Is Baker Mayfield a Top 10 QB

[broncosmitty]

I see much of Lamar's success being entirely dependent on his legs. Passing included. The entire scheme is based around his mobility. As I said we will see once it is all said and done. Obviously Lamar has a pretty solid early lead.

It’s a lot more than solid.


Back to back thousand yard rushing seasons, an MVP and the dude has only lost 8 games. Can’t teach speed, but touch and accuracy are skills that can be improved on.

 

[broncosmitty]

You get that is only your opinion, right? Allen has had one great year, one OK and one awful. All in same system with same coach. Baker has had one good, one really good and one awful season. 4 different coaches/systems. Each has one playoff win.

LJ does have the best season among the 3 but not sure how much his legs hold out for him which will be critical to ultimately remain the best or top 2. In addition, thinking having a solid to elite D has helped him...and, of course, same system every year.

FYI, none of this is to say I think Baker is or will be the best....but absurd to say 0% chance.

Getting guys fired isn’t an excuse in my book.


It’s a 0% chance. Just not the same talent level.

 

[Dude]

Baker > Wentz … upon a time

 

[dtgold88]

It’s a lot more than solid.


Back to back thousand yard rushing seasons, an MVP and the dude has only lost 8 games. Can’t teach speed, but touch and accuracy are skills that can be improved on.

It's actually very difficult to imrpove that much when it comes to accuracy at this point for most QBs. Isn't to say he cannot. His speed will likely go.

Those losses (lack of) probably aided some by a very good to elite defense....and never having to run into Freddie Kitchens.

 

[broncosmitty]

It's actually very difficult to imrpove that much when it comes to accuracy at this point for most QBs. Isn't to say he cannot. His speed will likely go.

Those losses (lack of) probably aided some by a very good to elite defense....and never having to run into Freddie Kitchens.

He’s already a more accurate passer.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Def looks like Allen is the guy but as to Lamar the jury won't be done on that for a long time.

I'm fine they didn't take Allen his stats coming out of college were concerning. His development in the NFL has been amazing.

Josh Allen isn’t great early in the season. Like I said before the season, gotta see him this year (along with the other guys in that class). He had an amazing year last year, can’t deny that. Baker is #2 in that class for sure. Darnold looks to improve his career with CAR.
Lamar sucks as a passer.
Rosen was a bust

 

[Shanemansj13]

It’s a lot more than solid.


Back to back thousand yard rushing seasons, an MVP and the dude has only lost 8 games. Can’t teach speed, but touch and accuracy are skills that can be improved on.

He sucks as a passer. That ultimately will stunt his growth. The last thing you need in a QB is bad accuracy. It also creates a ceiling for the Ravens as a team. They are built around him as a runner, like we have seen it only takes you so far.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Baker > Wentz … upon a time

Yeah too bad Wentz is brittle, he had potential

 

[Stakesarehigh]

He sucks as a passer. That ultimately will stunt his growth. The last thing you need in a QB is bad accuracy. It also creates a ceiling for the Ravens as a team. They are built around him as a runner, like we have seen it only takes you so far.

Not having a good night tonight for sure. If he holds up physically it would be amazing and his legs make him a unique threat. Again that isn't to say he isn't very much outperforming Baker to this point I'm just not sure when they both hang em up that Lamar will have for sure had the better career.

I do think Allen will have the better statistical career over Baker. But that doesn't necessarily mean he will be more successful.

 

[dtgold88]

Not having a good night tonight for sure. If he holds up physically it would be amazing and his legs make him a unique threat. Again that isn't to say he isn't very much outperforming Baker to this point I'm just not sure when they both hang em up that Lamar will have for sure had the better career.

I do think Allen will have the better statistical career over Baker. But that doesn't necessarily mean he will be more successful.

I think Allen will but I'm not sure about that. Baker has the ability to be deadly accurate with elite arm strength, too. doesn't run as much as Allen but he can move around in the pocket and get yards when he needs to with his legs. One thing he'll never have is Allen's size, of course.

 

[broncosmitty]

He sucks as a passer. That ultimately will stunt his growth. The last thing you need in a QB is bad accuracy. It also creates a ceiling for the Ravens as a team. They are built around him as a runner, like we have seen it only takes you so far.

He completes passes at a better rate than Mayfield. This is a statistical fact.

 

[Breed]

Short answer: no

Long answer: nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

i gotta use this ^^^^^^^ sometime.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

He completes passes at a better rate than Mayfield. This is a statistical fact.

You may be surprised to know Baker has a better career completion pct then lol

 

[Shanemansj13]

He completes passes at a better rate than Mayfield. This is a statistical fact.

So you are saying Lamar is a better passer?…that means you lose all credibility in this conversation LOL. Cmon man, not even you can believe the BS coming out of your mouth

 

[broncosmitty]

So you are saying Lamar is a better passer?…that means you lose all credibility in this conversation LOL. Cmon man, not even you can believe the BS coming out of your mouth

He has a higher career completion percentage and has less than half as many interceptions.


Your homerdom on this is retarded.

 

[broncosmitty]

You may be surprised to know Baker has a better career completion pct then lol

Wrong.

 

[Tainthappening]

He has a higher career completion percentage and has less than half as many interceptions.


Your homerdom on this is retarded.

Lamar - career through week 1
- Comp 64%
- TDs/Int 69 / 18
- Yards attempt 7.5

Baker - career through week 1
- Comp 62%
- TDs/Int 75 / 44
- Yards attempt 7.5

Pretty comparable, except Baker throwing over 2x more interceptions

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Wrong.

I'm not exactly sure why it is you're being like this about Mayfield but yes he does...62.1 to Allen's 61.7. Their qb rating is nearly identical. You're approaching this conversation as if the gap is incredible lol

Allen had a rough first season (albeit incomplete) and Baker's second was as discussed....rough. And yes Baker hasn't had a single year as good as Allen's last.

But again...the total stats are very close.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Sorry we were talking about Allen so I was thinking you meant Allen. I now see it was Lamar you were referring to.

I'm not disputing Jackson's stats to this point I'm simply saying I see Baker and Allen's performance as much more sustainable than Jackson

 

[Wamu]

Lamar - career through week 1
- Comp 64%
- TDs/Int 69 / 18
- Yards attempt 7.5

Baker - career through week 1
- Comp 62%
- TDs/Int 75 / 44
- Yards attempt 7.5

Pretty comparable, except Baker throwing over 2x more interceptions

Why didn't you mention career pass attempts? That factors into int's. More pass attempts, more int's.

Mayfield- 1,555 / Jackson- 1,003 (and Jackson didn't have to play for a bad coach like Fratboy Freddy, Lamar's HC is a future HOFer)

Mayfield's thrown at least 480 passes in a season three times. Jackson's thrown 400 passes in a season once. And last season Jackson threw more int's (9 in 376 passes) than Mayfield (8 in 486).