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Is this the last of the Yankees?

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To the title.. it's never thr end of thr Yankees!! Don't you see what their doing financially?? For those who can't dee to come in out of the rain, the Yankees are merely sliding in beneath the luxury tax threshold next season, then after that, they'll be spending like horny sluts jammin money up the bitch ass. The Yankees are never finished.. NEVER
 

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Turning this into a Mets thread, if they sign Ellsbury or Choo and then go out and move one or more of their stockpile of arms for a power bat in right they'll be in good shape.

Ike Davis is a wildcard for the Mets. He hit 30+ HRs last year, slumped terribly at the beginning of this year but is starting to get it back. If he can get his act together it goes a long way.

Keep in mind they have roughly an $80 million payroll this year and look to bump that up to $100 million next season, plus they have $60 million coming off the books, the Mets will be spending this year. Mets, in theory, are in great shape.

Damn, and I thought I was digressing by mentioning Girardi?

Anyway, Stanton and Ellsbury. That's who I would like to see. And then I would pray to the gods of injury for mercy.
 

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It would probably be in their favor to hold off on free agency for a year or 2 anyway just so they can replenish their farm a bit.
 

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Ellsbury, CF
Legares, LF
Choo, RF
Wright, 3B
Flores, 1B
D'Arnaud, C
Murphy, 2B
Ryan, SS

Not enough power in that lineup. I agree they should take a shot with Ellsbury and get a solid leadoff hitter, but they don't need to spend the whole wad in one off-season.

They have trade chips in Ike Davis, Niese, and Murphy to varying degrees. Niese could bring a solid bat back. The Mets could go cheaper in bring in a guy like Mike Morse to play 1B, or even a Kendrys Morales.

One of the reasons the Sox turned it around this year is because Cherington used the money saved from A-Gone, Crawford, and Beckett and brought in Napoli, Victorino, Gomes, Dempster, Uehara, Ross, Hanrahan, and Drew. He had the flexibility to add Peavy. He went cheaper on shorter term deals because there are few studs in free agency anymore.

I wouldn't spend a ton in dollars or years on Choo. Not enough power; not enough speed.
Well, for starters, that's just for next year. I don't think this team is going to be ready by next year anyway, but they need pieces. They still need to develop and see what they have in guys like Flores and D'Arnaud.

Secondly, while they need power, I don't think guys like Morse or Morales are good choices either. They're too inconsistent. Flores could have the potential to be an even better hitter than those guys, so since it's a building year, I wouldn't mind giving him a full season, even if his defense is awful. He's also cheap, which the Wilpons love.

Finally, a guy like Choo is PERFECT for the Mets. They are going to be built around pitching. Their park suppresses power. In light of that, you need guys with gap power who get on base a lot. You need guys who get on base in front of Wright, and Choo is an OBP machine. He's also got perfectly acceptable speed. Where are you getting that from? He steals 20 bases a year. He's got good gap power, and is a good defensive RF.

And please... Ike Davis is no trade chip.
 

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Good post, but I don't know about the "manufactured rivalry" part. Where i'm from in Jersey, you grew up either a Mets or Yankees fan, no in-between. And when I speak to my old Jersey gang, nothing's changed.

It's always been part of the fun for me. :clap:
I understand the resentment the Mets have for the Yankees, being the red-headed stepchild in town. But I can't understand why Yankee fans should ever have issue with the Mets, and I grew up when the Yankees were the clear #2 team in town. Still they're in different leagues and are not competing with each other for anything but headlines. They're both the hometown team. The Subway Series is fun, but the "rivalry" component is manufactured to sell tickets and get headlines. The fans can not like each other, but that doesn't make the team rivals.
 

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Well, for starters, that's just for next year. I don't think this team is going to be ready by next year anyway, but they need pieces. They still need to develop and see what they have in guys like Flores and D'Arnaud.

Secondly, while they need power, I don't think guys like Morse or Morales are good choices either. They're too inconsistent. Flores could have the potential to be an even better hitter than those guys, so since it's a building year, I wouldn't mind giving him a full season, even if his defense is awful. He's also cheap, which the Wilpons love.

Finally, a guy like Choo is PERFECT for the Mets. They are going to be built around pitching. Their park suppresses power. In light of that, you need guys with gap power who get on base a lot. You need guys who get on base in front of Wright, and Choo is an OBP machine. He's also got perfectly acceptable speed. Where are you getting that from? He steals 20 bases a year. He's got good gap power, and is a good defensive RF.

And please... Ike Davis is no trade chip.

Not to mention Alderson was Billy Beane's mentor, he's a total moneyball guy so OBP is big to him.
 

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I understand the resentment the Mets have for the Yankees, being the red-headed stepchild in town. But I can't understand why Yankee fans should ever have issue with the Mets, and I grew up when the Yankees were the clear #2 team in town. Still they're in different leagues and are not competing with each other for anything but headlines. They're both the hometown team. The Subway Series is fun, but the "rivalry" component is manufactured to sell tickets and get headlines. The fans can not like each other, but that doesn't make the team rivals.

Yeah, I don't hate the Yankees. I don't mind when they lose so I don't have to hear it from their fans but I don't actively wish for bad things to happen to them. The Phillies and Braves however...
 

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Turning this into a Mets thread, if they sign Ellsbury or Choo and then go out and move one or more of their stockpile of arms for a power bat in right they'll be in good shape.

Ike Davis is a wildcard for the Mets. He hit 30+ HRs last year, slumped terribly at the beginning of this year but is starting to get it back. If he can get his act together it goes a long way.

Keep in mind they have roughly an $80 million payroll this year and look to bump that up to $100 million next season, plus they have $60 million coming off the books, the Mets will be spending this year. Mets, in theory, are in great shape.

I'm not buying Ike Davis for one second. He's obviously been better since returning from the minors, but he's doing it by being a very cautious hitter. He's simply not going up and flailing at everything. He's being more selective and not swinging at pitching out of the zone. That's good and valuable, but I'm not sure it's sustainable for him. He's also hitting for no power. His swing still has tremendous flaws that pitchers are going to exploit again.

And am I to actually believe the April-June swoon isn't going to be a continuing thing? One time, I get it, it's a fluke. But when the second time is even worse than the first time? If he could get his act together, he would have continued into 2013 the way he ended 2012. He didn't. This is always going to be in his head unless he significantly changes his swing, which I think he's too stubborn to do.
 

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Are the Yankees out of money?
Absolutely not. The Steinbrenner kids simply view the franchise as an investment rather than a competitive sports team. They value brand expansion and profit margins over victories and titles. Don't get me wrong, George LOVED all the money that came with owning the team, but he was at least smart enough to recognize that winning is the ultimate revenue generator. His sons want to just sit back and collect easy money, and partner with the Cowboys and own a soccer team and host bowl games. All easy money. But the Yankees are always going to be their primary revenue generator and it's going to bite them in the ass when they have an empty park and a TV network no one watches because the team is so bad.

I can't say I blame them for taking this approach. I'd probably take the risk-free money too. But as a fan, it burns me up.
 

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Damn, and I thought I was digressing by mentioning Girardi?

Anyway, Stanton and Ellsbury. That's who I would like to see. And then I would pray to the gods of injury for mercy.
Yeah, Stanton would obviously be a big wild card. If they can get him without emptying the farm too mcuh, he'd be priority #1.
 

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I understand the resentment the Mets have for the Yankees, being the red-headed stepchild in town. But I can't understand why Yankee fans should ever have issue with the Mets, and I grew up when the Yankees were the clear #2 team in town. Still they're in different leagues and are not competing with each other for anything but headlines. They're both the hometown team. The Subway Series is fun, but the "rivalry" component is manufactured to sell tickets and get headlines. The fans can not like each other, but that doesn't make the team rivals.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, as are we all. :suds:
 

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What you'll have thid year is a Yankee team who wins what 85-88 games maybe?? For those clubs (most of you) Do you not see that you are receiving but a brief rrpreive?? The Yankees will be right back to torturing your asses in a New York minute, so please, just puhleeeze!!
 

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Well, you're entitled to your opinion, as are we all. :suds:


Taking this a step further than it really needs to go, but don't you just love it when someone chimes in to tell you that your opinions are wrong? Not off base or short-sighted, but just wrong?

Ignorance knows no bounds sometimes......
 

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That said, I have to completely and utterly disagree. This team looks ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like the 2003-2004 teams. Those teams were built on walks, power and timely pitching.

I wasn't comparing the teams, but the attitude. This Sox team doesn't give up when the odds appear against them.

The 2004 team had Manny and Ortiz in the middle and Schill and Pedro fronting the rotation. Nobody would compare the two personell-wise.
 

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Well, you're entitled to your opinion, as are we all. :suds:
I know, I know. Especially when it comes to fandom. I just think the fans of the city should pull for the city's teams unless they're directly competing for something.
 

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What you'll have thid year is a Yankee team who wins what 85-88 games maybe?? For those clubs (most of you) Do you not see that you are receiving but a brief rrpreive?? The Yankees will be right back to torturing your asses in a New York minute, so please, just puhleeeze!!
On what planet are the Yankees winning 88 games this year? I figured they'd win 84-87 coming into the year BEFORE all the injuries. Now, they'll be extremely lucky to finish at .500. I'm thinking they're looking at about 76 wins.
 

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Taking this a step further than it really needs to go, but don't you just love it when someone chimes in to tell you that your opinions are wrong? Not off base or short-sighted, but just wrong?

Ignorance knows no bounds sometimes......

Well, I did call Harold Reynolds an idiot...

Does that count?
 

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What you'll have thid year is a Yankee team who wins what 85-88 games maybe?? For those clubs (most of you) Do you not see that you are receiving but a brief rrpreive?? The Yankees will be right back to torturing your asses in a New York minute, so please, just puhleeeze!!
Also, I think you need to look again. Between the absolute bleakness of their farm system and the fact the Steinbrenners are tightening the purse strings, and the albatross contracts currently biting them squarely in the ass, they're definitely in for a few lean years. They'll always spend, but I think they're hoping to spend more wisely in the future, and other teams' prime players aren't reaching free agency anymore. And, again, while the Yankees always spent big, they weren't these vultures looming over the small market teams like they were made out to be. That was always grossly exaggerated. I mean, how many free agent players did they really lure away from small market teams? Pavano? Sabathia? Giambi? That's about it by my count. And those guys all received fair market value. The rest of the players were either acquire through trades or signed away from other teams who were perfectly capable of re-signing the player themselves, and they spend a ton (and often overpaid) to re-sign their own players.
 

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Well, I did call Harold Reynolds an idiot...

Does that count?


Not at all. BIG difference. He is paid for his opinions, as he is held up as an expert in the field. All is fair on anyone fitting that bill. For us average Joes, we may have all very different opinions, with none being wrong to the person offering it.
 

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Not at all. BIG difference. He is paid for his opinions, as he is held up as an expert in the field. All is fair on anyone fitting that bill. For us average Joes, we may have all very different opinions, with none being wrong to the person offering it.

Good to know. Harold Reynolds is an idiot. A-Rod is a scumbag. The Wilpons are either thieves, morons or both.


Ah...I feel so much better. :nod:
 
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