If every team in your division merged to make a super team

[Rvnight18]

You can do the same for the offense for the NFCW. Vernon Davis is the only guy who would start on the offense of the NFCN.

Nobody is claiming the west has the better skill players on offense. However the north is saying their oline is better. Which is not even close. You can have all the skill guys you want. You have no oline. Don't care who your QB is, they will get pounded. No oline, no offense. End. Of. Story.

 

[Blaise Winter]

I like how the West wonks are unable to put their heads around the concept of this thread even after 27 pages. This isn't about team vs. team or conference vs. conference, it's about fielding all-star squads drawing across all 4 divisional teams. How hard is that to understand? Yet STILL there are weak-ass arguments talking about which TEAMS have better records. Seriously - that has nothing to do with this thread at all!

 

[packfancjh]

The o lines in the NFCN are good enough to have a helping hand in getting 4 running backs into the top 11 backs in the league and 4 receivers in the top 12 of all receivers. I'd say they can handle their own

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Yeah thats more like it....

Lol, sorry my fact pissed you off about défensive contributions of those championship teams. Guess i should have just let you go on thinking that the offenses won by themselves

I now see the light. The 7 other divisions could put together an all star team and the NFCW would still shut them out. The NFCW is the greatest division of individual talent ever assembled in NFL history. It is amazing they haven't won a Super Bowl since the 1999 season.

 

[PackMaster]

Nobody is claiming the west has the better skill players on offense. However the north is saying their oline is better. Which is not even close. You can have all the skill guys you want. You have no oline. Don't care who your QB is, they will get pounded. No oline, no offense. End. Of. Story.

No oline? They have a pretty damn good oline with a collection of all 4 teams, get a clue moron.

 

[SonnyCID]

I now see the light. The 7 other divisions could put together an all star team and the NFCW would still shut them out. The NFCW is the greatest division of individual talent ever assembled in NFL history. It is amazing they haven't won a Super Bowl since the 1999 season.

I just pointed out that the defenses played a major role in those championship games by putting points in the board. I could do a douchy little thing like you're doing to and say, "Oh, now I see the light. QBs and skill position players win games on all by themselves". But before I stooped to that, I would decide that this thread really has run its course.

 

[PackMaster]

Yes defense is important and the D assembled from the nfc north would still have plenty enough talent to shut down russel or kaep and a so so receiving crew, the d line would be very good and able to contain lynch.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I just pointed out that the defenses played a major role in those championship games by putting points in the board. I could do a douchy little thing like you're doing to and say, "Oh, now I see the light. QBs and skill position players win games on all by themselves". But before I stooped to that, I would decide that this thread really has run its course.

Sonny,

My issue with you is -- You CANNOT grasp the fact that it would be an all-star game and has nothing to do with individual teams in each division.

You also cannot grasp the fact the NFL is set up now to favor the offense tremendously, especially QBs and WRs. The 1st 60 years in the NFL -- they had exactly one QB that threw for 5000 yards. The last 5 years -- there have been five 5,000 yard passing seasons.

In the last 2 years -- QBs have accounted for 9 of the top 12 single seasons passing totals in NFL HISTORY.

Prior to the last 5 years -- ONE QB had throw for more than 4803 yards in a season (Dan Marino in 1984). Since then, EIGHT DIFFERENT QBs have thrown for more than 4803 yards in a season:
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Kurt Warner
Matt Stafford (2 times)
Drew Brees (3 times)
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady (3 times)

But you keep telling yourself the NFL isn't setup for the offense to succeed and defense is what wins championships.

 

[SonnyCID]

Sonny,

My issue with you is -- You CANNOT grasp the fact that it would be an all-star game and has nothing to do with individual teams in each division.

You also cannot grasp the fact the NFL is set up now to favor the offense tremendously, especially QBs and WRs. The 1st 60 years in the NFL -- they had exactly one QB that threw for 5000 yards. The last 5 years -- there have been five 5,000 yard passing seasons.

In the last 2 years -- QBs have accounted for 9 of the top 12 single seasons passing totals in NFL HISTORY.

Prior to the last 5 years -- ONE QB had throw for more than 4803 yards in a season (Dan Marino in 1984). Since then, EIGHT DIFFERENT QBs have thrown for more than 4803 yards in a season:
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Kurt Warner
Matt Stafford (2 times)
Drew Brees (3 times)
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady (3 times)

But you keep telling yourself the NFL isn't setup for the offense to succeed and defense is what wins championships.

And you refuse to grasp the advantage of great defensive depth and rotation.

And you refuse to accept that the D-line for the NFCN would be good, but it would also not have anywhere near the rotational value, or youth for that matter since half of that "great" line is on their last leg as players.

The NFCN offense would be awesome, but the NFCW offense would be able to move the ball on that defense just as well against that defense.... To think that they wouldn't have a chance simply because the NFCN offense is so formidable? That's severely overvaluing the NFCN defense.

I dont have a problem with you man. This is getting crazy. You think that the NFCN would own the NFCW, and I think that they can more than hold their own. That's it.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I dont have a problem with you man. This is getting crazy. You think that the NFCN would own the NFCW, and I think that they can more than hold their own. That's it.

NOWHERE will you find me saying the NFCN would own the NFCW in this entire thread. I simply said the NFCN would outscore the NFCW, due to the fact they have Rodgers, Peterson and Megatron, along with all the other pieces offensively. I've said repeatedly the NFCW has, by far, the best defense. I've also said if it was 10-15 years ago, before the NFL passed all the rules they have now, I'd take the NFCW in a heartbeat.

When you have the best RB and the best WR paired with a 6'3" and 6'4" WR, and a QB, who could be considered the best QB in the NFL and 2nd most accurate passer in NFL history -- with today's NFL rules -- it'd be impossible to stop. You can say they'd have no time to throw the ball, but one of the easiest positions to fill would be OL to pass block. Run blocking takes much more skill than pass blocking.

I don't know how much more I would have to spell it out for you. Does the NFCW have the best defense, by far, for any division? Yes. Does the NFCN have the best skilled position players in the NFL? Yes. Does the NFL have rules in place that overwhelmingly favor the offense right now? Yes.

It is quite simple -- who do you double cover on offense? Calvin. OK -- now you have a 6'3" and 6'4" WR being single covered, where they can't lay a finger on them after 5 yards, without being flagged. If the NFCN wants to run the ball, they have the best RB in the NFL, who would be running against a 7 man front (he has averaged 5.4 yards against 8 men fronts this year). If the NFCN wanted to throw the ball to a RB, they have two of the best receiving RBs in the NFL in Matt Forte and Reggie Bush.

The weapons are obnoxious for the NFCN and with the rules the NFL has in place, it isn't even fair for the defense. If I had to choose which divisions had the best teams? It'd be the NFCW BY A MILE. If I had to choose an all-star though -- how do you defend the best QB, RB and WR in today's NFL?

How about this. If the game was played in Seattle -- I'd take the NFCW to win, because of the noise of the fans. If it was played anywhere else -- I'd take the NFCN to outscore the NFCW.

 

[RoboticDreams]

This thread has run it's course. It's done.

Nobody listened to me.

 

[SJ76]

Yeah NFC West D wouldnt stand a chance. Lmao

 

[SJ76]

Best offense in the NFL with a big goose egg still.

Seattle is punishing Denver

 

[SonnyCID]

Yeah NFC West D wouldnt stand a chance. Lmao

Nice bump.

 

[SJ76]

Throw in a few San Fran LBs, Patrick Peterson, and a few a Rams D-line guys to Seattle's D and SORRY..

You ain't scoring a lot of points.

I hope you can finally understand. GREAT defenses dominate great offenses.

No offensive player likes getting drilled over and over and over

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Throw in a few San Fran LBs, Patrick Peterson, and a few a Rams D-line guys to Seattle's D and SORRY..

You ain't scoring a lot of points.

I hope you can finally understand. GREAT defenses dominate great offenses.

No offensive player likes getting drilled over and over and over

We tried to explain it to them, didn't we. Perhaps their starting to understand.

 

[SJ76]

1 more thing..... The super bowl this year was the NFC championship. And the real question is: if Colin Kaep doesn't have 3 turnovers late in that game and San Fran wins, do they go on and beat the broncos ass too?

 

[geezer]

1 more thing..... The super bowl this year was the NFC championship. And the real question is: if Colin Kaep doesn't have 3 turnovers late in that game and San Fran wins, do they go on and beat the broncos ass too?

Of course! It would be a blow out of similar proportion. SF and SEA are mirrors of each other. SF has a better pass rush, SEA has a better set of defensive backs, but it is pretty close.

 

[SJ76]

Indeed. The NFC west played a physical style of play this year that I haven't seen since the Ravens and steelers were slapping each other in the face years ago.

So many flags this year in those games. So in Your face physical. It was gladiator-like.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Indeed. The NFC west played a physical style of play this year that I haven't seen since the Ravens and steelers were slapping each other in the face years ago.

So many flags this year in those games. So in Your face physical. It was gladiator-like.

Our kind of football SJ76.