Is Luka for AD the most shocking trade of all time

[tc1]

What are you talking about?

What actually happened.

The only reason AD was available was because he was heading toward free agency.

Wrong.

He extended in LA.

Wrong.

Today I agree.

He shot 34% and 33% last 2 years in NOLA and was trending up.

Those numbers are a favor to the defense. Do the arithmetic, in the unlikely event that you are able to.

Again, we are talking about his value in 2019. Not today.

Please do try to keep up.

I've lapped you repeatedly. Perhaps you didn't see me go by.

 

[DJ Fieri]

What is it you say @dtgold88? Comedy gold?

This thread has it with this newb/alt.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Again, as I previously observed, their MO is to draft better than everyone else, and then package their excess assets in trade for star players when they become available. To some degree, this is necessary for a franchise that almost always makes the playoffs, and plays in the Finals almost as often as not -- they are not going to have early picks, unless they trade for them, and there's no meaningful difference between trading for the pick and trading for the player later.

That is precisely how they obtained Abdul-Jabbar, Bryant, Davis, and now Doncic.

Back in the day, when the draft was like 15 rounds long, the Lakers used to take late-round flyers on players with college eligibility left, and try to talk them into signing early. That's why they drafted Elgin Baylor twice -- once in the 14th round in '56, and again in the first in '58. They tried to snag Sam and KC Jones the same way -- if they had succeeded, the Celtics dynasty probably never happens.

Many of the players that I listed were stars -- whether or not your knowledge is sufficient to consider them such is not really relevant.

Here's another way for you to understand the situation. How many of the Lakers' 17 titles resulted from anything other than drafted talent -- which would be free agency?

O'Neal is largely responsible for 3 titles, and James for 1.

Have fun searching for the next most-impactful Laker free-agent signing, with respect to championships.

I'll save you the time, it's Kurt Rambis -- who won four rings, two as a starter. And even he doesn't really count, because he was a "free agent" who wasn't even in the league at all, having been released from a 10-day contract with the Knicks a few months earlier.

That's it -- it's O'Neal, James, and then Rambis.

All of their other titles came courtesy of drafted players, or players that they traded drafted players for. And even James' title doesn't happen without the drafted assets that the Lakers had collected. Nor would've O'Neal's, because they needed Divac to trade for Bryant.

So again, as I've said, the Lakers are "the Lakers" due to the established fact that they draft better than any team ever has, in any sport -- and no one is even in a close second place.

Exellent reply however I said all time great players. Shaq, etc. Not Fisher level players.

.We all recognize that Jerry West was brilliant. I get that. But he's been gone for decades and in that time they acquired, not through the draft, LeBron James, AD and now Luka. It does kind of resemble what the Dodgers are doing. Great for LA fans but sucks for everyone else. Of course a lot of that is envy. But to me the Celtics have been more impressive and they have not relied on getting a top 5 player who they acquired via FA or in a lopsided trade because the player wanted out.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Agreed.

I also think though, they don’t make this deal if they had been getting steamrolled every night with him (sometimes Kyrie too) on the sidelines.

They have remained mostly competitive.

Not today though

I do think Nico SERIOUSLY underestimated Luka's popularity with Mavs fans. It's not quite Dirk level, but this trade is very unpopular. For his sake, they better win one before the Lakers

 

[UK Cowboy]

Dude, you are making stuff up and I called you on it. If you think that is disrespectful, then stop making stuff up.

Only one of us lacks understanding.

It’s Wemby by a lot.

He literally isn’t even tradeable because of his age, his contract and the fact that he is under team control for the next 7 years.

These things matter.

And no, that does not mean OKC would deal SGA for Wemby because of what you mentioned.

But that is the only player on the only team that might say no to a mostly 1 for 1 deal (+ contracts) for Wemby.

And that is because of how good the team is and the fact they have Chet.

Joker + a pick or 2 for Wemby and salary?

Denver does that in a second.

100% on Joker and picks. Denver jumps it. Wemby laughs. I don't think the Spurs would take Joker and Murray

 

[msgkings322]

First off, you need to do much, much better with your garbage comments before you start ordering people around. Your commentary has revealed an embarrassing and almost complete lack of understanding on most topics, so calm yourself the hell down.

But since I'm nice, I will humor you.

That's a matter of opinion. I suspect most people would say Wembanyama. I would disagree, as he is wildly overrated. Were he half as good as people claim, the Spurs wouldn't suck so comprehensively. They barely improved at all with him as a rookie, which is almost unprecedented for a healthy #1 overall pick.

It also depends on the trade partner. Wembanyama would be worth a lot less to Oklahoma City, since they already have Holmgren, who might be just as good.

This dude is a bigger asshole than I am lol

 

[tc1]

Dude, you are making stuff up and I called you on it. If you think that is disrespectful, then stop making stuff up.

For the nth time, I have made nothing up, and I have provided sources for much of my material.

You, on the other hand, have been wrong in almost every single comment.

It’s Wemby by a lot.

He literally isn’t even tradeable because of his age, his contract and the fact that he is under team control for the next 7 years.

These things matter.

As does having among the worst rookie seasons in history, by a healthy #1 overall pick.

I'm sure that some GMs noticed the Spurs still sucking even with a raft of highly-drafted players and an alleged all-time great coach.

But like I said, trade value is a matter of opinion -- which, if you knew shit from Shinola, I would not have to explain to you.

 

[trojanfan12]

Don't tell me LeBron wasn't a part of it

He actually wasn't. This was initiated by the Mavs because they have wanted AD for a few years now and have approached the Lakers several times over the years but talks never progressed because Luka was never on the table.

This was the first time he was. Because the Lakers had made it clear that there would be no getting AD without the Lakers getting Luka in return the Mavs knew the Lakers were likely to say yes and they wanted to get the deal done quickly and quietly.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I do think Nico SERIOUSLY underestimated Luka's popularity with Mavs fans. It's not quite Dirk level, but this trade is very unpopular. For his sake, they better win one before the Lakers

If Irving opts out then you're screwed. If he stays and they can add a quality 3 and D player for say Lively and Marshall before Thursday? They could be a really tough out in the playoffs and I would say they are WCF-bound.

 

[msgkings322]

What is it you say @dtgold88? Comedy gold?

This thread has it with this newb/alt.

He's a massive prick but knows a lot more than Dorian so I'm loving this

 

[DJ Fieri]

He's a massive prick but knows a lot more than Dorian so I'm loving this

He could be another former poster, not saying he is Dorian....and I agree.

 

[Think McFly Think]

This dude is a bigger asshole than I am lol

I’ve been enjoying the back and forth. I always love the ones that say “you all have 5th grade reading levels” but then continue to engage.

He’s like eaglesnut but smart.

 

[msgkings322]

He could be another former poster, not saying he is Dorian....and I agree.

He doesn't remind me of anyone but sure, he could be an alt. Hardly matters, we need some new blood here now that funbags has bailed again and BlackAdam and Mecca are gone.

 

[UK Cowboy]

If Irving opts out then you're screwed. If he stays and they can add a quality 3 and D player for say Lively and Marshall before Thursday? They could be a really tough out in the playoffs and I would say they are WCF-bound.

I don't think they will trade Lively. I do think they can keep Kyrie. He and AD are pretty good friends. And I would bet my house that the Mavs talked to Kyrie before they dealt Luka

 

[msgkings322]

I’ve been enjoying the back and forth. I always love the ones that say “you all have 5th grade reading levels” but then continue to engage.

He’s like eaglesnut but smart.

I mean, it's standard trolly/asshole talk but kind of hacky, no cleverness in just saying everyone is dumb. The idea is to show it.

 

[trojanfan12]

He doesn't remind me of anyone but sure, he could be an alt. Hardly matters, we need some new blood here now that funbags has bailed again and BlackAdam and Mecca are gone.

That reminds me...which one of you assholes ran off @Mecca of the “B” Team ?

 

[Wamu]

He's been here before.....I am almost sure of it.

Read some of his comments I thought the same thing.

 

[Wamu]

I'm not, I just have a direct style of written communication. I would use more flowery language, but hardly anyone here can seemingly read above a 5th-grade level, so that'd be a further waste of time.

Is there anything I can say to speed your meltdown up?

 

[DJ Fieri]

I don't think they will trade Lively. I do think they can keep Kyrie. He and AD are pretty good friends. And I would bet my house that the Mavs talked to Kyrie before they dealt Luka

Like Lance said, it's really a win now situation.....3-4 years.

Trading Lively (he has more trade value than Gafford because he is younger and more upside) and Marshall to get a 3 and D wing makes a lot of sense.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Read some of his comments I thought the same thing.

The narcissism is truly off the charts.