Is Pete Carroll the right man for the job

[Screamin12th]

He was 7-9 and 7-9 without wilson. Honestly, who is a bigger reason for our success ? If i have to pick, im taking wilson.

We can replace pete, replacing wilson will be much harder

He was 7-9 for two seasons yes but he had to TOTALLY rebuild the team. this was a 4-5 win team with almost 0 talent when he took over. The fact he went 7-9 with Jackson as a starting QB speaks volumes lol.

in 2010 his first year here they were a 27th ranked Defense in 2011 they were a 7th ranked Defense. Replacing Pete is and will be a very hard task to do. Now on the other hand replacing the OC to one that will use Wilson as a weapon wouldn't be to hard. That is if Pete LETS them use Wilson as a weapon, something he has been reluctant to do until the 2nd half of games they are losing.

 

[MrS]

Look at andy reid, finally finds a good qb and makes the superbowl.

Put mahomes on another team he probably still makes the superbowl.

Both can build legit teams, but both need an elite QB to get over the top.

We have an elite QB and have been squandering year after year trying to play a style of football we arent staffed for.

 

[Dolemite censored]

We need to keep 27 or trade up this year

Seahawks typically trade down and are very good in the later rounds.

The 1st round marquee players are a toss-up. Turn that first rounder into a 3 and a 5, or a 5, 6 and 7,

The need solid O-line prospects, pass rushers and DBs.

 

[Dolemite censored]

Look at andy reid, finally finds a good qb and makes the superbowl.

Put mahomes on another team he probably still makes the superbowl.

Both can build legit teams, but both need an elite QB to get over the top.

We have an elite QB and have been squandering year after year trying to play a style of football we arent staffed for.

Wilson has had to run for his life from day 1. Its amazing what he's done with the lack of protection he gets.

 

[Screamin12th]

Seahawks typically trade down and are very good in the later rounds.

The 1st round marquee players are a toss-up. Turn that first rounder into a 3 and a 5, or a 5, 6 and 7,

The need solid O-line prospects, pass rushers and DBs.

i get it, living off a great past is hard to forget but lets not do that. Lets look at what they have done since the Bobby Wagner and Kam Chancellor, Doug Baldwin and Richard Sherman. That has not been a whole lot. Here is a clip from an Article from MARCH 2018.

"The Seattle Seahawks are known for their drafting skills. Heck, they drafted several potential Seattle Ring of Honor players in a short time span, with some of them coming later in the draft. The draft has inspired so much hope in Seahawks fans over the past few years because of this early success. Richard Sherman was a fifth-round pick, K.J. Wright was a fourth-round pick, Russell Wilson was a third-round pick, Kam Chancellor was a fifth-round pick, the list is impressive.

But, over the past couple seasons Seattle has missed on more draft picks than the Cleveland Browns."

and

"Seattle needs to find their groove again for this year’s ( 2018 Draft! )draft or they are wasting another year of having a franchise quarterback. Wilson won’t be around forever and the Seahawks need to focus on the next few years with the intensity the team started with when Carroll took over."


Looking at the Seattle Seahawks’ recent draft struggles

 

[seattlefan75]

He was 7-9 and 7-9 without wilson. Honestly, who is a bigger reason for our success ? If i have to pick, im taking wilson.

We can replace pete, replacing wilson will be much harder

Maybe but Pete Carroll built a great culture in Seattle and he was also voted as the coach players would want to play for which is huge in free agency. The amount of pressure that the new coach would have to over come would be immense. You are basically telling the new coach he HAS to do better than 11 wins and win the division over a Rams and 49ers stout teams.

 

[MrS]

Seahawks typically trade down and are very good in the later rounds.

The 1st round marquee players are a toss-up. Turn that first rounder into a 3 and a 5, or a 5, 6 and 7,

The need solid O-line prospects, pass rushers and DBs.

Im done with that, take an actual talent in rd one. Trade up of needed. This is the year to do it.

 

[Anointed One]

Im done with that, take an actual talent in rd one. Trade up of needed. This is the year to do it.

You feel that confident that they'll hit with a #1 pick?

Since Carroll/Schneider

 

[Screamin12th]

You feel that confident that they'll hit with a #1 pick?

Since Carroll/Schneider

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to be fair, they have not been much better in rounds 2-7 the past 3 or so years lol

 

[MrS]

You feel that confident that they'll hit with a #1 pick?

Since Carroll/Schneider

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If they do this one easy trick, draft consensus first round talent and let the guy they REALLY want fall to them in later round.

We missed out on vander esch, dalton risner, and many other talented players because of their stupid philosophy.

 

[Screamin12th]

If they do this one easy trick, draft consensus first round talent and let the guy they REALLY want fall to them in later round.

We missed out on vander esch, dalton risner, and many other talented players because of their stupid philosophy.

i would agree that their philosophy and or scouting has been bad for to long now. To many misses has drained this club of talent.

 

[MrS]

They hit home runs in later rounds and i think the logic is "hey why wait, lets take him now we know he will be a home run."

Collier could have been had much later in all likelihood.

 

[Screamin12th]

Yeah i think they started believing way to much in their "luck" at drafting mid to late round studs was skill because it did happen often ... at first. Now not so much they have been in my eyes one of the worst drafting teams in the NFL the last 3 or 4 seasons. Glad DK fell and they decided he was worth trading up for or the 2019 draft is almost vacant of any one that actually helped this team.

 

[SeattleCoug]

You feel that confident that they'll hit with a #1 pick?

Since Carroll/Schneider

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The theme says if they pick in mid to late 20s it hasnt been good so maybe instead of trading down, try trading up?

 

[blstoker]

If they do this one easy trick, draft consensus first round talent and let the guy they REALLY want fall to them in later round.

We missed out on vander esch, dalton risner, and many other talented players because of their stupid philosophy.

You love beating this horse, but you've yet to describe a consensus first round talent as being anything but a player who is media hyped. Besides that, you're acting like they aren't trying to get talent when they pick.

2011, #25, James Carpenter. Was considered a first round talent, even a steal for the late first round where the Seahawks got him. Despite fans opinion of him, has started every year of his 9 year career (granted only 7 of 7 in 2012) for 3 different teams.

2012 #15 Bruce Irvin. With all the post draft hate on this pick, its easy to forget that nfl.com had Irvin rated as an 86 out of 100 (or perennial Pro Bowl talent). Maybe not "consensus" going in, but plenty of people felt he was borderline first round talent. Started 9 games or more in 8 of 9 seasons (rookie year was the exception) with 4 different teams.

2013 Traded, Percy Harvin. Harvin was a borderline star, and at 24 at the time of the trade, he was barely older than the rookies being drafted. So he was as close to a consensus 1st round talent as any player in the draft this year. His injuries and disillusion had nothing to do with his talent level when the Seahawks traded their first (a seventh and a third) for him in 2013.

2014, Traded, Paul Richardson. By #32, there wasn't a consensus player left, and Richardson shows flashes of being competent, just not healthy. So, I'll give you that they didn't get a 1st round talent, and hind-sight shows there were some really good players to be had.

2015 Traded, Jimmy Graham. Like Harvin, easily considered worth the first round pick given up for him. Though he never put up the numbers he did in New Orleans, he still was statistically successful (blocking, not so much).

2016 #31 Germain Ifedi. Early second round talent going #31 - Oh the horror!!! Ifedi was considered a high ceiling guy who had some effort issues, but could player either G or T. He's started ever since he got here. Looking at the 2nd round that year, the Hawks didn't appear to miss out on much, unless maybe Derrick Henry as a replacement to Lynch (but I don't remember anyone clamoring for him at the time, in fact - the board was pretty unanimous that OL was the bigger need).

2017 Traded, Malik McDowell. Not only a consensus first round talent, many had him in the top 10. Never played a snap due to stupid life decisions.

2018 #27, Rashaad Penny. Considered a second round talent by most, team seemed to pick for need more than anything, which hasn't been their MO usually. Though thought to be a reach, only slightly by most, as he was considered to be the most rounded of the backs after Barkley. Maybe a different back would've been better for Seattle, but he's been very successful in the carries he has been given.

2019 #29, LJ Collier. Most thought it was a reach, especially since fans weren't really familiar with him. I don't know why he didn't get many snaps this season, but hopefully he can turn it around. Though its really too early to say who should've been picked. Personally, I liked Sweat pre-draft, but the draft is still young.

Through the draft, Pete and John have gotten mostly first round talent with their first round picks. Not all were consensus, but there were plenty of analysis that thought they were first round players. Granted, Seattle hasn't drafted a super star since Thomas, but they haven't been as bad as fans would believe. 47% of 1st rounders over the last 10 years average less than 5 AV per season, Seattle is at just under 43% (and that's with both of the last 2 falling in there).

We'll have to see how this draft goes, and inevitably, anyone I like will be drafted by someone else, and it's just wait and see how the Hawks draft picks turn out.

 

[Screamin12th]

47% of 1st rounders over the last 10 years average less than 5 AV per season, Seattle is at just under 43% (and that's with both of the last 2 falling in there).

We'll have to see how this draft goes, and inevitably, anyone I like will be drafted by someone else, and it's just wait and see how the Hawks draft picks turn out.

Lets take out the 2010 draft where Seattle got Thomas and Okung, thats 2 first rounders removed cutting that number down to what 20%? oof doesn't look so hot now does it. WELL BELOW average. Why go back 10 years. Why not just the past 5 years? because the numbers tell a VERY different story.

 

[blstoker]

Lets take out the 2010 draft where Seattle got Thomas and Okung, thats 2 first rounders removed cutting that number down to what 20%? oof doesn't look so hot now does it. WELL BELOW average. Why go back 10 years. Why not just the past 5 years? because the numbers tell a VERY different story.

Why post 9 years for the other posts? Cause it helps the argument ! Seriously, throughout the tenure of the Seahawks, PC/JS have gotten first round talent for a vast majority of their first round picks, the ability for the players to live up to the round they were drafted (or fans ability to realize that first round talent isn’t a guarantee of success) is a separate issue.

If the media’s opinion of a player is all that matters, Russell Wilson would be out of the league and Trent Richardson would be approaching GOAT status. Seattle has been average at best when drafting in the first round (when compensating for the location of their picks) but it isn’t because they’re purposefully drafting lesser talent.

 

[Tech_God]

This is a very good thread so....

 

[Tech_God]

You feel that confident that they'll hit with a #1 pick?

Since Carroll/Schneider

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Pete and John's wheel house has never been the first round. This season, Round 2 was a home run. Previous years, rounds 3-5. The first round has always been a gamble since we have a good record the previous season and we draft LATE in the first round.

 

[Screamin12th]

Why post 9 years for the other posts? Cause it helps the argument ! Seriously, throughout the tenure of the Seahawks, PC/JS have gotten first round talent for a vast majority of their first round picks, the ability for the players to live up to the round they were drafted (or fans ability to realize that first round talent isn’t a guarantee of success) is a separate issue.

If the media’s opinion of a player is all that matters, Russell Wilson would be out of the league and Trent Richardson would be approaching GOAT status. Seattle has been average at best when drafting in the first round (when compensating for the location of their picks) but it isn’t because they’re purposefully drafting lesser talent.

"When a first round pick is announced and there's an audible "who?" followed by stunned silenced, it's probably safe to classify it as a reach. That was exactly the reaction the Seattle Seahawks were faced with when Roger Goodell stepped to the podium and announced James Carpenter, an offensive tackle from Alabama, was the No. 25 pick in the 2011 NFL Draft. Like sharks sensing blood in the water, the pundits circled and got ready to rumble as soon as the pick was announced.

And it's hard to blame them. The Seahawks justified the decision by saying Carpenter was a guy they liked and when the opportunity to trade down never came to fruition, they had to pull the trigger. But seeing a player almost every analyst had as as second, or even third, round pick come off the board at No. 25 was quite the surprise, both in New York and back in Seattle."

We all have agreed that they had a good couple years at first but it's been a long time since seeing success in the draft THATS why i say remove 2010 and see how your numbers stack up. There is a article out there talking about how since the success early on Seattle has been one of if not THE WORST drafting team in the NFL. go back 5 years and you are still talking about players in their prime go back 10 years and you are talking about players that might have all ready retired and are in their 30's.