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[Stymietee]

No way he got 81 mil votes , more votes then Obama ? Nope

Well he did, people hated the tyrant in waiting and voted against him. BTW: where's the evidence that he didn't get 81M votes? How is it that you can believe that the Lil dick-tator got 73.6M and Biden couldn't top that?

 

[Stymietee]

Semantics. Whenever the player is at work, they represent the team.

The players are free to quit. Seek employment elsewhere…just like every other job in America. The problem with some people is they treat athletes like they are better than anybody else…truth is, most athletes would be lucky to have a job without sports.

Here's a surprise for you... ready?... people don't lose their individuality, status, rights, or anything else, because they go to work. They have no compulsion to represent anyone or anything other than themselves on or off of the job. They are there to do an effective job and nothing else is required. I don't know where you've taken hold of the notion that they represent the business, but you really need to rethink this lord and master routine. Here's a start... Players are under contract to work for a team, your contention is one that states: "Whenever the player is at work, they represent the team." Welp, aren't they still employees of the team whether at the job site or not? The same thing applies to everyone who works for someone else. Don't believe me? then you test yourself. All you have to do is pick any time day or night, preferably when none of these people are on the job, then pick a team, any team, and list the players employed by them. If you can, then your whole statement falls apart. If you can't then the contracts signed are a figment of everyone's imagination.

You are correct, players are free to quit (unless they are under contract) in order to seek employment elsewhere. Owners are free to sell their teams and find something else to do as well. The real problem with a whole lot of people is their myopic view of business and people with money. They look with great envy at people with money and imagine themselves, one day, in the same position. Truth is, few will ever be more than the average Joe/Josephine for the entirety of their lives and aren't comfortable with being the best average Joe/Josephine that they can be with what they have. I spoke to you about this some time ago when I talked about the United States, non-traditional, uniquely western made caste system.

 

[gkekoa]

Actually, I gave you the definition, just because you don't like the definition and how it's applied doesn't mean that you can change it.

Yeah as presidential elections go, 2020 was about as fair as they come, no matter what some bullshit artist drums up!

Did Biden win? Yep, that's a fact.
Did treasonous lose? Yep, that's a fact.
Was the election fair? Yep, that's a fact.
Was it accurate? Yes, that's a fact.

What else ya got?

All I have are facts…

just keep lying.

 

[gkekoa]

Yeah, I noted that in my previous response, but I also pointed out what far too many others do as well.

In big businesses such as the NFL, owners own, but what you're failing to realize is... it takes a whole lot of people who are not owners to run and keep that business afloat. Owners didn't build the business alone and it's impossible to keep it going without the aid and assistance of many. People often make blanket statements that sound good on the surface, but honest, thinking, considered men and women know better than to look at the surface. Let me give you an example.

Actually, this is true of almost all businesses. It can take a few to a whole lot of people to run a business. But the business is still the owners. He hires people to run the business. The owner takes all the financial risk associated with the business.

That is the beautiful thing about capitalism…people enter into contracts by choice.

People such as yourself make blanket statements without regard to intellectual property because you think the workers are getting screwed, even when they are getting paid the agreed compensation.

You wrote: "So the owner should not be able to control the business he has taken all the risk to start or continue?"

At face value that seems logical or at worse a non-starter in terms of debate, but allow for this and your question becomes moot. So, I ask you, which of these owners started or really took any risk to continue owning their franchises? (green Bay excepted)

Arizona Cardinals: Bill Bidwill (inherited it from his father)​

Atlanta Falcons: Arthur Blank (bought the team for $545 million 2002)​

Baltimore Ravens: Stephen Bisciotti (Acquired $325 million deal with Art Modell in 2004.)​

Buffalo Bills: Terry Pegula (bought the Bills for $1.4 billion 2014)​

Chicago Bears: Virginia Halas McCaskey (Inherited it from dear ole' dad 1983)​

Cincinnati Bengals: Mike Brown (Inherited it from dear ole' dad 1991)​

Cleveland Browns: Jimmy Haslam (bought from Randy Lerner for $1 billion 2012)​

Dallas Cowboys: Jerry Jones (bought them in 1989 for $140 million)​

Denver Broncos: Pat Bowlen, now deceased, (family purchased the team from Edgar Kaiser for $70 Million,1984)​

Detroit Lions: Martha Ford, (Inherited team from late husband William Clay Ford, Sr. 2014)​

Green Bay Packers: Green Bay Packers, Inc. (An exception and only socialist NFL team was formed in 1923)​

Houston Texans: Janice McNair, (Inherited it from her late husband Robert McNair 2018)​

Indianapolis Colts: Jim Irsay, (1972 he bought the Los Angeles Rams for $19 million and traded teams with Carroll Rosenbloom for the Baltimore Colts.)​

Jacksonville Jaguars: Shahid Khan, (Bought for $770 Million 2011)​

Kansas City Chiefs: Clark Hunt, (Inherited it from dear ole' dad Lamar in 2006)​

Los Angeles Chargers: Dean Spanos, (Inherited it from dear ole' dad 2018)​

Los Angeles Rams: Stan Kroenke, (bought the team for $750 Million in 2010)​

Miami Dolphins: Stephen M. Ross, (On January 20, 2009 Stephen Ross bought out Wayne Huizenga)​

Minnesota Vikings: Zygi Wilf, (Wilf and his partners bought the Vikings in 2005 for $600 million)​

New England Patriots: Robert Kraft, (bought the Patriots for $172 million in 1995)​

New Orleans Saints: Gayle Benson, (Inherited it from her late Husband Tom)​

New York Giants: John Mara and Steve Tisch, ( Both inherited their share, Tish November 2005, Mara, Oct 2005)​

New York Jets: Robert Wood Johnson IV, (bought the Jets in 2000 for $635 million.)​

Oakland Raiders: Mark and Carol Davis, (Inherited it from dear ole' dad and late husband AL 2011)​

Philadelphia Eagles: Jeffrey Lurie, (bought the Eagles in 1994 for $195 million)​

Pittsburgh Steelers: Rooney Family, ( Inherited after the death of Dan April 2017)​

San Francisco 49ers: Jed York, ( Inherited from the DeBartolo family, He's their nephew)​

Seattle Seahawks: The Paul G. Allen Trust, (Created after his death in 2018)​

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Glazer Family, (bought the Bucs for $192 million in 1995)​

Tennessee Titans: Amy Adams Strunk (Half owner and controlling partner inherited from dear ole' dad)​

Washington Commanders: Dan Snyder (In May 1999, Snyder bought the team for $800 million)​

You wasted a lot of time because I purposely put or continue for this reason.

These people still risked their money…it is called investment. If the business tanks, they lose hundreds of millions to billions. People like CK can cost the business money. I stopped watching football last season. I got sick of the politics. There are thousands more like me and the number is growing.

 

[gkekoa]

Here's a surprise for you... ready?... people don't lose their individuality, status, rights, or anything else, because they go to work. They have no compulsion to represent anyone or anything other than themselves on or off of the job. They are there to do an effective job and nothing else is required. I don't know where you've taken hold of the notion that they represent the business, but you really need to rethink this lord and master routine. Here's a start... Players are under contract to work for a team, your contention is one that states: "Whenever the player is at work, they represent the team." Welp, aren't they still employees of the team whether at the job site or not? The same thing applies to everyone who works for someone else. Don't believe me? then you test yourself. All you have to do is pick any time day or night, preferably when none of these people are on the job, then pick a team, any team, and list the players employed by them. If you can, then your whole statement falls apart. If you can't then the contracts signed are a figment of everyone's imagination.

You are correct, players are free to quit (unless they are under contract) in order to seek employment elsewhere. Owners are free to sell their teams and find something else to do as well. The real problem with a whole lot of people is their myopic view of business and people with money. They look with great envy at people with money and imagine themselves, one day, in the same position. Truth is, few will ever be more than the average Joe/Josephine for the entirety of their lives and aren't comfortable with being the best average Joe/Josephine that they can be with what they have. I spoke to you about this some time ago when I talked about the United States, non-traditional, uniquely western made caste system.

Where did I say a person loses their rights? If you are wearing the uniform or are acting in an official capacity of the company, you are representing the company. Can you tell your boss to fuck off and not expect to get fired?

So the players are not free to quit under contract? Interesting because that is bullshit.

As for the caste system, why don’t people just get the fuck out and go try the continued failures that are socialism and communism elsewhere. I will buy your damn ticket.

 

[chillerdab]

No way he got 81 mil votes , more votes then Obama ? Nope

He got probably even more than that because more people are fundamentally good then ignorant in this country, and the majority of the people dont want to elect racist half-wit narcissists who only work to promote their own self interests.

Gore got more votes than Dubya
Hillary got more votes than Drumpf
Biden got more votes than Drumpf

Facts.

 

[gkekoa]

He got probably even more than that because more people are fundamentally good then ignorant in this country, and the majority of the people dont want to elect racist half-wit narcissists who only work to promote their own self interests.

Gore got more votes than Dubya
Hillary got more votes than Drumpf
Biden got more votes than Drumpf

Facts.

Did you watch 2000 Mules?

I suggest you do.


I am so happy you got what you wanted and got Trump out of office. How is inflation treating you? How is no longer being the most marginalized treating you? How are housing costs treating you? How is crime treating you?

But Damn those tweets.

 

[Rowdy]

Did you watch 2000 Mules?

I suggest you do.


I am so happy you got what you wanted and got Trump out of office. How is inflation treating you? How is no longer being the most marginalized treating you? How are housing costs treating you? How is crime treating you?

But Damn those tweets.

He knows he should be ashamed of himself for voting the most embarrassing, incompetent administration of our lifetime. He’s pretty tough though, he can call us names while behind the keyboard

 

[chillerdab]

If you knew anything at all about inflation, you would know that the president has very little impact on the rate of inflation in an economically interdependent world.

while I know those last three words are probably too difficult for mwab to understand, I would expect you to understand that, gekoka.

And no, I did not watch dines disouza’s latest garbage. Why would I? He’s a liar and a criminal.

 

[chillerdab]

Also: Not thrilled about inflation, or the costs of housing supplies. I have no idea what you mean by not being the most margainized.

I’m not worried about crime, because I don’t look for and find enemies, nor do I live in fear like your everyday run of the mill republican.

Thanks for asking. It’s always important for the fearful among us to hear from Americans who are more accepting, peaceful, and hopeful then they are.

 

[skinsdad62]

policies do matter and when your policies hurt supply then they do matter. when your policies do not encourage domestic production it has influence .

when regulations strangle getting ships loaded and off loaded such as say physicals for truck drivers and mandatory shots well you lose that .

the simple rise in gas makes everything cost more followed by printing worthless money hence last quarter our economy shrunk

 

[duke1861]

Did you watch 2000 Mules?

I suggest you do.


I am so happy you got what you wanted and got Trump out of office. How is inflation treating you? How is no longer being the most marginalized treating you? How are housing costs treating you? How is crime treating you?

But Damn those tweets.

Biden should literally copy what Reagan did to beat inflation. I don't think he will though.

 

[skinsdad62]

Hey, Let's overthrow the government without any firearms against the most powerful military in the world wearing nothing but mask disguises, uniform 'Patriot Front' T-shirts & carrying nothing but pocket Constitutions."

"Sure,Let's threaten America!"

 

[chillerdab]

Hey, Let's overthrow the government without any firearms against the most powerful military in the world wearing nothing but mask disguises, uniform 'Patriot Front' T-shirts & carrying nothing but pocket Constitutions."

"Sure,Let's threaten America!"

You probably think you have all the information about this incident collected by your incredible research skills too, right skinsdad?

 

[gkekoa]

If you knew anything at all about inflation, you would know that the president has very little impact on the rate of inflation in an economically interdependent world.

while I know those last three words are probably too difficult for mwab to understand, I would expect you to understand that, gekoka.

And no, I did not watch dines disouza’s latest garbage. Why would I? He’s a liar and a criminal.

Actually, administrations can have a huge effect on inflation because of the policies.

Gas is up because democrats destroyed US oil and there is no trust to operate there. As gas goes up, everything goes up. From there, regulations increase costs of production, just look at food. Policies that disincentivize work will cause the dollar to decrease because of debt.

And there is the problem. You stick your fingers in your ears because you do not like a person because the liberal media says so. Maybe you should actually listen to those you assume you disagree with…tolerance is a word you would like to use. Or how about diversity…because the only diversity that matters is diversity of thought…not race, not sexuality, not gender…just thought.

 

[chillerdab]

Ohh please.

“Tolerance” Is only applicable when somebody’s ideas, or opinions, or policies, or laws, dont infringe on or hurt the rights of others.

Nobody needs to be tolerant of laws that target any specific subset of population just because cowards hide behind “religious beliefs” whenever they feel uncomfortable.

Tolerance is not a free pass for discrimination.

Factually speaking, the economic and social ideas offered by the right have widened economic inrquality, promoted hate, promoted violence, promoted a mistrust in fundamental pillars of Democracy, and have led to a nation that is dumb enough to elect a dispicable
Human being by ALL accounts in Drumpf to continue to segregate, sew fear and hatred, and division.

 

[skinsdad62]

You probably think you have all the information about this incident collected by your incredible research skills too, right skinsdad?

i posted them , but you feel that your govt run propaganda machines you call the MSM is reliable then be my guest . you already have proven you dont want to know the truth . i hate watching the MSM but i do . i sat through so many michael moore BS videos just to see what he had and yet when you are presented the same opportunity you bury your head in the sand which tells me you are either scared or a part of it

 

[chillerdab]

i posted them , but you feel that your govt run propaganda machines you call the MSM is reliable then be my guest . you already have proven you dont want to know the truth . i hate watching the MSM but i do . i sat through so many michael moore BS videos just to see what he had and yet when you are presented the same opportunity you bury your head in the sand which tells me you are either scared or a part of it

“You’re a part of it,” absolutely, positively does NOT sound paranoid.

It’s this type of diversity of thought that should DEFINITELY be tolerated, right gkeoka?

Skinsdad: how much time on a daily basis, would you say, do you devote to research of any kind - sources that you agree with and “oppositional” resource? Just curious.

For example, maybe you define “research” as “angrily yelling at the tv,” as you flip channels bewteen OAN and MSNBC?

You watched some Michael Moore videos did you? Good for you. Probably learned something from them too.

 

[chillerdab]

i posted them , but you feel that your govt run propaganda machines you call the MSM is reliable then be my guest . you already have proven you dont want to know the truth . i hate watching the MSM but i do . i sat through so many michael moore BS videos just to see what he had and yet when you are presented the same opportunity you bury your head in the sand which tells me you are either scared or a part of it

“I know the truth”
“You dont want to know the truth”
“Only I know!”

Totally sane, rational mindsets.

 

[skinsdad62]

“You’re a part of it,” absolutely, positively does NOT sound paranoid.

It’s this type of diversity of thought that should DEFINITELY be tolerated, right gkeoka?

Skinsdad: how much time on a daily basis, would you say, do you devote to research of any kind - sources that you agree with and “oppositional” resource? Just curious.

For example, maybe you define “research” as “angrily yelling at the tv,” as you flip channels bewteen OAN and MSNBC?

You watched some Michael Moore videos did you? Good for you. Probably learned something from them too.

Yes I did