Getting down to preferences & opinions now... As I stated, my tiers are more based on accolades in combination with skill.Just thinking about some names that maybe deserve to be in tier 2: Warren Moon, Dan Fouts
But who to remove?
Getting down to preferences & opinions now... As I stated, my tiers are more based on accolades in combination with skill.Just thinking about some names that maybe deserve to be in tier 2: Warren Moon, Dan Fouts
But who to remove?
It's a team sport. Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer each won Superbowls as QBs. Dan Marino didn't.Joe flacco and Rodgers have the same number of post season wins.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Those types can be safely ignored. There's smart, reasonable fans and then there's the idiots. It's just a sport so idiots can say whatever but we know better.
There's people who think LeBron James isn't great, that Aaron Rodgers isn't great....hell HammerDown doesn't think Tom Brady was any good LOL
It's a team sport. Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer each won Superbowls as QBs. Dan Marino didn't.
Sure, I like your list. But it's ALL preferences and opinions. There's no scientific way to do this.Getting down to preferences & opinions now... As I stated, my tiers are more based on accolades in combination with skill.
He's yanking everyone's chain with that stuffHe also thinks the Patriots front office conspired to cover up Hernandez being a mass murderer and intentionally rewarded him tens of millions for being a murderer. Then, they had him killed in prison because he "knew too much". lol
So, yeah...
I agree to a point, but it's such a team sport that it's hard to really say how much is on the QB.I think wins and SB wins definitely are a part of the "All-time QB equation"... but it's not near as large of a percentage into it as most make it.
I have Tom Brady, Cal Ripken, Jr., and Bill Russell as the most overrated athletes of our time.Those types can be safely ignored. There's smart, reasonable fans and then there's the idiots. It's just a sport so idiots can say whatever but we know better.
There's people who think LeBron James isn't great, that Aaron Rodgers isn't great....hell HammerDown doesn't think Tom Brady was any good LOL
Yeah, that's exactly what I think.He also thinks the Patriots front office conspired to cover up Hernandez being a mass murderer and intentionally rewarded him tens of millions for being a murderer. Then, they had him killed in prison because he "knew too much". lol
So, yeah...
I have Tom Brady, Cal Ripken, Jr., and Bill Russell as the most overrated athletes of our time.
its funny how for certain arguments qb wins are a team thing, and for other guys, we point to their record.........im not disagreeing with you FWIW, just pointing that out.It's a team sport. Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer each won Superbowls as QBs. Dan Marino didn't.
Was literally never even the best player on his own team. Was utterly dominated his entire career by Wilt. Was pedestrian offensively and mediocre defensively, in an era of 6' 5" power forwards, set shots and underhanded free throws.Bill Russell for the win.
We should get that thread going. That'll keep us busy for a few weeks.I'd go with Kobe, Eric Dickerson & Mike Trout.
Actually you might have a point. I would add Michael Jordan to the list.I have Tom Brady, Cal Ripken, Jr., and Bill Russell as the most overrated athletes of our time.
Fair enough, but you can factor it in to determining if a QB is at least effective and gets the job done. Marino was obviously an all time great and it's not his fault he didn't win a Superbowl and Dilfer did. But then again, if a mediocre QB is playing instead of JG, does their team have a 21-5 record and a SB appearance? I say no, I say he's pretty good. Not great (yet, could happen) but better than all but 7-8 of the guys out there now.its funny how for certain arguments qb wins are a team thing, and for other guys, we point to their record.........im not disagreeing with you FWIW, just pointing that out.
Perfect example is Jimmy G, no im not getting back into that convo again. But an argument i frequently hear from people(not just 49'er fans) is his record. But in the next breath, we will say that wins are a team thing........
Was literally never even the best player on his own team. Was utterly dominated his entire career by Wilt. Was pedestrian offensively and mediocre defensively, in an era of 6' 5" power forwards, set shots and underhanded free throws.
"But the rings!"
Yeah, in a league of 12 teams (like the Williamsport Barnburners) rigged by Red Auerbach to funnel all the talent to him.
But anyway, don't get me started.
Undeniable. And he was consistently good for a very long time.He was the defensive backbone of the greatest dynasty in NBA history.
...against 6' 5" power forwards. How did he do against Wilt and the others listed?And one helluva defender.
Great, so we've just proven that Bill Russell isn't the greatest basketball player ever.Wilt dominated everyone, not just Russell.