Is this the face of the NBA?

[trojanfan12]

 

[trojanfan12]

I only apologize if I feel I did something wrong. Just because you don't feel it is right, doesn't make it wrong.

Interesting that you only apologize if YOU feel that you did something wrong. How the other person feels makes no difference to you. Then you want to know how you implied that someone was wrong for taking offense? In turnupland apparently something is only wrong or offensive if turnup feels it is wrong or offensive.

Me clarifying why I posted it is nothing more then just that. It is your choice to take it for what it's worth or to make it into what you feel it was. Either way, I never implied that anyone was wrong to be offended if they felt it was offensive. That's what you accused me of.

You absolutely did imply that it was the offended persons issue and not yours and that they chose to be offended. So, yes you did imply that people were wrong to be offended. You clarified nothing. You simply tried to deflect and defend what you posted and you even went so far as to blame whoever originally created the picture.

I think it's great that you try to be sensitive to all other posters. I dont personally know any other posters here, so I have no idea who will or might be offended by what. Now, since this has happened and a few of you took issue with it, I feel it would be inappropriate if I were to make some type of religious post towards you just to enrage you. That's the difference IMO.


Why do you need to know a poster personally in order to not post something potentially offensive? Why not avoid things that you know are potentially offensive such as an individuals religion or race? I have no idea what may or may not offend someone on here which is why I avoid posting on those topics in a way that could be offensive even if I personally don't find it offensive.

For instance, you can see that CL has huge issues with the picture. Nobody has ever tried to slander me or make it more personal then he has. Despite that, have I ever tried to use race or religion against him in an effort to piss him off? There are some lines I won't cross regardless if its internet or not. That alone should prove that my intention was exactly what I said it was.

Your issues with CL are your issues with CL and you have been every bit as guilty of continuing those issues as he has. And lets not forget that it was you that came in here and created a thread accusing him of alternate screennames, only to get caught yourself. So don't pretend that you are somehow a victim. Additionally, whether the original intent was to be offensive or not, it doesn't change what the result was. The fact that someone was offended should be enough for you to apologize.

A picture of what a perceived Jesus looks like wearing a weed shirt is exactly what? How is that personal against anyone? Many people feel Jesus smoked week (I learned today). If that's the case, then the picture becomes appropriate as well as funny (as far as this thread goes) IMO.

Just because some people may believe, think or theorize that Jesus may have smoked weed, does not make it funny or appropriate any more than some people believing that the holocaust was a hoax or agree with Hitler makes posting a picture of him appropriate or funny.


Him calling me a fucking moron is between me and him?. OK. It's cool with me.
Is that because his post was only directed to me? Of course.

Here we go again. It's all about turnup. The OP called you a fucking moron directly, so yes, that makes it between you and him. If he had come on here and said "All Heat fans are fucking morons" then that would take it from being between you two and would involve many others. Since it was directed solely at you, by definition, that makes it between you and him.

So how did my post who was directed to nobody end up being partially between me and you?
Answer is because you didn't like it. So really, maybe you aren't so sensitive to others. Maybe you are only sensitive if its a sore spot to you?

As I stated before, I didn't find the picture particularly offensive. I was merely pointing out that others did or could. The reason it has become partially between you and me is because I'm the only one dumb enough to continue the conversation with someone who clearly has no ability to see any viewpoint other than his own. A mistake that you can be sure I will not make again!!

 

[geneh_33]

I cannot honestly say that I would ever forgive him. I also cannot honestly say that I wouldn't!! I've never been in that situation, so I don't know.

I do feel that I would be much more likely to never forgive them however. Ultimately, when it comes to salvation, it is not up to me, it is up to God!!

Yes, I know that as a Christian, I am supposed to forgive them, but I am human and therefore fallible. I would try to forgive him because I know that it is what God would want me to do, but I cannot sit here and tell you with any degree of honesty that I know for certain that I could forgive him.

I couldn't forgive him completely on my own. God can forgive him, however. So I need God the Holy Spirit indwelling me to help me forgive him.

And forgive him the Christian must. Because if we don't forgive others their trespasses against us, neither will God forgive our trespasses. Nobody gets into heaven without the clean slate that Christ provides with his death.

This is how I believe, anyway.

 

[trojanfan12]

I couldn't forgive him completely on my own. God can forgive him, however. So I need God the Holy Spirit indwelling me to help me forgive him.

And forgive him the Christian must. Because if we don't forgive others their trespasses against us, neither will God forgive our trespasses. Nobody gets into heaven without the clean slate that Christ provides with his death.

This is how I believe, anyway.

I agree with you 100%!! I just know that it would be a very difficult thing for me to do!! Like you, with God's help, I could eventually forgive them, but it would likely be the most difficult thing I've ever done. I just pray that I never have to find out!!

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I agree with you 100%!! I just know that it would be a very difficult thing for me to do!! Like you, with God's help, I could eventually forgive them, but it would likely be the most difficult thing I've ever done. I just pray that I never have to find out!!

Trojan,

Our discussion has really just turned into both us expressing what we would do, or how we feel it should be done.
Since we see it so differently, it could boringly go on forever.

I honestly don't live my life worrying about what death will be like.
All I know for CERTAIN is that nothing is more important to me then my wife, child, and family.
I could never or would never even try to justify in any way, shape or form that some crack head had any right to be forgiven if they commit such a horrendous act.

 

[trojanfan12]

Trojan,

Our discussion has really just turned into both us expressing what we would do, or how we feel it should be done.
Since we see it so differently, it could boringly go on forever.

I honestly don't live my life worrying about what death will be like.
All I know for CERTAIN is that nothing is more important to me then my wife, child, and family.
I could never or would never even try to justify in any way, shape or form that some crack head had any right to be forgiven if they commit such a horrendous act.

I don't spend my life worrying about what death will be like either!! I'm too busy worrying about living (which can be difficult enough at times. LOL!!)!! Having said that, for myself and many others, there is comfort in what death will be like according to my faith!! Some folks call it a crutch or whatever, but it does, in my opinion, make for some peace of mind while I'm alive!!

I also agree re: wife, kids and family. The only difference is that I put God at the top of that list because it is my belief that without Him, I would not have my wife, kids and family!!

As for a right for said crackhead to be forgiven? That's up to God, not me!! My attempt to forgive them would be because it is what I believe that God would ask of me, not because I believe that they have any particular right to be forgiven!!

 

[Black Adam]

LOL. why do you guys BOTHER? as far as you and me, Turnip. DO read this closely. you went out of your way for THREE SOLID YEARS trying to troll me and get on my bad side. bad enough you're stupid psychological warfare FAILED in the end. but crying to everyone else about "how CL treats you" only makes you look worse. sheesh, haven't you embarrassed yourself enough? i CLEARLY don't like you, shorty. DEAL with it like a MAN, fer-cryin'-out-loud...

amazing. you want TF12 to send you some kleenex for your next crying jag...?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I don't spend my life worrying about what death will be like either!! I'm too busy worrying about living (which can be difficult enough at times. LOL!!)!! Having said that, for myself and many others, there is comfort in what death will be like according to my faith!! Some folks call it a crutch or whatever, but it does, in my opinion, make for some peace of mind while I'm alive!!

I also agree re: wife, kids and family. The only difference is that I put God at the top of that list because it is my belief that without Him, I would not have my wife, kids and family!!

As for a right for said crackhead to be forgiven? That's up to God, not me!! My attempt to forgive them would be because it is what I believe that God would ask of me, not because I believe that they have any particular right to be forgiven!!

But then, it also means that God created the crackhead, who he chose/allowed to kill what meant the most to me in this life. Was it done to punish me or them?
Anyway, if God made the decision to deal with me so shitty in this life, I'm not so sure I would be looking forward to round 2.

 

[JDM]

On the after you die thing, I do understand that. I myself will likely sign up for cryonics, not because I am scared of death, but because if there is a way to prevent it, you have to do so. What I don't like is how many preachers use hell as a scare tactic. "Believe what we do or you'll burn and suffer forever" may be something you truly believe, but people attracted by that tactic aren't likely to be very good Christians in my opinion.

 

[Black Adam]

On the after you die thing, I do understand that. I myself will likely sign up for cryonics, not because I am scared of death, but because if there is a way to prevent it, you have to do so. What I don't like is how many preachers use hell as a scare tactic. "Believe what we do or you'll burn and suffer forever" may be something you truly believe, but people attracted by that tactic aren't likely to be very good Christians in my opinion.

well, the bottom line on that one is there's BAD Christians out there as well as good ones(i could tell you stories from the personal end of that). as i alluded to before, no one is perfect. as far as Hell being a scare tactic i can only say that Heaven should be just as much as an "attract package" as far as that goes. course if some horrid fate were going to befall me(whether i believed or not) i'd surely wanna know about it BEFORE it happened...

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

LOL. why do you guys BOTHER? as far as you and me, Turnip. DO read this closely. you went out of your way for THREE SOLID YEARS trying to troll me and get on my bad side. bad enough you're stupid psychological warfare FAILED in the end. but crying to everyone else about "how CL treats you" only makes you look worse. sheesh, haven't you embarrassed yourself enough? i CLEARLY don't like you, shorty. DEAL with it like a MAN, fer-cryin'-out-loud...

amazing. you want TF12 to send you some kleenex for your next crying jag...?

I thought I was blocked

Anyway, I can totally disagree with a person and still have a civil conversation.
You on the other hand treat sports threads like it is the Hunger Games.

Asking others why they bother? Bother what? Having conversations?

Your approach with every single person is ass glom or bust.

Psychological warfare? Comical.

Maybe someday you will grow up and enter the big boy conversations.
Until then, knock yourself out worrying about a 3 year old TV show, fan celebrations and collusion.

 

[beardown07]

 

[JDM]

well, the bottom line on that one is there's BAD Christians out there as well as good ones(i could tell you stories from the personal end of that). as i alluded to before, no one is perfect. as far as Hell being a scare tactic i can only say that Heaven should be just as much as an "attract package" as far as that goes. course if some horrid fate were going to befall me(whether i believed or not) i'd surely wanna know about it BEFORE it happened...

I'm not saying hide it. But people should convert because of the inherent truth, not sending a tv evangelist money because they'll go to hell if they don't.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

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I know (and it worked) that I posted this on the other thread, but it really should have been on this one.

 

[beardown07]

 

[trojanfan12]

But then, it also means that God created the crackhead, who he chose/allowed to kill what meant the most to me in this life. Was it done to punish me or them?
Anyway, if God made the decision to deal with me so shitty in this life, I'm not so sure I would be looking forward to round 2.

God may have created the person who became a crackhead, but he did not make them a crackhead!! God gives us freewill which allows us to make choices in how we live our lives.

Included in this freewill, is the ability to determine for ourselves whether we believe in Him or not. God could force each and every one of us to love and worship Him, but what kind of love is that?

So, if someone chooses to become a crackhead, thief, murderer or whatever, it is not because God created them to do those things, it is because he allows us freewill and that is what they have chosen to do!! I have a very good friend who struggled with addiction for years. Today, he is a Certified Drug and Alcohol Counselor and teaches Addiction studies at the local Community College so that others can also get their Drug and Alcohol Counseling certifications.

If you talk to him, he would tell you that God did not make him into and addict/alcoholic that was the result of choices that he made. He would also tell you, however, that he would not have gotten himself out of it and be where he is today without God's help!!

 

[Black Adam]

I'm not saying hide it. But people should convert because of the inherent truth, not sending a tv evangelist money because they'll go to hell if they don't.

it's why i NEVER watch that stuff on TV...

 

[Black Adam]

 

[Black Adam]

God may have created the person who became a crackhead, but he did not make them a crackhead!! God gives us freewill which allows us to make choices in how we live our lives.

Included in this freewill, is the ability to determine for ourselves whether we believe in Him or not. God could force each and every one of us to love and worship Him, but what kind of love is that?

So, if someone chooses to become a crackhead, thief, murderer or whatever, it is not because God created them to do those things, it is because he allows us freewill and that is what they have chosen to do!! I have a very good friend who struggled with addiction for years. Today, he is a Certified Drug and Alcohol Counselor and teaches Addiction studies at the local Community College so that others can also get their Drug and Alcohol Counseling certifications.

If you talk to him, he would tell you that God did not make him into and addict/alcoholic that was the result of choices that he made. He would also tell you, however, that he would not have gotten himself out of it and be where he is today without God's help!!

one of my best friends went through the same issue. and yep, HE'LL tell you same thing your friend did. i'm proud of him these days, though. been sober for about 15 years now. re-married, has 2 beautiful kidss, a new house, and is one HECK of a lot happier...

 

[trojanfan12]

one of my best friends went through the same issue. and yep, HE'LL tell you same thing your friend did. i'm proud of him these days, though. been sober for about 15 years now. re-married, has 2 beautiful kidss, a new house, and is one HECK of a lot happier...

Yeah, I think my friend has about 20+ years of sobriety and is far happier. He is still one heckuva bartender for our USC/UCLA game parties!! Just doesn't drink what he makes anymore!!