JETER should NOT be 1st ballot

[navamind]

who the hell cares if Jeter was a power hitter or not? shortstops historically aren't. And his BA, OBP and stolen bases more than make up for that.

Should Wade Boggs' lack of power be held against him? He was a career .328 hitter with a .415 OBP and 131 OPS+ and led his league in OBP six times (5 years in a row) and OPS+ once. Keith Hernandez and John Olerud were great 1st basemen despite posting pedestrian power numbers.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

I wouldn't put BigBen on duh Steelers Mount Rushmore. I'm biased though. Here would be my 4 for Pittsburgh.

Rashard Mendenhall, Tim Worley, Mark Malone, Bam Morris. Am I right @FaCe-LeE-uS?

Add Neil O'Donnell & Limas Sweed.

 

[Wamu]

Add Neil O'Donnell & Limas Sweed.

Is there anyway you could hook me up w/ an autographed Mark Malone jersey?

 

[navamind]

Luke Appling's another shortstop that hit for little power (.399 SLG%, career .088 ISO, 45 home runs; granted he played in the 1930s/1940s when shortstops probably hit for even less power), but he was also a .310 hitter with a .399 OBP and 113 OPS+ over 10254 PA.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

1st ballot vs not 1st ballot has to be an all time stupidly pointless argument. You're either a HOF'er or you're not.

 

[richig07]

Not even the best singles hitter of all time.

Look, he belongs in the Hall, and that's all that matters.

But he's not the legend that Yankee knob slobbers want us to believe.

Yeah, he is. 3,500 hits, 5 GG's, captaining a team to 5 World Series, while becoming the all-time post-season hits leader and making the insane defensive contributions in those post-seasons to boot. You're a god damn legend of epic proportions. Not being a singles hitter like Gwynn, Rose or Cobb is really aside from the point. That's not the argument anyone is making. It's his sheer consistency and post-season success which is paralleled by only a small handful of players throughout history that makes him a legend.

 

[Wamu]

Yeah, he is. 3,500 hits, 5 GG's, captaining a team to 5 World Series, while becoming the all-time post-season hits leader and making the insane defensive contributions in those post-seasons to boot. You're a god damn legend of epic proportions. Not being a singles hitter like Gwynn, Rose or Cobb is really aside from the point. That's not the argument anyone is making. It's his sheer consistency and post-season success which is paralleled by only a small handful of players throughout history that makes him a legend.

That doesn't seem right. Jeter was named Captain of the Yankees as a rookie?

 

[Carnzo]

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

My man

 

[richig07]

That doesn't seem right. Jeter was named Captain of the Yankees as a rookie?

I think you get the point... and that is has been made in a salient fashion. Technically a captain or not. Jeter was the heart and soul of the team.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Yeah, he is. 3,500 hits, 5 GG's, captaining a team to 5 World Series, while becoming the all-time post-season hits leader and making the insane defensive contributions in those post-seasons to boot. You're a god damn legend of epic proportions. Not being a singles hitter like Gwynn, Rose or Cobb is really aside from the point. That's not the argument anyone is making. It's his sheer consistency and post-season success which is paralleled by only a small handful of players throughout history that makes him a legend.

"Postseason success".

The guy had more chances than anyone in history by a long shot.

He's almost 200 PAs ahead of the next player on the list.

He's in the top 10 in any one postseason for the following categories:

Singles.

Fin.

 

[The Derski]

struck out like a power hitter
slapped singles like a bitch

Don’t forget about the backhanded shuffle to the plate in 2001.

And that one dive into the stands some other year.

 

[Guy Incognito]

And that one dive into the stands some other year.

Caught a fair ball and wound up in the stands because he had to cheat up the middle, since he sucked going to his left.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

"Postseason success".

The guy had more chances than anyone in history by a long shot.

He's almost 200 PAs ahead of the next player on the list.

He's in the top 10 in any one postseason for the following categories:

Singles.

Fin.

Stupid to ignore his role in getting the Yankees to the postseason

 

[Rock Strongo]

who the hell cares if Jeter was a power hitter or not? shortstops historically aren't. And his BA, OBP and stolen bases more than make up for that.

Should Wade Boggs' lack of power be held against him? He was a career .328 hitter with a .415 OBP and 131 OPS+ and led his league in OBP six times (5 years in a row) and OPS+ once. Keith Hernandez and John Olerud were great 1st basemen despite posting pedestrian power numbers.

its not power

youre missing the point

i clarified further. jeter led in like 2 categories his entire career. the other guys mentioned...not so much. jeters only hook was a slap single, barking at his pitchers, and a jump throw.

 

[Wamu]

I think you get the point... and that is has been made in a salient fashion. Technically a captain or not. Jeter was the heart and soul of the team.

There's no question Jeter was the heart & soul of the Yankees for the majority of his career. But not right when they drafted him. He was captain from 2003-2014. You said this in comment # 106: captaining a team to 5 World Series. Which is incorrect.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

Are you kidding me? He was hands down the best player on the Yankees when he was playing. He was consistent at the plate always good for a base hit. And I don’t think anyone could play the field better then him. Your just use to today’s Yankees who live and die with the long ball

Wow. You could make an argument he was the best on his team in 1998, 1999, 2006, and 2009. And best fielder on his team? Talk about misinformed.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

Maybe you, but the Jeets gobblers I run into are convinced he's the greatest shortstop EVAR.

I've heard a Yankees fan claim he was the best hitting shortstop ever and the only debate was whether he also was the best fielding shortstop ever.

 

[Cyder]

A-Rod: .259/.365/.457, .822

.295/.409/.571 in ALCS
.250/.423/.550 in WS

but somehow he's the choker

That's because A Rod's playoff numbers with the Yanks were basically all in 2009. In the 11 or 12 playoff games he played with the Yanks before that he had exactly one RBI. When you're supposedly the best player in the sport that ain't gonna fly.

 

[Cyder]

That's because A Rod's playoff numbers with the Yanks were basically all in 2009. In the 11 or 12 playoff games he played with the Yanks before that he had exactly one RBI. When you're supposedly the best player in the sport that ain't gonna fly.

This is why A Rod got the choker rep in the playoffs with the Yanks
2004 - Last 4 games against the Sox he did nothing. He wasn't alone but he was touted as one of the top 2 or 3 players in the game. He was 2 for 17 with 2 RBI's.

2005 - 5 games, batted .133 with 5 K's in 15 at bats. 1 RBI

2006 -4 Games, batted .071, no RBI's

2007 - 4 Games, batted .267, 0 RBI's and struck out 6 times in 15 at bats.

17 games, 3 RBI's for the highest paid player in the game. That's some serious choking.