Joey Bosa...not signed, which side do you fall?

[cdumler7]

Seriously. The Chargers have made this guy look really smart.

WEll I will say they did try to hardball Rivers when they were trying to get a deal done with him so yeah definitely looking a little smarter every day this saga continues that they were right for staying away from the Chargers.

 

[purguy12]

Why is he a bad agent? Because he's trying to get Bosa the same treatment that all other top 5 picks got since 2011?

No because he got one of the best contracts and they are declining it. Only Wentz has a better deal.

 

[SonnyCID]

nope you're wrong...he lost a year of earnings and that can never be recovered

The only way that you will be right would be if he were to only receive 9/3 by whoever drafts him next year. That won't happen.

 

[SonnyCID]

Pretty easy to say when it is someone else's money. I realize that the Chargers take a lot of the blame on this one - just saying that it makes sense for him to sign soon & again he will be one year further away from his big $$ contract. If he reports & plays well this season he can make up a lot of that money now off the field. My pt is that you just can't state that his position should be to sit out the whole season. After all - he is a football player who I would assume wants to actually play football.

Not everyone looks at football careers as desperate-short term investments. I sure wouldn't if it were my son.

 

[The Q]

No because he got one of the best contracts and they are declining it. Only Wentz has a better deal.

It would be a better deal if it didn't have offset.

But it does. So nope. Doesn't fly.

 

[Calm]

No because he got one of the best contracts and they are declining it. Only Wentz has a better deal.

You keep saying this...and people keep telling you it is false.

 

[Broncos6482]

No because he got one of the best contracts and they are declining it. Only Wentz has a better deal.

That's not true. Read the Florio article I posted, and stop believing the Chargers biased nonsense.

 

[cdumler7]

The only way that you will be right would be if he were to only receive 9/3 by whoever drafts him next year. That won't happen.

Well a question we have to ask is how much does he fall in the draft if say he misses this entire year? I doubt he is a top-5 pick next year with them thinking this could be a good QB group coming up and some other highly thought of defensive players. You throw in no team can look at him until like the day before the draft because the Chargers have his rights. So they won't know the type of shape he is in after sitting out an entire season. My guess is he is still a 1st round pick but late teens type draft pick. That is a huge difference salary wise for the first part of his career. You throw in then also the risk that his contract runs out from his rookie deal the exact year the CBA runs out and right now players are being told to save up money as they are expecting to miss games. So that would mean he doesn't have that 2nd deal in hand and could not only miss a year this year but then another year with a holdout really shortening his prime years that would be a part of the deal.

 

[PDay8810]

The only way that you will be right would be if he were to only receive 3/9 by whoever drafts him next year. That won't happen.

you do understand the difference between 17M and zero for the 2016/17 season....right?

not trying to be a smart ass but he's leaving a whole lotta cash on the table to prove a point. A rookie has zero leverage. I think Bosa was very lucky to be the first non QB off the board, SD was stupid for making the pick in the first place, but Bosa is outta his mind

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Not everyone looks at football careers as desperate-short term investments. I sure wouldn't if it were my son.

Thanks Mr. Principle. It is not just about making short term $$. It is about playing football, getting some type of guarantee for the future & getting closer to his big money payout. You act as if his only choice is to sit out the year and I don't agree.

 

[SonnyCID]

Well a question we have to ask is how much does he fall in the draft if say he misses this entire year? I doubt he is a top-5 pick next year with them thinking this could be a good QB group coming up and some other highly thought of defensive players. You throw in no team can look at him until like the day before the draft because the Chargers have his rights. So they won't know the type of shape he is in after sitting out an entire season. My guess is he is still a 1st round pick but late teens type draft pick. That is a huge difference salary wise for the first part of his career. You throw in then also the risk that his contract runs out from his rookie deal the exact year the CBA runs out and right now players are being told to save up money as they are expecting to miss games. So that would mean he doesn't have that 2nd deal in hand and could not only miss a year this year but then another year with a holdout really shortening his prime years that would be a part of the deal.

I think he would go between 8 and 14. Unique and versatile skillset. So many pass rushers are 3rd down specialists nowadays., and you have a guy who can play every down on a cheap deal? I can't underestimate that.

 

[SonnyCID]

you do understand the difference between 17M and zero for the 2016/17 season....right?

not trying to be a smart ass but he's leaving a whole lotta cash on the table to prove a point. A rookie has zero leverage. I think Bosa was very lucky to be the first non QB off the board, SD was stupid for making the pick in the first place, but Bosa is outta his mind

Like I said.... If he gets 9/3 next year if this reaches that point, you'll be right. Otherwise, he won't lose every penny of that 17m.

 

[purguy12]

This is a really nice breakdown by Florio, and it addresses that Bosa actually has moved his stance and is trying to compromise, the Chargers just don't think he's moved enough.

Bosa has moved on deferral issue, but not enough for the Chargers

Ok I took your advice and read the artice. My breakdown:
Point 1: Yes maybe other are paid by now but overall the signing bonus is still paid out and its still more then most players. Like I said getting 14 mill now and 3 mill in a couple months is not bad and the oveall outcome is still him getting paid more then most.
Point 2: Again misleading info because the out come is still Bosa making more. Yes their is an offset but most contacts have it and the 1 contract he mention is the #1 pick in the draft. so again overall outcome He is making the 2nd most money.
Point 3: This point agree with Florio. Him getting the most is because this is the highest pick for the chargers since the new CBA.

So after reading this article Im still on SD side. Bosa just go and play football and feel lucky that u are in the NFL. U are still one of the highest paid players in this class.

 

[cdumler7]

I think he would go between 8 and 14. Unique and versatile skillset. So many pass rushers are 3rd down specialists nowadays., and you have a guy who can play every down on a cheap deal? I can't underestimate that.

Ok well even that. I'll take the deal right before him that was 4-years/$26.6 million for Wentz and then we will go to say pick #10 with Eli Apple in 4-years/$15.1 million deal. So we are still talking at least $10 million lost over that 4-year period that he cannot make up. That is if he only falls 7 draft spots next year. IF he falls in the area I would expect him to go we are talking at least $15 million over the 4-year span.

 

[purguy12]

It would be a better deal if it didn't have offset.

But it does. So nope. Doesn't fly.

It does fly. Offset means nothing he is still getting the money. Even if he was some how cut before the next payment he would still get it. that is why most contracts have offsets. Now if the offset said it was guaranteed then I would agree with you. I havent seen anything that said it wasnt. Its still 100% guaranteed its just split 85% now and 15% later.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

That's not necessarily true. Yes, he would receive 17m this year, but it would be prorated over the length of the contract, so only a portion would count for this missed year. So, if he was to re enter the draft next year, he'd likely be drafted in the top half of the first round. while he would get a smaller contract, if he would be drafted by a team that actually wants him, his back end value could be higher. A football career is a long term investment, and going to the wrong team in favor of money now can kill that investment, we see that a lot with top draft picks going to shitty teams that aren't good fits, but pick the player anyways because they don't deviate from board value.

It's prorated for cap purposes...the player would have the $17mil between now and March '17.

I don't see how he ever recoups all $17 mil sitting out the season.

If he re-enters the draft next yr and goes 10th...he's losing about $9mil...obvious the lower he goes he'd lose more money, if he stays in the top 10, he loses less.

I wouldn't expect him to go any higher than 10 next yr but I wouldn't be surprised if he went much lower..say late teens early 20s.

 

[purguy12]

Well a question we have to ask is how much does he fall in the draft if say he misses this entire year? I doubt he is a top-5 pick next year with them thinking this could be a good QB group coming up and some other highly thought of defensive players. You throw in no team can look at him until like the day before the draft because the Chargers have his rights. So they won't know the type of shape he is in after sitting out an entire season. My guess is he is still a 1st round pick but late teens type draft pick. That is a huge difference salary wise for the first part of his career. You throw in then also the risk that his contract runs out from his rookie deal the exact year the CBA runs out and right now players are being told to save up money as they are expecting to miss games. So that would mean he doesn't have that 2nd deal in hand and could not only miss a year this year but then another year with a holdout really shortening his prime years that would be a part of the deal.

This is why his agent and Bosa arent thinking and worried about 3 mill that he will get no matter what. Makes no sense on Bosa's side. Take the deal and go play football. The only reason to sit out if he didnt care about the money and just didnt want to play for SD.

 

[SonnyCID]

Thanks Mr. Principle. It is not just about making short term $$. It is about playing football, getting some type of guarantee for the future & getting closer to his big money payout. You act as if his only choice is to sit out the year and I don't agree.

Am I acting like that? Or am I just saying I understand the logic? I hope they work it out. But all is not lost if SD doesn't strong arm him in to a negatively unprecedented deal. That's just the way that panicky and desperate people feel when looking at the situation.

 

[Calm]

Ok I took your advice and read the artice. My breakdown:
Point 1: Yes maybe other are paid by now but overall the signing bonus is still paid out and its still more then most players. Like I said getting 14 mill now and 3 mill in a couple months is not bad and the oveall outcome is still him getting paid more then most.
Point 2: Again misleading info because the out come is still Bosa making more. Yes their is an offset but most contacts have it and the 1 contract he mention is the #1 pick in the draft. so again overall outcome He is making the 2nd most money.
Point 3: This point agree with Florio. Him getting the most is because this is the highest pick for the chargers since the new CBA.

So after reading this article Im still on SD side. Bosa just go and play football and feel lucky that u are in the NFL. U are still one of the highest paid players in this class.

Point 1: He was the #3 pick in the most recent draft. OF COURSE the signing bonus is going to be more than "most" players! That's a no-brainer and says absolutely nothing about the strength of SD's offer.

 

[purguy12]

You keep saying this...and people keep telling you it is false.

Its not false. Read the language in the Deal. its one of the best deals its just a delay in the payment. 17 mill guaranteed. no matter what way you put it.