Its time for Chicago to pull the plug

[Moab]

Great post!

You were right earlier also. Chicago AM radio was a lot of fun to listen to tonight.

I haven’t done the proper research to say for certain, but I’m somewhat confident that Mahomes and Peyton Manning are the only Top Ten picks this century, to win a SB as the starting QB with the team that drafted them.

And we have to go back to Aikman to get to the third one. (Big Ben was 11, Eli and Elway were traded for). Not really sure how far we have to go to get to 4. Maybe Bradshaw? Maybe I’m forgetting somebody, idk.

It’s not the path to success that’s it’s treated as by GMs.

Flacco and Eli come to mind. Eli was traded for, but he wouldn't play for San Diego.

I think the reality of "giving up the farm" to get your guy is a very bad idea. Take a look on here and people are killing Trey Lance, I bagged on Chicago for the Trubisky deal and I didn't really pay that much attention to the other teams outside the NFC North that did the same thing, but I think giving up that other capital is usually the killer cost that most people dismiss. I'll also admit that I wasn't happy that the Packers moved up to draft Love, I didn't like giving up the capital because the draft is too much of a crap shot to give up your chances with the dice. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the statistics will back me up. Giving up that additional capital is a killer to your team over time.

I'm listening to 670 the score now and so far they're kind of sane, but it's early as he's on for 6 more hours. Too bad I have to work in 10 1/2 hours.

Haha...Bears have lost 12 in a row and have given up at least 25 in all of them. They just stated that on the radio and that kind of solidifies my thoughts about giving up the draft picks...especially those in rounds 1 thru 3.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Yeah its not that hard to understand

The syatem on Chicago is based on short, quick passes

The OL isn't supposed to block for 4 seconds. They're supposed to chop, get the DL hands down and the ball is supposed to be out

Fields isn't doing that a LOT. So yeah he's getting sacked because of shit HE is doing


Last week he became only the 3rd QB in the last 10 years to average more than 3.2 seconds before throwing the ball AND to average less than 5 YPA. He's just too slow on his progressions. Wayyyyy too slow. And he simply refuses to take the easy pass because he's loiking to make the highlight play

The other 2 to do that are Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold. Which right now are the best available comps for Fields

you run a system like that if you have the personnel for it. Your team sucks balls at downfield blocking but you design your entire offense around it?

roll the pocket and make it a one or two read play. 3 if you count him running. Just like Roman constantly did with Lamar. He's not ever going to be a guy that sees the whole field well.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Fields was 4 for 4 for 46 yards on PA last week. He had 6 screen plays lol. This week they barely ran the ball but their running backs were 11 for 66 (granted Johnson had 28 on one play) but Hebert had 35 on 7 and his long was 8.

Fields is undoubtedly sucking but again...this offense is not at all built to Fields strengths. In a 13 to 10 game where your defense is getting shredded by Baker Mayfield you choose to not utilize your uber athletic qb in any way shape or form.

 

[Moab]

So I decided to have some fun and wasn't a jerk and called in twice. Both times before we actually got into a decent conversation they hung up on me. My second call was to state that yes, I see they're down on Fields and understand why. He's started or played in 27 games, with a high passing yards of 291. At this point, 27 games, he should see the field and know what to do with the ball. At that point he hung up...wtf...I wasn't trolling, I wanted to know what he thought. 670 the score... 312-644-6767. Gabe Ramirez. He's done with Fields, so I keep feeding him with crap.

Since he hung up on me, I'm probably going to torture him until Dec or so

 

[ericd7633]

Depends on the return and who do you have to replace Fields? But the point is the people who drafted him knew he would be a project so you can’t just give up on him in 2 years. They slinged him into action for 2 years with no OL. He hasn’t look good so far this year but a lot of factors. If they do trade him, they don’t have a QB unless they plan on drafting a rookie and then starting over again.

The GM and coach who took him aren't there anymore though. If the Bears are bad(and it's looking like they will be), if you're in a position to take Williams or Maye you have to do it. You'll be going into year 4 with Fields with nothing to show for it. He's been awful so far this year, and that's been against mediocre competition. They could be looking at a 2-7 or 1-8 start. You can't go into year 4 if he continues this way with Fields. I get his situation wasn't ideal the first two years, but he needs to be better.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Not saying he’s Josh Allen. I’m just using Josh Allen to say it may be too quick to be quitting on a QB. Allen’s 2nd full season as a starter he was 58.8% and 3,000 yards 20 TDs to 9 INTs. I don’t know that you can fully evaluate Fields until he’s protected. That OL for the Bears is poor.

 

[ericd7633]

Not saying he’s Josh Allen. I’m just using Josh Allen to say it may be too quick to be quitting on a QB. Allen’s 2nd full season as a starter he was 58.8% and 3,000 yards 20 TDs to 9 INTs. I don’t know that you can fully evaluate Fields until he’s protected. That OL for the Bears is poor.

I understand this notion. However, he has played two games now into year 3. In Allen's first two games of his year 3, he had over 800 yards of total offense, 7 TD's and 0 INT's on 70% completion. I think if Fields would have started that way this year, there wouldn't be these questions.

 

[PDay8810]

coaching plays a huge row here

HUGE

 

[Ojb81]

Great post!

You were right earlier also. Chicago AM radio was a lot of fun to listen to tonight.

I haven’t done the proper research to say for certain, but I’m somewhat confident that Mahomes and Peyton Manning are the only Top Ten picks this century, to win a SB as the starting QB with the team that drafted them.

And we have to go back to Aikman to get to the third one. (Big Ben was 11, Eli and Elway were traded for). Not really sure how far we have to go to get to 4. Maybe Bradshaw? Maybe I’m forgetting somebody, idk.

It’s not the path to success that’s it’s treated as by GMs.

Um...Tom Brady? Or are you saying "started as soon as he was drafted", because if so, then yes, I can see why Brady was omitted.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Two of the three QBs drafted ahead of Fields in ‘21 already lost their jobs.

Lance got dumped for a 4th. Wilson got his job back because ARodg is broken.

That QB draft class was lackluster but at least Wilson is still starting lol

 

[Shanemansj13]

coaching plays a huge row here

HUGE

It's a dealbreaker

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Not saying he’s Josh Allen. I’m just using Josh Allen to say it may be too quick to be quitting on a QB. Allen’s 2nd full season as a starter he was 58.8% and 3,000 yards 20 TDs to 9 INTs. I don’t know that you can fully evaluate Fields until he’s protected. That OL for the Bears is poor.

And again looking over video it's not just the OL its like half the time the guys just don't execute simple shit. Like Claypool on his screen blocks. if you're running screens 20 percent of the time you damn better block your man.

But even more egregious is only running the ball 11 times with your backs for.an average 6 a carry and running virtually zero play action and not a single designed run of any effect for Justin.

Justin off PA did well last year so you just basically scrap it?

The Colts are building their offense around AR. But his passing stats thus far are hardly anything amazing. But his impact is felt because the offense is tailored to him. The Bears are forcing a square peg in a round hole.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I understand this notion. However, he has played two games now into year 3. In Allen's first two games of his year 3, he had over 800 yards of total offense, 7 TD's and 0 INT's on 70% completion. I think if Fields would have started that way this year, there wouldn't be these questions.

Not everyone develops at the same rate. It could take another year OR he just isn't a starting QB in this league. All I know the Bears aren't doing him favors. Playcalling is bad and OL is bad. It seemed like he was doing everything he could to improve in the offseason so we will see. The bottomline is if coaching and playcalling is bad he will not improve. He still has issues with his read progression but that is hard to evaluate when he has DL in his face. I don't think this will end well.

 

[Moab]

He's played in at least 27 games at this point. What is a bit alarming is you're just not seeing improvement with reading the D or accuracy. At this point the Bears don't really have another choice other than to ride him out this year and see if he can work that out. If he can't, then they need to move on. That's another few years to make something work. No matter what they do, they should not trade away anything for more skill players, those lines are bad. I don't know if it's coaching, culture or both, but something needs to change there too.

 

[ericd7633]

Not everyone develops at the same rate. It could take another year OR he just isn't a starting QB in this league. All I know the Bears aren't doing him favors. Playcalling is bad and OL is bad. It seemed like he was doing everything he could to improve in the offseason so we will see. The bottomline is if coaching and playcalling is bad he will not improve. He still has issues with his read progression but that is hard to evaluate when he has DL in his face. I don't think this will end well.

How many guys were given a 4th year if they've done nothing in the first 3 years though? I don't think Getsy is a bad OC. Fields has missed a lot of plays, and that was just in the game yesterday. Also, given who's coming into the league, the Bears would be dumb to not take a QB in 2024 if he keeps playing like this.

 

[Shanemansj13]

How many guys were given a 4th year if they've done nothing in the first 3 years though? I don't think Getsy is a bad OC. Fields has missed a lot of plays, and that was just in the game yesterday. Also, given who's coming into the league, the Bears would be dumb to not take a QB in 2024 if he keeps playing like this.

They would need to see improvement in year 3, he can't keep on this pace. It depends who falls to him, if they think Maye is an upgrade then you take him but not without a plan and to upgrade OL. No point in taking a QB if you can't protect him.

 

[ericd7633]

They would need to see improvement in year 3, he can't keep on this pace. It depends who falls to him, if they think Maye is an upgrade then you take him but not without a plan and to upgrade OL. No point in taking a QB if you can't protect him.

They might be in a position to take Williams. But I think Maye is an overall better prospect, so I would take him and start over. And yes the Oline isn't great, but Fields hasn't gotten better at accuracy or getting rid of the ball on time. Outside of running the ball, Fields has shown little as a passer in his career.

 

[PDay8810]

They might be in a position to take Williams. But I think Maye is an overall better prospect, so I would take him and start over. And yes the Oline isn't great, but Fields hasn't gotten better at accuracy or getting rid of the ball on time. Outside of running the ball, Fields has shown little as a passer in his career.

tell the truth
is Fields your fantasy QB?

just seems unusual amount of. interest in Fields today.

i feel ya. I have Fields on one of my teams

 

[PDay8810]

They might be in a position to take Williams. But I think Maye is an overall better prospect, so I would take him and start over.

hot take here

 

[Moab]

The really good news is the Bears are currently on a 12 game losing streak....that's the longest in franchise history....so it can't all be Fields, can it?