Goodell Says Deflategate Ruling May Come Next Week

[CreepCreep2014]

So looks like the NFL decided to hear the appeal, with no intention of changing it, then coming up with a plan of attack to present to the court. Unbelievable!! This is why it took over a month, they needed to get their court documents in order. Fucking snakes! Blindside Brady with the "destroyed phone" comment, uphold appeal, then file to federal court..all within the hr....amazing the haters cannot see this. Makes me crazy at the world we live in. Bunch of sheep who do/think what they are told, can't think for themselves and are to lazy to read and make up their own mind.

 

[sharkymcwrath]

At the end of the day we still root for the best team of the salary cap error, without question.

Funny, there was an article about how Jerry Jones supports Goodel's decision. The comments section was overwhelmingly vitriolic towards Jerry and the Cowboys. Almost no Brady/Pats hate. Made me realize that most of all of this really truly is that people hate dynasties and nothing more.

I'm fine with everything. If they hate you to a point where the hate is incomprehensible, you are doing something right.

 

[TxHeat]

At the end of the day we still root for the best team of the salary cap error, without question.

Funny, there was an article about how Jerry Jones supports Goodel's decision. The comments section was overwhelmingly vitriolic towards Jerry and the Cowboys. Almost no Brady/Pats hate. Made me realize that most of all of this really truly is that people hate dynasties and nothing more.

I'm fine with everything. If they hate you to a point where the hate is incomprehensible, you are doing something right.

Interesting that Jerry wasn't so fond of Goofdell when the league took $10,000,000 from their cap for the Miles Austin contract a few years ago. (The Cowboys lost $10 million for overloading contracts during the uncapped 2010 season despite league warnings about such maneuvering.)

Even though I also follow the Cowboys it's yet another instance of it's ok for teams to cheat unless it's the Pats, then everyone is out to hate. And don't the Broncos lead the list of 'cheating violations'?

 

[SDGuy73]

At the end of the day we still root for the best team of the salary cap error, without question.

Funny, there was an article about how Jerry Jones supports Goodel's decision. The comments section was overwhelmingly vitriolic towards Jerry and the Cowboys. Almost no Brady/Pats hate. Made me realize that most of all of this really truly is that people hate dynasties and nothing more.

I'm fine with everything. If they hate you to a point where the hate is incomprehensible, you are doing something right.

The Cowboys haven't been shit for 20 years. They have two playoff wins in that span.

 

[TxHeat]

INCONCLUSIVE!

IN-FUCKING-CONCLUSIVE

NFL supervisor of officials acknowledges slow leak possibility | ProFootballTalk

So give the Pats back their draft picks, the $1,000,000 fine and acknowledge that Brady did nothing wrong and dismiss the bullshit case the NFL continues to dog him for.

 

[BigKen]

Funny how quiet everything got after the judge issued his warning......but....that still hasn't stopped some leakage from the NFL office.

NESN had a trailer across the bottom of the screen this morning that the attorneys for the NFL and the NFLPA meet all day yesterday in a mediation session trying to find some common ground. Smartly, just the attorneys were allowed in the session and they are saying nothing.

Knowing this, I have a couple of questions I wish I could get answered. The first, who actually asked for the meeting? Generally the side with the weakest argument will want to get something started. The other is why would either side want to back off their original position?

If I had to bet, my guess is that the NFL called the meeting. I would guess that they have offered to cut the suspension to two games, hoping that the NFLPA will agree to one. My guess would also be that they would then ask the judge to hold back the timeline and until after the first game of the season, make the announcement on Friday before game two and make the suspension of one game for game three against Jacksonville. By making that type of swwetheart offer, then they would go along with wording the decision so that Brady is cleared of any wrong doing regarding the balls and that the one game would be for not cooperating 100% with Wells. They're argument to the NFLPA would be that Brady gets a slap on the wrist, the NFL exonerates him and everyone comes out looking like a winner and the biggest threat is Grappolo against the Jaguars.

I think the NFLPA might be very receptive to something like that. I think Brady will tell them to go pound sand.

 

[sharkymcwrath]

It's absolutely crazy to me that the NFL is not backing down. They're actually pursuing a punishment in which there was no proven crime all while having it publicly shown how incapable and biased they are. Crazy.

 

[TxHeat]

All this bullshit aside, I was amused today in reading how vehemently the Ravens are claiming they didn't snitch on the Pats. I'll believe they are innocent the day I hit the lottery.

 

[CreepCreep2014]

It's absolutely crazy to me that the NFL is not backing down. They're actually pursuing a punishment in which there was no proven crime all while having it publicly shown how incapable and biased they are. Crazy.

Its' the NFL. They think they are bigger than any court out there and their powerful owners will get what they want. They cannot back down, they will look even worse. This is not going to end well for them.

 

[TxHeat]

Until all the people that continue to sling shit at Brady and the Pats I'm not engaging in a debate until they take off their Haters Hats.

 

[realityball]

Until all the people that continue to sling shit at Brady and the Pats I'm not engaging in a debate until they take off their Haters Hats.

As the pats continue their success, so will go the hate ... or more correctly, resentment

... so with respect, I hope you don't engage in debate for a long time

 

[ohiopatsfan]

In all this Deflategate thing, there is one thing I haven't heard. It has been proven that the equipment guy spent 90 seconds in the restroom alone with the footballs. It is contended that he deflated the 12 footballs during that time span. Did Wells, or anyone else, try to recreate this action to verify that this could all be done within 90 seconds? I haven't read the full Wells Report, so I'm not sure if this was done. If it was done, and I think it should have been, what were the results? If it could have been done in 90 seconds, that would seem to be a "smoking gun" and something Wells would be touting loudly. So, either Wells never did it, or he did it, found that the action took longer than 90 seconds. and suppressed the information. I am also curious as to why TB's people didn't try to do this either.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

I think I read somewhere that it was attempted, or at least it was tried. From what I remember it was 2 or 3 guys that took 1psi out 12 balls and even after repeated attemps they only got it down to like 2 minutes.

But, that said...the balls were never deflated. Science.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

No it wasn't conducted by Wells, imagine that. There was an independent study conducted like Yankee mentioned. From what I recall it was in a more controlled setting. Where the balls were already laid out on a table. I don't recall the exact time it took, but it was definitely more than 90 seconds. The NFL logo should be "no room for science", I'm Roger Goodell I do what I want.

 

[BigKen]

I entered the testing done by MIT. They had 12 balls all inflated to a scientific 13 PSI. They placed the balls on a table in a room at 72 degrees. The table was 36" high. The balls were spaced evenly. 4 or 5 guys in good physical shape were given an inflation needle and all were asked to attempt to deflate 2 PSI or so out each ball as fast as they possibly could go. The fastest time for all balls to have "some" air removed was 132 seconds. Not all of the balls had even 1 PSI removed.

The same group observed over 200 men in the MIT men's rooms. Guys were timed entering the mens room, walking to the urinal, unzipping their flies, urinating, zipping their flies, walking to the sink, rinsing (not washing) hands, wiping with a paper towel, throwing the towel on the floor and walking out the door. Average time was 84 seconds.

MIT concluded that McNally took a piss.

The counter argument was that McNally is a professional deflator, so he could do it in much less time. Of course he had to remove the balls from the bag, deflate them, put them back in the bag. Picking them up from a table takes about 1-1-1/2 seconds. Fishing them out of a bag takes anywhere from 4-6 seconds if you don't drop one and you can grip everyone.

I tend to go with MIT.

 

[SDGuy73]

In all this Deflategate thing, there is one thing I haven't heard. It has been proven that the equipment guy spent 90 seconds in the restroom alone with the footballs. It is contended that he deflated the 12 footballs during that time span. Did Wells, or anyone else, try to recreate this action to verify that this could all be done within 90 seconds? I haven't read the full Wells Report, so I'm not sure if this was done. If it was done, and I think it should have been, what were the results? If it could have been done in 90 seconds, that would seem to be a "smoking gun" and something Wells would be touting loudly. So, either Wells never did it, or he did it, found that the action took longer than 90 seconds. and suppressed the information. I am also curious as to why TB's people didn't try to do this either.

I brought up a version on this in the Colts balls thread. What I was saying........The Pats equipment guy can allegedly deflate 12 balls in 90 seconds but refs can't measure and log the other 8 Colts balls in 90 seconds? WTF! If PSI is sooo fucking important, you delay the game 2 minutes to do a proper investigation. No one would of even noticed. After-all, we are talking about the integrity of the game!

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Devils Advocate here...

84 seconds to piss and rinse. So...
Carry bag in with 12 balls, piss, rinse, retrieve previously stashed bag with 12 improperly inflated balls, leave.


No, all balls were correct, the NFL and it's chimpanzees did not account for science. Science includes baselines and accounting for variables such as mismatched guages and weather.

 

[TxHeat]

I think I read somewhere that it was attempted, or at least it was tried. From what I remember it was 2 or 3 guys that took 1psi out 12 balls and even after repeated attemps they only got it down to like 2 minutes.

But, that said...the balls were never deflated. Science.

I heard a similar story as well. 123 seconds or something like that. yet another dumb Goofdell theory got blown apart.

 

[BigKen]

Please read this post carefully.

Over the weekend, Sports Commentator Gary Tanguay of CSNE was arguing with Kirk Minihane of WEEI about Deflategate. Tanguay believes that there was something going on whether with Brady's involvement or not, but he believes that Brady knew that the balls we were being reset to 12.5 PSI and that the ball attendants got sloppy. Minihane doesn't think Brady had any involvement at all with te balls. Scene is set.

Tanguay comes out and says that there is a possibility that Brady was paying these guys under the table and he was directing them to make sure the balls were not overinflated beyond his liking. Minihane basically calls him an asshole.

Jump forward to Monday morning. In direct defiance to Federal Court Judge Kramer's specific order not to "leak" information.....a leak from an NFL source....................""TOM BRADY MAY HAVE PAID THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS BALL ATTENDANTS OR AT THE VERY LEAST DIRECTED THEM TO DEFLATE THE BALLS"".

So now we have some asshole in the NFL Offices watching CSNE Early Edition and a part time commentator's remarks are now fact???

If Kramer doesn't throw the book at the NFL on just this one incident, then this hearing is a scam!!!!!

 

[ohiopatsfan]

Not to be a nitpicker, BigKen, but isn't the judge's name Berman? I certainly agree that the NFL is pulling out all the stops to leak anything they can to the media, in direct violation of a court order, to put TB in the worst possible light. There is much about this that is political. The NFL is demonizing their target much like national politicians do before a big election. By the time they are through, the Patriot (and TB) haters will think their target is responsible for every bad thing that ever happened in the world, all the way back to the Great Flood.