If every team in your division merged to make a super team

[HaroldSeattle]

And FYI -- i thought Seattle AND San Francisco had great defenses last year. With the current rules in place -- it doesn't matter how good you are, the rules give offenses a huge advantage.

It is the only reason I have said the NFCN would outscore the NFCW. If you lined up the exact same players for both teams and used the NFL rules from 10-15 years ago -- I'd take the NFCW in a heartbeat. Defensive players can't look at a player the wrong way without getting flagged or fined by the NFL. THAT is why you QBs like Brees, Brady and even Stafford passing for 5000 yards in a season. THAT is why you see players like Calvin Johnson breaking Jerry Rice's single season record for receiving yards and Peyton Manning about to set the record for TD passes in a season.

The days of teams like the Baltimore Ravens, who dominated defensively and used Trent Dilfer at QB and asked him to just not turn the ball over will be few and far between. The NFL is an offensive league now. Having a solid defense is a must, but it most definitely isn't a necessity.

Yup they keep trying to give the advantage to the offense, but yet it's the teams with stout defenses that do better. You saw my post on the the top 5 defenses and offenses right?

You need a better QB then Dilfer now a days, but I'll point out that Russell Wilson has thrown for over 50 TDs in his first two years , all while limiting turn overs and being on a team that runs the ball has much as anyone and doesn't have WRs to write home about. Only two other QBs have thrown over 50 TDs in their first two seasons. Pretty amazing isn't it?
I know all the media heads heads want to say that it's all about the offense chucking the ball all over the field, but it's really isn't the case. You'll learn that with time.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Yeah -- Congrats on beating up on the last ranked offense in the NFL. You can add your name to the list of all the teams that have done the same this year.

Come on now, I was just giving you a example of a QB looking at a defense and going "oh shit". I certainly could point out better games like the Saints games for congrads.

 

[Stevein2012]

In 2012 look at the top 5 defense (fewest points given up).

1) Seahawks (9th offense)
2) San Fran (11th offense)
3) Bears (16th offense)
4) Broncos (2nd offense)
5) Falcons (7th offense)

As you can see 4 out 5 made the playoffs and one went to the SuperBowl

In 2012 look at the top 5 offense by points scored (you sorted these by yards)

1) Pats (9th defense)
2) Saints Denver (4th defense)
3) Lions Saints (31st defense)
4) Broncos Redskins (22nd defense)
5) Redskins Packers (11th defense)

As you can see 3 (4) out 5 made the playoffs, no Superbowl team and one of these teams also had a top five defense.

So which group is better? The group that obviously has more balanced teams.

Also the team with the 12th defense and 10th offense beat the team with the 2nd defense and 11th offense in the Superbowl.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Also the team with the 12th defense and 10th offense beat the team with the 2nd defense and 11th offense in the Superbowl.

Obviously many other factors come into play. Injuries come to mind, special teams, blown plays ( like when the Bronco's let a receiver get behind the secondary, never should of happened ). Having both a good defense and offense is ideal, but does a good offense mean having the QB throwing down field all day? I rather see a balanced offense that can run the ball and have a QB that can move the chains or throw a TD when called upon. Running the ball really helps your defense, because they get a chance to catch their breath and it wear the other team defense down. That's really is the key to the Seahawks, Panthers, and 49ers season IMO.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Obviously many other factors come into play. Injuries come to mind, special teams, blown plays ( like when the Bronco's let a receiver get behind the secondary, never should of happened ). Having both a good defense and offense is ideal, but does a good offense mean having the QB throwing down field all day? I rather see a balanced offense that can run the ball and have a QB that can move the chains or throw a TD when called upon. Running the ball really helps your defense, because they get a chance to catch their breath and it wear the other team defense down. That's really is the key to the Seahawks, Panthers, and 49ers season IMO.

I left out a big one ...turn overs.

 

[Rvnight18]

Still waiting for the north supporters to show me their oline that would be better than the west. Go position by position. Name me a LT in the north that would start over the best in the west. Hell the 49ers oline has a better LT, LG, RG, and RT than the entire north combined. I don't care what your weapons are, you can't block, you can't do shit.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

NFC North teams are ranked 4, 5, 8, 20 in yards per carry. NFC West teams are ranked 10, 12, 14, 28.
2013 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

In terms of pass blocking NFC North teams are ranked 2, 3, 13, 26. NFC West teams are ranked 16, 17, 22, 28. In terms of run blocking, NFC North teams are ranked 9, 11, 15, 25. NFC West teams are ranked 5, 12, 23, 30.
This is all according to Football Outsiders, through week 14 of the 2013 season.
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 OFFENSIVE LINES

So it looks like not only does the NFC North have better pass blocking lines than the West, it also has better run blocking lines than the West. If you want a proposed starting 5, here it is.

LT: Matt Kalil
LG: Josh Sitton
C: Dominic Raiola
RG: Kyle Long
RT: Phil Loadholt

RV this is the one and only post about the North OL, have at it! According to the poster the North is not only better at pass blocking , but better at run blocking.

 

[Wedgie]

I cant believe that a division that as a whole is under .500 is even being allowed to debate this, lol.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I know, it's hilarious. I also like the way way they say offense rules the day, especially passing offense. I blame it on being young and dumb.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I cant believe that a division that as a whole is under .500 is even being allowed to debate this, lol.

Genius -- it is an ALL STAR TEAM, not who has the better individual teams.

Aaron Rodgers plays for GREEN BAY

Adrian Peterson plays for MINNESOTA

Calvin Johnson plays for DETROIT

Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffrey play for CHICAGO

Are you catching on yet? That is arguably, the best RB, the best WR and the best QB on three DIFFERENT TEAMS, who would now be on the SAME TEAM. OF COURSE the NFCW has the better individual TEAMS. That isn't what we are talking about though.

I know, it's hilarious. I also like the way way they say offense rules the day, especially passing offense. I blame it on being young and dumb.

Explain this, since it isn't a passing league and defense wins championships. Here are the final scores of the last 5 super bowls:

34-31 -- Baltimore
21-17 -- NYG
31-25 -- Green Bay
31-17 -- New Orleans
27-23 -- Pittsburgh

Where are the defenses dominating the games?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Still waiting for the north supporters to show me their oline that would be better than the west. Go position by position. Name me a LT in the north that would start over the best in the west. Hell the 49ers oline has a better LT, LG, RG, and RT than the entire north combined. I don't care what your weapons are, you can't block, you can't do shit.

You can do the same for the offense for the NFCW. Vernon Davis is the only guy who would start on the offense of the NFCN.

 

[SJ76]

Defenses may not have dominated in some of those playoff games last year, but you had 2 young QBs on 2 NFC West teams that hadn't been to the show yet. Baltimore, ATL both had been in the playoffs in recent years and have the experience which is huge. Last year the San Fran and Seattle defenses were really good. Were they '85 Bears good or 2002 Ravens good or 2001? Bucs good? I don't think so.. not yet.

Let's see how it plays out this year. 3 teams look to be in the playoffs from the NFC West and the sole reason NFC West teams are doing so well if because of the stout defenses/physical play in the division.

We can sit here and debate this forever, but I think we all agree that it would be one hell of a game and fun to watch. I personally think that some of the NFC North squad would end up on crutches, but that's my opinion.

 

[SJ76]

Playoffs last year:

Seattle 24 @ Redskins 14 -> Washington scored 14 points in the 1stQ and then were shutout at home the rest of the game.

Seattle 28 @ ATL 30 -> 27-7 ATL going into the 4thQ.

San Fran 45 - Green Bay 31 -> Both QBs had a field day.

San Fran 28 @ ATL 24 -> 24-14 ATL at halftime, then the Falcons were shutout in the 2nd half at Home.

San Fran 31 Balt 34 -> Ravens jumped out to a quick lead from San Fran penalties and turnovers (lack of experience). San Fran held Balt to 2.7/rushing and Jacoby Jones had a 108 yard kickoff TD. So it's not like the Ravens came out and put on a clinic offensively.

As you can see, consistency was a problem for the Seattle and San Fran D. I see that changing this year with more experience after last year + the Cardinals will be in the playoffs too. We shall see.

 

[SonnyCID]

Explain this, since it isn't a passing league and defense wins championships. Here are the final scores of the last 5 super bowls:

34-31 -- Baltimore
21-17 -- NYG
31-25 -- Green Bay
31-17 -- New Orleans
27-23 -- Pittsburgh

Where are the defenses dominating the games?

3 of those winners had défensive tds in the sb (gb, no, pit) and another held their opponents to an average of 14 points throughout their run(nyg). But yeah, the offense is all that matters.

 

[Jim Rome is Flaming]

I dont even know how any team in the nfcn ever loses à game with àll that offensive talent.

Maybe because it's spread out between all 4 teams. The NFCN starting offense wouldn't have more than 3 players from any team. Also take into consideration the fact that the packers and bears have both lost major pieces to injury, and still have been able to stay in the playoff hunt.

 

[Jim Rome is Flaming]

Playoffs last year:

Seattle 24 @ Redskins 14 -> Washington scored 14 points in the 1stQ and then were shutout at home the rest of the game.

Seattle 28 @ ATL 30 -> 27-7 ATL going into the 4thQ.

San Fran 45 - Green Bay 31 -> Both QBs had a field day.

San Fran 28 @ ATL 24 -> 24-14 ATL at halftime, then the Falcons were shutout in the 2nd half at Home.

San Fran 31 Balt 34 -> Ravens jumped out to a quick lead from San Fran penalties and turnovers (lack of experience). San Fran held Balt to 2.7/rushing and Jacoby Jones had a 108 yard kickoff TD. So it's not like the Ravens came out and put on a clinic offensively.

As you can see, consistency was a problem for the Seattle and San Fran D. I see that changing this year with more experience after last year + the Cardinals will be in the playoffs too. We shall see.

I highly doubt the Cardinals make the playoffs with the schedule they have remaining. I don't see them going better than 1-1 with games against SEA and SF, which leaves the Panthers needing only one win to lock up a playoff spot, and they play ATL in week 17.

 

[RoboticDreams]

This thread has run it's course. It's done.

 

[Octoberfest23]

Not yet!

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

3 of those winners had défensive tds in the sb (gb, no, pit) and another held their opponents to an average of 14 points throughout their run(nyg). But yeah, the offense is all that matters.

Sonny,

Does this work for you? The NFCW would hold Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffrey to zero receptions. The NFCW will completely shut down Adrian Peterson and hold him to negative rushing yards. Finally, Aaron Rodgers will be sacked on any play he drops back to pass, because the NFCW is the greatest defense ever assembled.

Final Score -- NFCW 63 NFCN 0

 

[SonnyCID]

Sonny,

Does this work for you? The NFCW would hold Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffrey to zero receptions. The NFCW will completely shut down Adrian Peterson and hold him to negative rushing yards. Finally, Aaron Rodgers will be sacked on any play he drops back to pass, because the NFCW is the greatest defense ever assembled.

Final Score -- NFCW 63 NFCN 0

Yeah thats more like it....

Lol, sorry my fact pissed you off about défensive contributions of those championship teams. Guess i should have just let you go on thinking that the offenses won by themselves