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I don't like dipoto anymore

PolarVortex

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I dunno. Miley was pretty good after a terrible stretch to start the year. Bullpen arms are seldom consistent.
Not really. After his lovely 8.62 ERA in April, he put up a couple decent months. Then it was:
5.30 ERA in July
4.31 ERA in August
3.97 ERA in September.

And in case you were wondering, this isn't the steroid era anymore. A 3.97/4.31 ERA are not good. They are below average. Considerably below average.

And Brady fucking sucks.
 

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Not really. After his lovely 8.62 ERA in April, he put up a couple decent months. Then it was:
5.30 ERA in July
4.31 ERA in August
3.97 ERA in September.

And in case you were wondering, this isn't the steroid era anymore. A 3.97/4.31 ERA are not good. They are below average. Considerably below average.

And Brady fucking sucks.

So, what are your feelings about Brady?
 

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The difference between Miley and Elias, what little there is, is not worth the price of Carson Smith. His slider eats Mike Trout alive. you guys are going to learn to like him real quick.

And Brady fucking sucks.

Elias hasn't really shown much. He hasn't even been league average. He might be a bullpen guy, but I doubt they put him in the rotation. He's probably just depth for now. Miley has had some good moments(in ARZ). Don't write him off yet.

I don't know much about Carson Smith. I'll have to take your word for it. His numbers are insane, but RP's can be a crapshoot from 1 year to the next.
 

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I dunno. Miley was pretty good after a terrible stretch to start the year. Bullpen arms are seldom consistent.

But bullpen arms like his are running about 3 years and $21-$24M. To replace him is impossible with our crappy payroll limit. Elias is Miley so why throw in Smith? Ara better be the next coming of Roger Clemens or we got taken....again.
 

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Not really. After his lovely 8.62 ERA in April, he put up a couple decent months. Then it was:
5.30 ERA in July
4.31 ERA in August
3.97 ERA in September.

And in case you were wondering, this isn't the steroid era anymore. A 3.97/4.31 ERA are not good. They are below average. Considerably below average.

And Brady fucking sucks.

I'm not going to defend Miley, but he definitely DID get better as the year progressed. He's your #4 or #5 starter and he'll pitch around 200 innings for reasonable money. This isn't a terrible deal for SEA.

Brady=#1!!!!
 

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Dipoto liked the Lowe/Varitek for Slocumb trade for the Mariners as well.
 

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I go way back with Mr. Vortex. Let him pile on. Pats fans deserve it today....

It wasn't bad enough we handed you (literally) the Super Bowl, but now give up our best pen arm for Wiley Coyote? Your area must love us in the NW.
 

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But bullpen arms like his are running about 3 years and $21-$24M. To replace him is impossible with our crappy payroll limit. Elias is Miley so why throw in Smith? Ara better be the next coming of Roger Clemens or we got taken....again.

I guess I believe that Miley can be/is better than Elias. But you need the guy from 2012 & 2013. Bullpen guys can come out of nowhere. Look at a guy like Wade Davis, for example. He went from a mediocre starter to Goose Gossage overnight. Dipoto must have some tricks up his sleeve to fill the bullpen.
 

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Dipoto liked the Lowe/Varitek for Slocumb trade for the Mariners as well.

Classic! And, at the time, it was the Mariners trading Jose Cruz Jr. that everyone thought was the bad deal.
 

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I guess I believe that Miley can be/is better than Elias. But you need the guy from 2012 & 2013. Bullpen guys can come out of nowhere. Look at a guy like Wade Davis, for example. He went from a mediocre starter to Goose Gossage overnight. Dipoto must have some tricks up his sleeve to fill the bullpen.

Dipoto still works for the Angels. I just can't prove it yet.
 

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100% would rather have Elias over Miley. 100% would rather have Smith over the other pitcher. DiPoto continues to shit the bed in trades.
 

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Do the Mariners ever win a trade?

This is awful
 

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Classic! And, at the time, it was the Mariners trading Jose Cruz Jr. that everyone thought was the bad deal.

Don't remind of that one either. 2 bullpen arms for Cruz.
 

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The icing on all of it is that Miley has money coming to him

So the Sox cut payroll and get the better package of players

I dont think thats how its supposed to work
 

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i don't think perennial 200 inning starting pitchers are quite as common as others on here, but i agree completely that smith and elias are way too much for this.

this is the first really questionable trade for me. eh...i guess the 2nd. the trumbo deal was evidently to make payroll room for aoki, which is still baffling to me.
 

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I'm not going to defend Miley, but he definitely DID get better as the year progressed. He's your #4 or #5 starter and he'll pitch around 200 innings for reasonable money. This isn't a terrible deal for SEA.

Brady=#1!!!!
His ERA in April was 8.62. Of course he did better as the year progressed, but that fact doesn't really help his cause.
 

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I guess I believe that Miley can be/is better than Elias. But you need the guy from 2012 & 2013. Bullpen guys can come out of nowhere. Look at a guy like Wade Davis, for example. He went from a mediocre starter to Goose Gossage overnight. Dipoto must have some tricks up his sleeve to fill the bullpen.
I think Miley for Elias is fine. The Smith part of it is awful to me.
 
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