Is Luka for AD the most shocking trade of all time

[tc1]

Jerry Buss.

Not his kids.

They don’t get credit for dad’s work.

They got 1 title thanks to LeBron and AD. Maybe they get a few more with Luka.

We shall see.

You are embarrassing yourself, friend.

Look up when Buss Senior passed. Now check the Laker roster on that date.

I'm no fan of the Buss children, but you are not accurately representing the facts.

 

[tc1]

1. Maybe your opinion of both comes with some bias?

Everyone has biases, but I don't like either player here, so that's a bit irrelevant.

2. Let me remind you of what you said.

Great players have had bad Finals games in the past. Luka isn't the first or the last.

Let me remind you that the Clippers have never sniffed the Finals. That's a hint that you completely misread the comment that you are referring to.

Man, I read news stories about how kids today are almost functionally illiterate on average, and I find them hard to believe -- but then I go on a forum...

 

[tlance]

You are embarrassing yourself, friend.

Look up when Buss Senior passed. Now check the Laker roster on that date.

I'm no fan of the Buss children, but you are not accurately representing the facts.

I am aware they built the current roster.

Had some breaks go their way in order to get that done.

Win with Luka and they will get all the credit they deserve.

And LOL at me not representing facts.

 

[tc1]

They outbid Boston only because Boston wasn’t willing to commit all their assets after AD point blank told them he would not resign there.

And what did Davis do? Played out his contract in Los Angeles, and became an unrestricted free agent. Exactly as he would have anywhere else.

So this claim is irrelevant.

Boston had them easily to beat the Laker package very easily if they wanted to. It wasn’t close in fact. In fact, there was ongoing debate as to whether or not the Lakers best offer was enough for NOLA to take even there wasn’t another offer better.

This is all rank nonsense that has been debunked hundreds of times in the intervening years.

And you continue to prove you don’t understand player valuation. AD was a unicorn. He could shoot 3s, defend in space and was an offensive force.

He can't shoot threes today! Any 3 that Davis takes is a favor to the defense. He should never be more than 12 feet from the basket on offense. Look at his numbers.

 

[tc1]

I am aware they built the current roster.

You are now. You said precisely the opposite a moment ago.

Had some breaks go their way in order to get that done.

List the teams that won a title without having any breaks, there, Mr Player Evaluation Expert.

 

[tlance]

You are now. You said precisely the opposite a moment ago.



List the teams that won a title without having any breaks, there, Mr Player Evaluation Expert.

Answer my question about who the most valuable trade asset is in the NBA currently

 

[tlance]

And what did Davis do? Played out his contract in Los Angeles, and became an unrestricted free agent. Exactly as he would have anywhere else.

So this claim is irrelevant.


This is all rank nonsense that has been debunked hundreds of times in the intervening years.



He can't shoot threes today! Any 3 that Davis takes is a favor to the defense. He should never be more than 12 feet from the basket on offense. Look at his numbers.

What are you talking about?

The only reason AD was available was because he was heading toward free agency.

He extended in LA.

Said he would not do that anywhere else.

As for the 3s?

Today I agree.

He shot 34% and 33% last 2 years in NOLA and was trending up.

Again, we are talking about his value in 2019. Not today.

Please do try to keep up.

 

[Wamu]

Everyone has biases, but I don't like either player here, so that's a bit irrelevant.



Let me remind you that the Clippers have never sniffed the Finals. That's a hint that you completely misread the comment that you are referring to.

Man, I read news stories about how kids today are almost functionally illiterate on average, and I find them hard to believe -- but then I go on a forum...

You seem very angry.

 

[tlance]

You are now. You said precisely the opposite a moment ago.



List the teams that won a title without having any breaks, there, Mr Player Evaluation Expert.

When did I say they didn’t?

LeBron signed via free agency despite Laker FO being though to be totally incompetent by many at the time.

AD wanted LA because LeBron was there.

Then as soon as they win in 2020, they moved away from the identity that got them the title and dealt away a number of key pieces for ill fitting names.

That is more than a little luck on the front office side.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Meanwhile...The Mavs are down 91-46...At halftime. I hope Nico has a secondary career choice

 

[DJ Fieri]

You seem very angry.

He's been here before.....I am almost sure of it.

 

[tlance]

Meanwhile...The Mavs are down 91-46...At halftime. I hope Nico has a secondary career choice

This one won’t be held against him with all their good players resting.

But LOL.

 

[UK Cowboy]

This one won’t be held against him with all their good players resting.

But LOL.

Yeah its just optics, but still. I think the thing that is lost about how good Luka is, is how much better he makes the players around him. A lot of the Mavs offensive production is about to spiral

 

[tlance]

Yeah its just optics, but still. I think the thing that is lost about how good Luka is, is how much better he makes the players around him. A lot of the Mavs offensive production is about to spiral

Agreed.

I also think though, they don’t make this deal if they had been getting steamrolled every night with him (sometimes Kyrie too) on the sidelines.

They have remained mostly competitive.

Not today though

 

[tlance]

You are now. You said precisely the opposite a moment ago.



List the teams that won a title without having any breaks, there, Mr Player Evaluation Expert.

Nope.

Read again.

I said I was aware they got a title with LeBron and AD.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Nope.

Read again.

I said I was aware they got a title with LeBron and AD.

He's talking about breaks but I don't think breaks have a lot to do with it most years. They play seven game series, the best teams win. If you have Kobe and Shaq, or Kareem and Magic, you don't need breaks. It just is what it is. Fit or not, which team has a stronger 1-2 right now than the Lakers? It really isn't a hard fix for them. There are 6-8 big men on the market that can be had for draft picks. Defensive players and a big. They have shooters.

 

[trojanfan12]

Just got back from running some errands and may have a little more info on this.

I assume the info is legit because I was listening to the 2 guys who do the Lakers post-game show on ESPN radio, and they were interviewing Ramona Shelburne.

On everyone getting caught off guard...they said that when they saw the first Shams post, they said "Shams got hacked", then saw a Woike post backing it up and said "Damn, they got Woike too." Then they sent a text to someone they know who knows Shams personally...and he said that he even sent Shams a text asking if he'd been hacked. lol

According to Ramona Shelburne... this has been in the works for a couple of weeks (which I believe @bksballer89 alluded to earlier).

Apparently, the Mavs have been interested in AD for a while and have asked about him several times over the past few years, but the talks never progressed because Luka was never on the table. Also, they didn't want it to become a bidding war because that would drag things out and they wanted it to be quick and quiet to not appear disrespectful to Luka.

So, end of the day, it looks like the reason they only dealt with the Lakers was they wanted AD and they knew that if Luka was on the table the Lakers were very likely to say yes, and that meant the deal could be done quickly and quietly.

Also, Lebron has apparently always liked Luka's game and Luka is among the guys that Lebron has hoped to get to play with...so both teams knew there would be no push back from him.

 

[tc1]

Answer my question about who the most valuable trade asset is in the NBA currently

First off, you need to do much, much better with your garbage comments before you start ordering people around. Your commentary has revealed an embarrassing and almost complete lack of understanding on most topics, so calm yourself the hell down.

But since I'm nice, I will humor you.

That's a matter of opinion. I suspect most people would say Wembanyama. I would disagree, as he is wildly overrated. Were he half as good as people claim, the Spurs wouldn't suck so comprehensively. They barely improved at all with him as a rookie, which is almost unprecedented for a healthy #1 overall pick.

It also depends on the trade partner. Wembanyama would be worth a lot less to Oklahoma City, since they already have Holmgren, who might be just as good.

 

[tc1]

You seem very angry.

I'm not, I just have a direct style of written communication. I would use more flowery language, but hardly anyone here can seemingly read above a 5th-grade level, so that'd be a further waste of time.

 

[tlance]

First off, you need to do much, much better with your garbage comments before you start ordering people around. Your commentary has revealed an embarrassing and almost complete lack of understanding on most topics, so calm yourself the hell down.

But since I'm nice, I will humor you.

That's a matter of opinion. I suspect most people would say Wembanyama. I would disagree, as he is wildly overrated. Were he half as good as people claim, the Spurs wouldn't suck so comprehensively. They barely improved at all with him as a rookie, which is almost unprecedented for a healthy #1 overall pick.

It also depends on the trade partner. Wembanyama would be worth a lot less to Oklahoma City, since they already have Holmgren, who might be just as good.

Dude, you are making stuff up and I called you on it. If you think that is disrespectful, then stop making stuff up.

Only one of us lacks understanding.

It’s Wemby by a lot.

He literally isn’t even tradeable because of his age, his contract and the fact that he is under team control for the next 7 years.

These things matter.

And no, that does not mean OKC would deal SGA for Wemby because of what you mentioned.

But that is the only player on the only team that might say no to a mostly 1 for 1 deal (+ contracts) for Wemby.

And that is because of how good the team is and the fact they have Chet.

Joker + a pick or 2 for Wemby and salary?

Denver does that in a second.