Horace Grant says LeBron James Miami Heat no match for Michael Jordan's Bulls

[HammerDown]

Solid post. Shaq was far too dominate anyone ever to handle.

 

[HammerDown]

MJ with the flu > Lebron

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Weighting was probably a bad word but if you are saying comparing each player and the one with the higher win share wins so in the end you have 5 players to 2 that have higher win shares, you think you have the better supporting cast when the win shares between the 2 players you are comparing are only 1% apart. If you are adding the total of win shares of all relevant players then I would probably still have a problem with that because that also has flaws.

Why don't you answer my question about the bulls having a similar record without MJ.


Also, are we talking about the 1st 3peat?

2nd 3 peat. But if you want to talk about when MJ left, they went from 1st in the division and conference to 2nd in the division and 3rd in the conference. And they lost in the conference semis. Asking why they only won 2 fewer games that year than the year before, . There are too many moving parts. But then you cannot prove the Heat would be more than 2 games worse without LBJ. That would be speculation on your part.

Look, I am just presenting raw numbers. Do the win shares between 2 players being compared only differ by 1% make one better than the other? No not really. That is why I showed the starting "other 4". It clearly favors the Bulls (1995-1996). I would think you would be ecstatic. It supports your argument so far.

But tell me about the flaws. What metric do you want? Sorry, "gut feeling" is not allowed.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Wow, what a surprise that people think that teams from the past would've beaten teams from today. I think Jesse Owens would outrun Usain Bolt. It wouldn't even be close. How about that? Even Carl Lewis would beat Bolt.

Yep.

Usain 9.58
Lewis 9.86
Owens 10.3

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[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Wow, what a surprise that people think that teams from the past would've beaten teams from today. I think Jesse Owens would outrun Usain Bolt. It wouldn't even be close. How about that? Even Carl Lewis would beat Bolt.

That"s what metrics are for. Google that shit and let us know...

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

NBA players are usually bias to their generation and for the most part it will always be like that. As much as people would like to say Jordan would beat him every time it most likely isn't true. MJ wouldn't stop Lebron and the other way around. Lebron has longer strides and is just as quick as him at his size. Yah MJ has the jumpshot over Lebron but post up MJ and he can't stop Lebron.

Anyone can see that by just looking at how they play. Outweighs him by 50 pounds

You are right a DPOY and 9 time D 1st teamer, a record that he shares with Gary Payton, can't defend.

He was an athletic, strong, skilled and quick defender that would often guard the opponent's top scorer while still lighting up the scoreboard.

He had quick hands that he used to strip the ball and cause many fast breaks. Plus his ability to block shots was awesome too. He often locked his man without a problem.

Maybe you ought to worry about LBJ stopping Jordan. He is a better shooter than LBJ and can score from anywhere even when the hand check is involved, something LBJ never had to worry about.

You might want to get your mouth of of LBJ's ballzac now...

 

[Shanemansj13]

You are right a DPOY and 9 time D 1st teamer, a record that he shares with Gary Payton, can't defend.

He was an athletic, strong, skilled and quick defender that would often guard the opponent's top scorer while still lighting up the scoreboard.

He had quick hands that he used to strip the ball and cause many fast breaks. Plus his ability to block shots was awesome too. He often locked his man without a problem.

Maybe you ought to worry about LBJ stopping Jordan. He is a better shooter than LBJ and can score from anywhere even when the hand check is involved, something LBJ never had to worry about.

You might want to get your mouth of of LBJ's ballzac now...

When MJ is under the hoop and Lebron backs him under there, where do any of these skills come in.

He was quick, Lebron is too and to reach around Lebron is harder than a normal player.

Lebron can score from anywhere, especially when he has motivation vs MJ.

You think a hand check will stop Lebron. what do you think he did in high school??

MJ is not beating him 10 out of 10., that is ridiculous and he doesn't have a chance in the post with a bruiser. He never had to guard someone that big for more than one play. Lebron guards guys quicker than him all the time.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Wow, what a surprise that people think that teams from the past would've beaten teams from today. I think Jesse Owens would outrun Usain Bolt. It wouldn't even be close. How about that? Even Carl Lewis would beat Bolt.

Highest scoring average, single season: Wilt Chamberlain, 50.4 (1961-62)
Most points, single game: Wilt Chamberlain, 100 (March 2, 1962)
Most rebounds single game: Wilt Chamberlain, 55 (Nov. 24, 1960)
Longest streak of throwing at least 1 touchdown pass per game: Johnny Unitas, 47 games (12/9/56-12/4/60)
Most interceptions in a season: Dick “Night Train” Lane, 14 (1952)
Most runs batted in (season): Lewis Robert “Hack” Wilson, 191 (1930)
Byron Nelson: 11 consecutive PGA tour victories (1945)
Just Fontaine: 13 goals for France in one FIFA World Cup finals tournament (June 8-28, 1958)

Anybody playing anything before 2001 sucked. - Robotech

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

When MJ is under the hoop and Lebron backs him under there, where do any of these skills come in.

He was quick, Lebron is too and to reach around Lebron is harder than a normal player.

Lebron can score from anywhere, especially when he has motivation vs MJ.

You think a hand check will stop Lebron. what do you think he did in high school??

MJ is not beating him 10 out of 10., that is ridiculous and he doesn't have a chance in the post with a bruiser.

You think MJ will let LBJ back him into the post?

 

[Shanemansj13]

Wilt was amzaing but he played against 6'4" white guys and Bill Russell. Let's be honest.

 

[Shanemansj13]

You think MJ will let LBJ back him into the post?

He isn't letting him, he has no choice.

I guess you love MJ so much you think he has super strength or is superman or something.

Facts are facts.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

When MJ is under the hoop and Lebron backs him under there, where do any of these skills come in.

He was quick, Lebron is too and to reach around Lebron is harder than a normal player.

Lebron can score from anywhere, especially when he has motivation vs MJ.

You think a hand check will stop Lebron. what do you think he did in high school??

MJ is not beating him 10 out of 10., that is ridiculous and he doesn't have a chance in the post with a bruiser. He never had to guard someone that big for more than one play. Lebron guards guys quicker than him all the time.

And apparently you don't understand what a hand check is. Stop no. But it gives an advantage to the defender. And MJ was a GREAT defender to begin with. MJ would keep LBJ in front of him all day long...

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Kerr didn't start for the championship bulls teams.

Sure? Who were the starters for 95-96?...

 

[Shanemansj13]

And apparently you don't understand what a hand check is. Stop no. But it gives an advantage to the defender. And MJ was a GREAT defender to begin with. MJ would keep LBJ in front of him all day long...

Ok, Lebron has a handcheck, and MJ never had someone that big and quick guarding him. Btw...Lebron is a GREAT defender (who can guard all 5 positions). More versatile.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

He isn't letting him, he has no choice.

I guess you love MJ so much you think he has super strength or is superman or something.

Facts are facts.

Link to your "fact", please.

 

[HammerDown]

Wilt was amzaing but he played against 6'4" white guys and Bill Russell. Let's be honest.

Does that guy behind Wilt look like he's 6' 4" to you? Wilt scored 100 points in one game and averaged over 50 points a game and over 27 rebounds a game FOR A WHOLE FUCKING SEASON, yet you try to dimiinish him? Unreal, man.

 

[bksballer89]

Sure? Who were the starters for 95-96?...

You clearly missed his point as it went completely went over your head. Grant was not a part of the Bulls with Kerr as his final season was 1994 so obviously Grant was talking about the 1st 3 peat

 

[HammerDown]

Ok, Lebron has a handcheck, and MJ never had someone that big and quick guarding him. Btw...Lebron is a GREAT defender (who can guard all 5 positions). More versatile.

Just wow.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Ok, Lebron has a handcheck, and MJ never had someone that big and quick guarding him. Btw...Lebron is a GREAT defender (who can guard all 5 positions). More versatile.

Then step back fade. Nothing but net. Dude, you must be a kid. Jordan was an assassin. He would make LBJ swallow his tongue. He doesn't have the killer instinct that Jordan did. LBJ may be motivated. Jordan took it personally...

And not as great a defender as Jordan. 10 years in who has a DPOY and 9 1st D teams? Hint, it isn't LBJ...

 

[Shanemansj13]

Link to your "fact", please.

6'6" 215

Michael Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

6'8" 250

LeBron James - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But but but MJ is superhuman and can stop a freight train, especially in the post!