Interesting Thoughts On AP

[Greg]

Simply put, I am giving my opinion on what I THINK we will do.

I'm not here insulting anyone that doesn't agree with me. Truth is I really don't care one way or the other.......YOU are here proposing all kinds of scenarios that are not very likely to occur.

We probably go BPA in the first but I think the Cowboys have legit interest in Gordon, and if he's there they probably take him.

I guess we'll all find out soon enough. Overall I think the point is they really don't want to pay that much for a RB.

"Proposing all kinds of scenarios" lol. I am merely defending a position here that there is a possibility that AP will be put on the trading block either before or during the draft, and that this team will have some interest obviously if that were to occur because of the tenuous status of their RB situation right now, and Jerry's mutual and shared interest with AP in him playing for this team. Nothing more. It's you yahoos here that are choosing to take it further then that with your assumptions of what will happen already and your tea leaf readings. Just because they may have interest in Gordon, doesn't somehow make that "more of a reality" of happening, just because you say so lol. They may not have wanted to pay Murray $8Mil a season, do you already know for sure that they wouldn't pay AP that amount if he became available? Ofcourse not, your just speculating here like everyone else. What I do know is that the Vikes have said they they wouldn't trade a player before in the past, and ended up trading him a month later...so what makes you sure something won't happen before it has even had a chance to progress?? Speculation??

Never said that he would be traded to this team either, just that teams posture through the media daily, and to just base all your opinions and beliefs on words designed for media consumption and public disinformation to build trade value, isn't very wise. Zim just said that they currently had "no plans" to trade AP, does that sound like a "we will never trade him ever" statement to you? He could be traded to any team, not just Dallas...that's what many of you here fail to understand with your assumptions of what I really mean or is posting about here.

 

[starbigd]

"Proposing all kinds of scenarios" lol. I am merely defending a position here that there is a possibility that AP will be put on the trading block either before or during the draft, and that this team will have some interest obviously if that were to occur because of the tenuous status of their RB situation right now, and Jerry's mutual and shared interest with AP in him playing for this team. Nothing more. It's you yahoos here that are choosing to take it further then that with your assumptions of what will happen already and your tea leaf readings. Just because they may have interest in Gordon, doesn't somehow make that "more of a reality" of happening, just because you say so lol. They may not have wanted to pay Murray $8Mil a season, do you already know for sure that they wouldn't pay AP that amount if he became available? Ofcourse not, your just speculating here like everyone else. What I do know is that the Vikes have said they they wouldn't trade a player before in the past, and ended up trading him a month later...so what makes you sure something won't happen before it has even had a chance to progress?? Speculation??

Never said that he would be traded to this team either, just that teams posture through the media daily, and to just base all your opinions and beliefs on words designed for media consumption and public disinformation to build trade value, isn't very wise. Zim just said that they currently had "no plans" to trade AP, does that sound like a "we will never trade him ever" statement to you? He could be traded to any team, not just Dallas...that's what many of you here fail to understand with your assumptions of what I really mean or is posting about here.

There is no doubt Jerry has interest in AP. No one is debating that.
There is no doubt AP doesn't want to play in Minny, and is trying to force his way out.

However, the Cowboys have made it CLEAR they aren't interested in overpaying for the RB position.

There is a VAST difference in what is POSSIBLE and what is PROBABLE. You seem to have a problem discerning the difference in the two.

If Gordon dropped to Dallas in the first round, it's PROBABLE they'd draft him. If AP was put on the trading block, it's POSSIBLE Dallas would make an inquiry, but NOT probable they'd make a trade unless there are certain prereqs met - meaning the price has to be low, most likely lower than a 2nd rd pick, and the contract has to be renegotiated. These are very real blocks to any possible deal that you seem to just dismiss as if they don't matter when they clearly do.

 

[UK Cowboy]

"Proposing all kinds of scenarios" lol. I am merely defending a position here that there is a possibility that AP will be put on the trading block either before or during the draft, and that this team will have some interest obviously if that were to occur because of the tenuous status of their RB situation right now, and Jerry's mutual and shared interest with AP in him playing for this team. Nothing more. It's you yahoos here that are choosing to take it further then that with your assumptions of what will happen already and your tea leaf readings. Just because they may have interest in Gordon, doesn't somehow make that "more of a reality" of happening, just because you say so lol. They may not have wanted to pay Murray $8Mil a season, do you already know for sure that they wouldn't pay AP that amount if he became available? Ofcourse not, your just speculating here like everyone else. What I do know is that the Vikes have said they they wouldn't trade a player before in the past, and ended up trading him a month later...so what makes you sure something won't happen before it has even had a chance to progress?? Speculation??

Never said that he would be traded to this team either, just that teams posture through the media daily, and to just base all your opinions and beliefs on words designed for media consumption and public disinformation to build trade value, isn't very wise. Zim just said that they currently had "no plans" to trade AP, does that sound like a "we will never trade him ever" statement to you? He could be traded to any team, not just Dallas...that's what many of you here fail to understand with your assumptions of what I really mean or is posting about here.

So......AP becomes available, Dallas gives up their 1st round pick who could be a cornerstone player(again, the last 5 years the Cowboys have drafted 4 Pro Bowlers in the 1st round, Martin, Fredrick, Smith and Dez) for a 30 year old RB. Then pay him $10-12 million a year(he's not taking a pay cut. So in addition to giving up a young starting DT or Corner, the Cowboys will be on the hook for a combined $20 million+ next season to a very soon to be over the hill RB and a DE who may or may not play, both of whom are one false step away from a year long ban. Brilliant

 

[cowboycolors]

"He could be traded to any team, not just Dallas...that's what many of you here fail to understand with your assumptions of what I really mean or is posting about here"

Sure he could be traded to any team. But why are you posting ad nauseam about a possibility that he could come to Dallas when everything you see printed about the Cowboys shows he would not be a fit due to the financial issues. Let alone the FACT he is 30. And Before you start about Jerry could sign him yes he could. But do you know that they would be willing to pay him 8 million a year ? No you don't. The possibility remains that he could come to Dallas yes WE GET THAT.

The greater possibility is that he wont come to Dallas. Do I know that for fact NO I don't. Simple math shows 30 other teams are a possibility also. Minnesota knows for sure he is under contact to play for them. Minnesota might play hard ball and say AP you play for us or your career is over. Will they do that I don't know and neither do you or anybody else.

How many times can you say the same thing over and over and over. Your obsession with AP is noted and everybody on the board knows your position.
To keep pounding a opinion that might be possible but is unlikely is the epitome of being obstinate.

How about this If AP comes to the Cowboys we anoint you AP High Priest!!!! Everybody will Throw accolades that Greg knew he was coming and he defended the AP to Dallas Thread!

Until that happens would you share some of your vaunted Football Knowledge on other subjects here on the Cowboys board, General SportsHoopla Board. We cant wait to be enlightened!


JMHO

 

[PDay8810]

"How about this If AP comes to the Cowboys we anoint you AP High Priest!!!! Everybody will Throw accolades that Greg knew he was coming and he defended the AP to Dallas Thread! "

Way too funny

 

[Greg]

There is no doubt Jerry has interest in AP. No one is debating that.
There is no doubt AP doesn't want to play in Minny, and is trying to force his way out.

However, the Cowboys have made it CLEAR they aren't interested in overpaying for the RB position.

There is a VAST difference in what is POSSIBLE and what is PROBABLE. You seem to have a problem discerning the difference in the two.

If Gordon dropped to Dallas in the first round, it's PROBABLE they'd draft him. If AP was put on the trading block, it's POSSIBLE Dallas would make an inquiry, but NOT probable they'd make a trade unless there are certain prereqs met - meaning the price has to be low, most likely lower than a 2nd rd pick, and the contract has to be renegotiated. These are very real blocks to any possible deal that you seem to just dismiss as if they don't matter when they clearly do.

Fair enough. Your argument here seems reasonable considering the current state of affairs and thinking within the Cowboys' organization.....however

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. If Jerry believes that he can get AP at a reasonable price in his mind, I am confident that he will explore those options. You just can't compare AP to Murray and what Jerry might or might not be be willing to spend for perhaps the greatest RB of our time, that would certainly take this team to another level as immediate SB contenders (versus some completely unknown crap shoot rookie system RB in this draft)..after almost two decades of mediocrity and irrelevancy, he has been beaten down. How do you even put a price tag on Jerry's desire to prove to the rest of the football world that he knows what he's doing (and his ego) before he has to retire, and under a Romo two to three year win now window, and that dollars are the only thing that matters to him now and will be some roadblock? That is where I think your reasoning and others here, just simply fall apart. You are willing to just base your postion on strictly cap numbers (that can be manipulated easily) and just team spending and some new spending mantra, versus , Jerry's proven phyche.

 

[Manster7588]

Fair enough. Your argument here seems reasonable considering the current state of affairs and thinking within the Cowboys' organization.....however

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. If Jerry believes that he can get AP at a reasonable price in his mind, I am confident that he will explore those options. You just can't compare AP to Murray and what Jerry might or might not be be willing to spend for perhaps the greatest RB of our time, that would certainly take this team to another level as immediate SB contenders (versus some completely unknown crap shoot rookie system RB in this draft)..after almost two decades of mediocrity and irrelevancy, he has been beaten down. How do you even put a price tag on Jerry's desire to prove to the rest of the football world that he knows what he's doing (and his ego) before he has to retire, and under a Romo two to three year win now window, and that dollars are the only thing that matters to him now and will be some roadblock? That is where I think your reasoning and others here, just simply fall apart. You are willing to just base your postion on strictly cap numbers (that can be manipulated easily) on just team spending and some new team spending mantra, versus , Jerry's proven phyche.

Wow!!!! I thought you finally got it, then you continued on. Funny that you say others have no clue, when if you said that same thing while pointing in a mirror you'd be right on point.

 

[Greg]

Btw, I have decided to ignore the haters here, as they really lack any real football intelligence or debating skills, and only seek to gain self-gratification of their faulty opinions and of themselves here.


Starbigd, thanks for the intelligent input and debate.

That is all.

 

[cowboycolors]

Btw, I have decided to ignore the haters here, as they really lack any real football intelligence or debating skills, and only seek to gain self-gratification of their faulty opinions and of themselves here.


Starbigd, thanks for the intelligent input and debate.

That is all.

Greg your statement says it all.

Nobody wants to try to debate a obstinate holier than thou I know better than everyone else know it all!

"as you really lack any real football intelligence or debating skills, and only seek to gain self-gratification of your faulty opinions of yourself here."

Changed to fit you like a glove Greg

JMHO

 

[Greg]

There is no doubt Jerry has interest in AP. No one is debating that.
There is no doubt AP doesn't want to play in Minny, and is trying to force his way out.

However, the Cowboys have made it CLEAR they aren't interested in overpaying for the RB position.

There is a VAST difference in what is POSSIBLE and what is PROBABLE. You seem to have a problem discerning the difference in the two.

If Gordon dropped to Dallas in the first round, it's PROBABLE they'd draft him. If AP was put on the trading block, it's POSSIBLE Dallas would make an inquiry, but NOT probable they'd make a trade unless there are certain prereqs met - meaning the price has to be low, most likely lower than a 2nd rd pick, and the contract has to be renegotiated. These are very real blocks to any possible deal that you seem to just dismiss as if they don't matter when they clearly do.

Btw, I completely disagree with your theory here that if Gordon drops to the 27th pick in draft, it is "probable" that they take him. That is just pure speculation that is unfounded in reality or "probability". You have absolutely no knowledge of their draft thinking here, which makes not only your point of view suspect, but most others here as well. You all (most of you anyway) base your opinions and logic on mostly feelings and opinions, and not in reality of having any real inside knowledge of the team's actual thinking...that is why I seriously question your motives and debating skills here. There mostly based on preconceived notions and feelings, and not in reality. I actually find most of your opinions here pretty self-serving and amusing.

 

[jarntt]

What is with these bizarre, randomly placed LOLs in the middle of your diatribes???

Honest question. Do you know what LOL means? Because either you don't know what it means, you don't know how to use it, or you are Totally mentally ill.

 

[jarntt]

How many times can you say the same thing over and over and over. Your obsession with AP is noted and everybody on the board knows your position.
To keep pounding a opinion that might be possible but is unlikely is the epitome of being obstinate.

I lost count at 37,562...

 

[starbigd]

I'll say it again......probability vs possibility

It's obvious. You just CHOOSE not to see it.

Dallas hasn't pursued a top end RB since.......???

You have made this assumption that Jerry covets AP as much as you do, and is willing to pay his ridiculous contract, based on.......???

Yet we KNOW he's willing to draft RBs every few years in lower rounds.

So YES, it's PROBABLE that Jerry takes Gordon IF he drops to us. It is MUCH MORE probable that that happens over him trading picks PLUS paying the exorbitant salary of AP, as well as dealing with no cap space, and being unable to get the defensive help he knows he needs.

This isn't rocket science. YES its all speculation......but the odds are much higher, and common sense tells us as well, that there is LITTLE chance Dallas pursues AP - especially at his age. If he were say 27 I'd be more inclined to agree with you.

At 30? At that price? PLUS picks? C'mon man.......you can't be serious.

Dallas WILL make the smarter choice.......take a low cost rookie, run by committee, and depend on the OL to make holes. They seem to grasp that if you are solid on the OL and DL, you'll win regardless of who is in the backfield.

Very FEW times in the last decade or so has a leading rusher in the NFL seen or even SNIFFED the SB, which is why the position is devalued.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Fair enough. Your argument here seems reasonable considering the current state of affairs and thinking within the Cowboys' organization.....however

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. If Jerry believes that he can get AP at a reasonable price in his mind, I am confident that he will explore those options. You just can't compare AP to Murray and what Jerry might or might not be be willing to spend for perhaps the greatest RB of our time, that would certainly take this team to another level as immediate SB contenders (versus some completely unknown crap shoot rookie system RB in this draft)..after almost two decades of mediocrity and irrelevancy, he has been beaten down. How do you even put a price tag on Jerry's desire to prove to the rest of the football world that he knows what he's doing (and his ego) before he has to retire, and under a Romo two to three year win now window, and that dollars are the only thing that matters to him now and will be some roadblock? That is where I think your reasoning and others here, just simply fall apart. You are willing to just base your postion on strictly cap numbers (that can be manipulated easily) and just team spending and some new spending mantra, versus , Jerry's proven phyche.

So absurd. ''You can't compare AP to Murray''.....well I sure can.
First comparison is age. Murray will be 27 next season. AP will be 30. Huge edge Murray
2nd comparison.....Murray has never been suspended by the league. Huge edge Murray
Murray makes $8 million per. Peterson makes $12 million per. Advantage, team that has Murray
Murray played out his contract with class, wanted to remain a Cowboy, and then went for fair value on the open market. AP has several years left on his deal, contributed jack shit to his team last year, and is now whining about the team not having his back. Huge edge Murray
The Cowboys could have kept Murray by simply paying him. They would have to give up a high draft pick to get AP. Edge Murray
We aren't talking about a 27 year old AP. Stat lines for both guys last full season(throw out AP's 21 for 75 last season)....
Murray-392 carries 1845 yards 4.7 YPC 12 TD's.....AP-279 carries 1266 yards 4.5 YPC 10 TD's Huge edge Murray

You're right Greg, there's no comparison. Is Murray better than the AP from 3-4 years ago? Probably not, but neither is AP. Murray isn't better than a 27 year old Jim Brown or Barry Sanders either, but what difference does it make? AP might have another good year or two left, maybe. Quit living in the past dude

 

[es4m11]

Wow, this is some crazy shit....

I can't get over the hypocrisy in this thread. LOL!!

Someone, who will remain nameless **cough - GREG - cough**, is seriously delusional.

 

[PDay8810]

LOL
some just know how to work a room

good job...and in less than 30 days
NOW!!... that's agenda

ONWARD

 

[jarntt]

Wow, this is some crazy shit....

I can't get over the hypocrisy in this thread. LOL!!

Someone, who will remain nameless **cough - GREG - cough**, is seriously delusional.

This one honestly made me laugh. 'Your argument seems reasonable, however, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about!!!' It's more than hypocrisy, it's Schizophrenia. I'm thinking he actually takes off a hat or pair of glasses halfway through the post and the "other Greg" starts typing:

"Fair enough. Your argument here seems reasonable considering the current state of affairs and thinking within the Cowboys' organization.....however

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. "

 

[es4m11]

i love it how Greg goes into these long monologues of what he would do if he were AP. There's at least 20 paragraphs of him telling the world what he would if he were AP. That takes the cake for me.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

What is with these bizarre, randomly placed LOLs in the middle of your diatribes???

Honest question. Do you know what LOL means? Because either you don't know what it means, you don't know how to use it, or you are Totally mentally ill.

"Bob, I'll take door number 3!"

 

[jarntt]

i love it how Greg goes into these long monologues of what he would do if he were AP. There's at least 20 paragraphs of him telling the world what he would if he were AP. That takes the cake for me.

I was really thinking that he is single handedly ruining the Board, but now I'm starting to think that if we just take him for what he really is (like the crazy guy every Town has on the corner that has been talking to himself for 20 years) and wait excitedly for his next post with a bag of popcorn and get ready for the lunacy that it's sure to be chock full of, it could be the best thing for this place. I wonder if he acts out his posts in his padded room while he's writing them. It's better than movie night!!! People could come from all over the internet just to see what he says next!!!