Greg Hardy to Dallas ?

[snookdad]

It's amazing how little I care about off the field antics. The 90's dynasty was a collection of horrific human beings, who gives a shit? They were great at football and that's all I care about.

I actually agree with this, but with the way the NFL now holds these guys accountable it's hard to get excited about this deal. Personally I don't like the signing because he will likely be suspended have the season and we only have him for a year.

 

[Manster7588]

I actually agree with this, but with the way the NFL now holds these guys accountable it's hard to get excited about this deal. Personally I don't like the signing because he will likely be suspended have the season and we only have him for a year.

While he may get a 6 game suspension I don't think it will be more than 2 games. AS for the one season contract think about it as insurance incase the year off took his probowl skills away. Odds are he give Dallas first shot at a deal in 16 because they stepped up for him.

 

[Manster7588]

There is a reason that Jerry got Executive of the Year last season. The man knows football and Greg Hardy is a good pickup.

Sorry but Steven is the man behind the pen now, not Jerry. 17 years of bad GMing isn't washed away in my opinion.

 

[Ekspozed]

What is the problem with only having for this season? It's not we would have been better without him. And if he doesn't light it up, we can let him walk or get him back possibly a bit cheaper. To me, his business is his business, and if he stays out of trouble and plays his ass off for our Cowboys then that's all I could ask for.

 

[scotsman1948]

While he may get a 6 game suspension I don't think it will be more than 2 games. AS for the one season contract think about it as insurance incase the year off took his probowl skills away. Odds are he give Dallas first shot at a deal in 16 because they stepped up for him.

But it is only for the vet minimum of 788 with incentives for each game he plays. If he plays all 16 games, meets retain performance standards then he gets 11.3M. So if he is suspended. for the first 6 games he doesn't make anything for those games

 

[jarntt]

On this years cap hit for Hardy. My understanding is that the LEAGUE decides what is likely to be met and thus what becomes the 2015 Cap hit, not the Cowboys. So, I'm not so sure about this years cap hit being only $3.2M as of this time.

 

[jarntt]

I am not sure it's as easy as see ya. I would make signing him a little higher priority than that. It sure seemed even though he missed some big tackles that the defense played more inspired football when he was on the field. And I know they hit harder when he was in there. He was a big reason the defense played as well as they did. Hard to replace the kind of player that sets the tone for the defense. Imo.

Agree. If we go into next year with our current LBs it would be a huge mistake IMO. We could sign McClain (ideal situation), another FA or go there inthe draft, but thinking that going into the season with Lee (injury concerns), Hitchens and the FAs we signed, plus last years leftovers would be acceptable is nuts. None of those FAs are good enough to think they will be handed a starting job and to be honest, I'm not sure any should be guaranteed a roster spot. I like the signings, but let's not pretend they are proven players. If Lee goes down again the LB spot in 2015 as it currently sits would be a disaster.

 

[UK Cowboy]

On this years cap hit for Hardy. My understanding is that the LEAGUE decides what is likely to be met and thus what becomes the 2015 Cap hit, not the Cowboys. So, I'm not so sure about this years cap hit being only $3.2M as of this time.

It's kind of a weird deal, what I heard was that there were certain incentives in his contract, like hypothetically 10 sacks. Since 10 sacks is a number he has achieved before, it is a reasonable number so that incentive would be paid in full and count on the 2015 cap. However if he got 15 sacks, which is something he hasn't done, that would fall out of the reasonable make, and that incentive would be paid but would count against the 2016 cap. That's how they explained it anyway

 

[jarntt]

You think they get AP on this deal next?

Sigh...

 

[jarntt]

It's kind of a weird deal, what I heard was that there were certain incentives in his contract, like hypothetically 10 sacks. Since 10 sacks is a number he has achieved before, it is a reasonable number so that incentive would be paid in full and count on the 2015 cap. However if he got 15 sacks, which is something he hasn't done, that would fall out of the reasonable make, and that incentive would be paid but would count against the 2016 cap. That's how they explained it anyway

My focus is more on the games played. So by the reasoning above...he has played 16 games before too, right? So why not count that? That is the part (I don't know the exact rule) that I struggle with and it's the biggest number. The only way I would buy it, and it sounds like this could be the case, would be if the league looks at performance based bonuses as you described above and for some reason has a long standing policy of NOT counting games played bonuses at all.

 

[Bmurph]

On this years cap hit for Hardy. My understanding is that the LEAGUE decides what is likely to be met and thus what becomes the 2015 Cap hit, not the Cowboys. So, I'm not so sure about this years cap hit being only $3.2M as of this time.

Spotrac has Hardy counting for approximately $2.635 million against Dallas' cap in 2015 at this moment, leaving the Cowboys with $2.435 million remaining in cap space.If Hardy receives the six-game suspension that has been rumored and he's active for the remaining 10 games, he'd earn $5,781,250 in incentives. Added to the $750,000 base and $1.3 million roster bonus, his salary would reach $7,842,580, which would place him somewhere between 12th and 14th among defensive ends in terms of 2015 cap hits.

 

[jarntt]

On both Hardy and our available cap space: I don't think the websites know for sure what is accurate or not. They are going off of the same press releases that we are right now. They tend to change their numbers around until better info comes out.

 

[Bmurph]

Doubt anybody will know the exact numbers until the league puts their accounting personnel on it and tell the Cowboys people just what incentives will hit the 2015 cap and the ones that will hit 2016. Currently the numbers are likely still fluid, however I doubt they move drastically from what is being reported at this time.

 

[Bmurph]

Dallas sportscaster sounds off on Cowboys signing Greg Hardy

(Photo: Sam Sharpe, USA TODAY Sports)
Sportscaster Dale Hansen sounded off on the Dallas Cowboys' signing of defensive end Greg Hardy.

Watch in the video embedded below as Hansen takes shots at the Cowboys front office during his local ABC news TV segment:

"Is there a crime you won't accept?"

There's seems to be quite some controversy around the signing of Hardy. This stems from a domestic violence incident where he allegedly hit his former girlfriend.

Hardy was put on the NFL's exempt list last September while he was awaiting a jury trial based off charges of assault and threat. The accuser failed to show up for the court date and the charges were dismissed last month.

If you didn't know, the Cowboys signed Hardy on Wednesday to an incentive-based one-year deal. The more Hardy's plays, and plays well, the more money he'll make. However, suspension would lessen the amount of money owed to the defensive end.

Hardy is potentially facing a four-game suspension from the NFL to start the 2015 season.

Dale probably could have left Garrett out of his soap box rant, I mean are you really going to balk at your boss thats paying your huge salary. Anyhoo I'm not here to decide who's morality is the highest and I don't know that anyone has presented the public with all the facts. So I will withhold judgement until I am certain that I know all the facts or the entirety of the situation.

 

[Bmurph]

Jerry Jones releases official statement on signing of Greg Hardy

(Photo: @dallascowboys on Instagram)
It was quite an eventful day for defensive end Greg Hardy and the Dallas Cowboys. Owner/GM Jerry Jonesreleased an official statement on the signing.

Per DallasCowboys.com, here's what Jones had to say:

"This agreement involved an important element of our defensive scheme, specifically the pass rush, at a position that we felt we needed to address this off season. We entered this free agency period with the idea of utilizing key resources to help us on the defensive side of the ball.

"Greg is a proven and experienced player whose production has allowed him to play at a Pro Bowl level. This is a one-year agreement that is incentive based and heavily weighted toward his participation in games.

"We have spent a great deal of time over the last two days in meeting with Greg directly and gaining a solid understanding of what he is all about as a person and as a football player. A thorough background review of him, involving many elements of our organization, has been ongoing for the last few weeks.

"Obviously a great deal of our study was dedicated to the issue of domestic violence, and the recent events that associated Greg with that issue. We know that Greg’s status remains under review by the National Football League.

"Our organization understands the very serious nature of domestic violence in our society and in our league. We know that Greg has a firm understanding of those issues as well."

The statement gives some insight and clarity as to why the Cowboys spent 24+ hours evaluating Hardy in Dallas. Jones knew exactly the type of player the team was preparing to sign, and he knew how they could effectively maximize his abilities for the Cowboys. In other words, the 'Boys did their homework.

As for Hardy being under review by the NFL. The pass rusher is facing the possibility of a 4-game suspensionstemming from a domestic violence incident. Hardy sat out 15 games in the 2014 NFL season.

Related: (Photos): Jerry Jones helps Greg Hardy sign with the Cowboysn

 

[UK Cowboy]

My focus is more on the games played. So by the reasoning above...he has played 16 games before too, right? So why not count that? That is the part (I don't know the exact rule) that I struggle with and it's the biggest number. The only way I would buy it, and it sounds like this could be the case, would be if the league looks at performance based bonuses as you described above and for some reason has a long standing policy of NOT counting games played bonuses at all.

Instead of getting $11 million guaranteed, he will get the minimum plus a roster bonus every time he suits up, so if he is suspended 6 games, he would lose those 6 game checks and that charge would never hit the Cowboys cap. The ''reasonable'' incentives are the number the league will fix against this years cap, the unreasonable will hit next years

 

[jarntt]

I guess the point is that I don't see how those cap dollars for games played can go against anything other than the 2015 cap. So what does it matter whether it's only $3.2M or a higher # right now? What matters is what it will ultimately be and we need to plan for that.

I think the way I remember games played working against the cap in the past is that it increases each game he plays as the season goes along and we need to keep making moves to clear cap space (if we don't have it) week by week like we would if we signed or restructured a player.

It's possible they just look at it later in the year and do a year end reconciliation based on his games actually played, but I think it is looked at each time he earns the game bonus. Regardless, if he plays 16 games we need to clear a huge amount of cap space We can't all of a sudden assume we will make up that much cap space during the year unless we restructure Romo. We can talk about Dez, but that would put him in the drivers seat for negotiations if he knew we "had to" cut his 2015 cap hit and I'm sure his agents would use that leverage to their advantage

 

[jarntt]

Instead of getting $11 million guaranteed, he will get the minimum plus a roster bonus every time he suits up, so if he is suspended 6 games, he would lose those 6 game checks and that charge would never hit the Cowboys cap. The ''reasonable'' incentives are the number the league will fix against this years cap, the unreasonable will hit next years

Yeah, I understand that. My point is what WILL his cap hit be this year, not what is it as of 3/19/15. The games played are the key #s

 

[Manster7588]

Not sure how his cap hit could be determined until the season is over. Let's say he participates in the re season workouts, earns that bonus, gets a two game suspension, has a season ending injury beating his GF, and gets released. Wouldn't his cap hit be the bonus and the team be done with him? I agree with Jarntt. No one knows what his cap hit is right now. Anyone saying otherwise is blowing smoke.

 

[Manster7588]

Jerry Jones helps Greg Hardy sign with the Cowboysn

Not so sure I'm happy signing a guy who needs HELP signing his name.