Hey, guess who just threw his hat into the Eagles coaching circus?

[j_y19]

My concern with Robert has nothing to do with his talent, or intelligence or commitment. He has loads in all those categories. My concern is his health. He will always be injured. His body is not made to be an NFL QB. I won't be surprised in he is not even in the league in 3 years.

 

[Stymietee]

he wont figure it out until he has a come to jesus talk with himself and realizes what it takes to be a professional pocket passer . until this benching i am not sure he really got the message . but his issues are all emotional and mental the talent is there

I believe that he's already had that moment, in fact I am convinced that we all witnessed it when he declared that he wanted to become a pocket passer. The benching certainly helps to drive home the point. We totally agree on his talent, but at the risk of being accused of being a fan of him over the team or some sort of starry eyed RGIII supporter, if, as you say, he's able to overcome his emotional/mental roadblocks, we may once again see something special. I still say that it's going to be very very interesting what Washington does with him going forward.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I believe that he's already had that moment, in fact I am convinced that we all witnessed it when he declared that he wanted to become a pocket passer. The benching certainly helps to drive home the point. We totally agree on his talent, but at the risk of being accused of being a fan of him over the team or some sort of starry eyed RGIII supporter, if, as you say, he's able to overcome his emotional/mental roadblocks, we may once again see something special. I still say that it's going to be very very interesting what Washington does with him going forward.

What Washington does with him? Really? I think can answer that - cut him before the start of next season (barring Cousins having a major injury in the postseason). Is there any other answer?

 

[Sharkinva]

What Washington does with him? Really? I think can answer that - cut him before the start of next season (barring Cousins having a major injury in the postseason). Is there any other answer?

My bet is, if SMGM is as good as we all hope. He will first sit down and have a talk with Kirk and his agent. Hammer out a deal that falls some where in the range where Kirk is paid like a starter, but doesnt eat up a huge chunk of cap space. He then will tell them, give me until March first to work out a trade of Griffin. Preferably for a 3rd rounder, but likely we will take what we can get. He will then talk to teams interested in Griffin, and try and work a trade with a guaranteed rework from Robert. He will hand Robert the list of teams he can talk to, and presto. Every one is happy. ( Well except for the people who hold out hope Kirk will walk and we will be stuckfucked with Griffin)


Failing that, we will simply cut Griffin March 2nd and roll on.

 

[j_y19]

What Washington does with him? Really? I think can answer that - cut him before the start of next season (barring Cousins having a major injury in the postseason). Is there any other answer?

Nope.

 

[j_y19]

My bet is, if SMGM is as good as we all hope. He will first sit down and have a talk with Kirk and his agent. Hammer out a deal that falls some where in the range where Kirk is paid like a starter, but doesnt eat up a huge chunk of cap space. He then will tell them, give me until March first to work out a trade of Griffin. Preferably for a 3rd rounder, but likely we will take what we can get. He will then talk to teams interested in Griffin, and try and work a trade with a guaranteed rework from Robert. He will hand Robert the list of teams he can talk to, and presto. Every one is happy. ( Well except for the people who hold out hope Kirk will walk and we will be stuckfucked with Griffin)

That would be a perfect scenario. But why would Griffin or his agent limit themselves to a handful of teams?

 

[Sharkinva]

That would be a perfect scenario. But why would Griffin or his agent limit themselves to a handful of teams?

Because depending on How the FO wanted to work it, there are ways to simply get Kirk signed AND still keep Griffin as the #3 QB. Hell if they wanted to get real frisky they could Tag Kirk, keep Griffin and still manage to squeeze another $17 million to play with. It would require some creative book keeping. But you got to think we are not holding Griffin now simply to let him walk with ZERO return on investment. One way or another, they are going to try and squeeze something back out of that deal.

 

[j_y19]

Because depending on How the FO wanted to work it, there are ways to simply get Kirk signed AND still keep Griffin as the #3 QB. Hell if they wanted to get real frisky they could Tag Kirk, keep Griffin and still manage to squeeze another $17 million to play with. It would require some creative book keeping. But you got to think we are not holding Griffin now simply to let him walk with ZERO return on investment. One way or another, they are going to try and squeeze something back out of that deal.

No, they are holding onto Griffin to try and trade him, but that is a huge long shot. Well, they also kept him on the roster so Philly or Dallas couldn't pick him up during the season. I agree that Scot is going to call him and his agent in at the end of the season for a talk. He will try and guage his reception to your proposal, but I see no reason why they will play along. The only card Scot has is he can threaten to keep him until the very last minute, meaning many teams will have already moved on their QB selection. But I see no way both KC and Griffin are on this roster next year. In fact, KCs agent may demand that Griffin is gone before they sign any deal.

The only other option is we structure a trade where we eat a portion of that $16m next year, maybe like $4-5M. But that would require the trade involve a high draft pick cause we won't pay that kind of money for a 4th round pick.

 

[Sharkinva]

Dude... I get it. I just dont think they are going to let him walk at this point without trying to get something in return.

 

[redskinsfan]

Yes
Not sure
Yet to be proven with proper training
Reread what was actually written and you just might notice that you incorrectly cited who increasingly employs the spread offense.
Admit it you have an emotional visceral reaction to Griffin.

I'm still a huge RGIII fan and wish him the best wherever he goes, unless it's to a division rival. It's not me who's got emotion and logic mixed up.

Again, the fact that you believed that that McGloin character was a legit QB prospect for us speaks volumes.

 

[redskinsfan]

To be fair to the guy, isn't it also a rather damning thing to say he will never figure it out as so many here have stated? Sounds pretty personal to me.

BTW: schools from which the NFL draws players from are increasingly using it simply because it's a simpler system to operate in. In the case of Griffin, all that was required of him was to run or pass using a primary, at best a secondary option. He didn't use a playbook, never was introduced to film study, was not required to employ NFL level footwork, was not required to know what it meant to read defenses, and if you pinned pocket presence to his shirt, he would probably mistake it for a name tag. Where our team got it wrong was in not realizing that he was an investment that required substantial work and not an immediate expenditure. I honestly believe that the way that guys like Mariota et. al. are being handled is not just a function of who gets them but also from the lessons learned from the way Griffin was dealt here in DC, after all who's going to invest in a top ten QB pick or (and I shudder here) as much as Washington did in getting their guy and then systematically not insure that his shortcomings are not properly addressed. I also have something to say about the utter hypocrisy here about the guy, but that can wait for another time since it would divert attention away from the topic at hand.

You're dead wrong on this. I'll credit RGIII for realizing that his 50-series game was not sustainable. Where he went wrong was his insistence on flipping the switch to becoming a pocket passer immediately. That he clearly couldn't do. Shanny's plan was to transition him into that role, but he wanted to pick that pace up far faster than he was capable of doing. By doing that, he not only screwed himself, but the team as well.

 

[dcrising]

how did we get from eagles vacancy to RG3?

 

[gkekoa]

To be fair to the guy, isn't it also a rather damning thing to say he will never figure it out as so many here have stated? Sounds pretty personal to me.

BTW: schools from which the NFL draws players from are increasingly using it simply because it's a simpler system to operate in. In the case of Griffin, all that was required of him was to run or pass using a primary, at best a secondary option. He didn't use a playbook, never was introduced to film study, was not required to employ NFL level footwork, was not required to know what it meant to read defenses, and if you pinned pocket presence to his shirt, he would probably mistake it for a name tag. Where our team got it wrong was in not realizing that he was an investment that required substantial work and not an immediate expenditure. I honestly believe that the way that guys like Mariota et. al. are being handled is not just a function of who gets them but also from the lessons learned from the way Griffin was dealt here in DC, after all who's going to invest in a top ten QB pick or (and I shudder here) as much as Washington did in getting their guy and then systematically not insure that his shortcomings are not properly addressed. I also have something to say about the utter hypocrisy here about the guy, but that can wait for another time since it would divert attention away from the topic at hand.

It isn't personal for me. I will say what others won't. He lacks the "football intelligence" to effectively play against NFL defenses.

Running QBs in the NFL typically fail because their entire lives they relied on athleticism over fundamentals. The problem with that in the NFL, EVERYBODY is athletic.

It take humility to go from the best athlete to just another athlete and actually learn your craft.

 

[Stymietee]

What Washington does with him? Really? I think can answer that - cut him before the start of next season (barring Cousins having a major injury in the postseason). Is there any other answer?

Of course there are other answers.......as long as he is still here, anything is possible.

 

[redskinsfan]

Of course there are other answers.......as long as he is still here, anything is possible.

Yes, Matt McGloin.

Career stats: 10 GP, 153/ 262 (58.4%), 1818 (6.94 ypa), 11 TD, 11 INT, 76.2 rating.

How about letting Kirk walk, trading a second rounder for MM, and signing him to a fat, multi-year deal.

Happy?

 

[Stymietee]

You're dead wrong on this. I'll credit RGIII for realizing that his 50-series game was not sustainable. Where he went wrong was his insistence on flipping the switch to becoming a pocket passer immediately. That he clearly couldn't do. Shanny's plan was to transition him into that role, but he wanted to pick that pace up far faster than he was capable of doing. By doing that, he not only screwed himself, but the team as well.

Sooooooo, he realized what almost everyone here said of him to be true......he would not survive doing what he was doing....then rather than risking further damage to himself and the length of his career, he opted to do the smart thing which caused these same people to rail against him and it appears, continue to do so. utter hypocrisy! !!

 

[redskinsfan]

Sooooooo, he realized what almost everyone here said of him to be true......he would not survive doing what he was doing....then rather than risking further damage to himself and the length of his career, he opted to do the smart thing which caused these same people to rail against him and it appears, continue to do so. utter hypocrisy! !!

Huh?! No, he was pushing to become something he couldn't become on his timetable. RGIII is very booksmart. But he needed time to transition into becoming a pocket passer, especially given the fact that he never used a playbook at Baylor. If he had just listened to Shanny, he might very well have been the QB now and enjoying a pretty successful career.

 

[Stymietee]

Yes, Matt McGloin.

Career stats: 10 GP, 153/ 262 (58.4%), 1818 (6.94 ypa), 11 TD, 11 INT, 76.2 rating.

How about letting Kirk walk, trading a second rounder for MM, and signing him to a fat, multi-year deal.

Happy?

What's McGloin's stats in this offense, How about McCarron's......it's not my fault that you are unable to see how certain types work in JG's offense. Kirk is not the ONLY guy that is able function at the same level or better in this offense.

 

[redskinsfan]

What's McGloin's stats in this offense, How about McCarron's......it's not my fault that you are unable to see how certain types work in JG's offense. Kirk is not the ONLY guy that is able function at the same level or better in this offense.

You've got to be certifiably insane to even mention McGloin in the same sentence as Kirk. Yes, certain QBs work better in certain systems. But anyone can more than safely say that Kirk is a ton better than McGloin. So, let me ask you here . . .

Who's better between Kirk and McGloin?

And how much better is one over the other?

 

[Stymietee]

Huh?! No, he was pushing to become something he couldn't become on his timetable. RGIII is very booksmart. But he needed time to transition into becoming a pocket passer, especially given the fact that he never used a playbook at Baylor. If he had just listened to Shanny, he might very well have been the QB now and enjoying a pretty successful career.

I hope there will never come a time when you are involved in writing history books! Just like it is highly recognized that JG did not allow KC to take full control of his offense until the final three games, what should be noted about those who were in charge of the team and organization when Griffin made his declaration, is how they handled it. If you're going to make commentary about the guy, try at minimum to tell the whole story. IJS.