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[deanpet21]

Did you read post #44, that explains it. To be clear, on this issue @Dean was correct in pointing out that Kirk initiated the events that led to that pick six. Maybe you guys have something personal against the guy or just don't want to be agreeable to valid points that he makes. (Yeah I know, someone is going to say that he never or rarely makes good points...Ha...ha...and Ha)

There's got to be a way to properly evaluate Kirk Cousins, and it cannot be done with a bias for or against him. When he makes mistakes we have to be able to admit that it was his and not the fault of someone or something else.

I always back up my points. Just like Kevin said the oline was bad when they gave KC time to throw to make big plays on Thursday night. All of Crowders plays I might add. Another valid point that helped us win the game. I just proved that the oline did a good job with perine running and the big passing plays. This board wont hear it.

 

[j_y19]

Did you read post #44, that explains it. To be clear, on this issue @Dean was correct in pointing out that Kirk initiated the events that led to that pick six. Maybe you guys have something personal against the guy or just don't want to be agreeable to valid points that he makes. (Yeah I know, someone is going to say that he never or rarely makes good points...Ha...ha...and Ha)

There's got to be a way to properly evaluate Kirk Cousins, and it cannot be done with a bias for or against him. When he makes mistakes we have to be able to admit that it was his and not the fault of someone or something else.

Let’s take a poll. Who thinks that pass was a good pass?

I haven’t seen anyone say it was, but maybe. Let’s find out. Although I’m. Not sure what this proves. KC initiated the play. Guess what. He initiates every offensive play. Good or bad. But the real question is was this ONE play indicative of his overall play? Is that what you think? Because Dean sure seems to think so.

 

[Stymietee]

I always back up my points. Just like Kevin said the oline was bad when they gave KC time to throw to make big plays on Thursday night. All of Crowders plays I might add. Another valid point that helped us win the game. I just proved that the oline did a good job with perine running and the big passing plays. This board wont hear it.

To be honest @Dean, I try NOT to get involved with the back and forth that you have with other posters here. For me it's mostly amusing reading the number of times folks can restate the same thing ad nauseam.

Kirk Cousins seems to be a particularly sensitive topic for some here. That's too bad from a evaluative perspective as it blinds the ABC'ers and the OK'ers alike. Why it has become so personal also says a lot about folks ability to properly evaluate him. Can we get a player who is as good as Kirk or better in this offense....Absolutely!!! Do we have to? Nope, just as long as we have a team that allows him to do those things that he's capable of offensively without extending or trying to extend his limitations. To his credit, Gruden has done a masterful job at that thus far.

 

[Stymietee]

Let’s take a poll. Who thinks that pass was a good pass?

I haven’t seen anyone say it was, but maybe. Let’s find out. Although I’m. Not sure what this proves. KC initiated the play. Guess what. He initiates every offensive play. Good or bad. But the real question is was this ONE play indicative of his overall play? Is that what you think? Because Dean sure seems to think so.

Again giving too much credit to KC. In fact the center initiates every offensive play.

Of course you would want to change the subject, No thanks, this was and is about that one play, NOT an indication of his over-all play.

To be clear, I think that Kirk is a pretty good player in this offense. Can he be replaced....easily!! Should he be replaced? Nope!! Take it for what it's worth.

BTW: No need for a poll when it's easy to read responses to @Dean when he said it was a bad pass. Almost everyone who responded to that attempted to place blame on the receiver. That is a fact.

 

[j_y19]

Again giving too much credit to KC. In fact the center initiates every offensive play.

Of course you would want to change the subject, No thanks, this was and is about that one play, NOT an indication of his over-all play.

To be clear, I think that Kirk is a pretty good player in this offense. Can he be replaced....easily!! Should he be replaced? Nope!! Take it for what it's worth.

BTW: No need for a poll when it's easy to read responses to @Dean when he said it was a bad pass. Almost everyone who responded to that attempted to place blame on the receiver. That is a fact.

Well, that is not a fact. I saw no one say it was a good pass. Everyone debating Dean said was a high pass. That’s not good. The debate on this one play was could the receiver catch it?

 

[skinsdad62]

it was a bad throw but we know why it was a bad throw , the turf monster .

now was the pass catchable ? yes it was and certainly didnt need to be volley balled to the defender

but dean added things sty , like it shouldnt have been thrown . complete BS you make the throw to the open wr

this is the cause of the schism . not whether it was a bad throw or not

now to evaluate KC , that is easy , we are the browns without him

 

[Stymietee]

Well, that is not a fact. I saw no one say it was a good pass. Everyone debating Dean said was a high pass. That’s not good. The debate on this one play was could the receiver catch it?

Whatever man....... This was @gkekoa's initial response....... So the player is open, it hit both of his hands, the receiver deflects the ball into the air, and the CB who was ten feet away when it hit the backs hands but it is still KC’s fault and he should just eat the ball rather than throw to the wide open player and hope he can make a play?

 

[skinsdad62]

Mo’ Starters, Mo’ Problems- The Redskins’ offense has had to deal with a multitude of injuries this season, and as a result the team has been forced to start many more players on that side of the ball than it would like to.

Believe it or not, and you probably will, but the Redskins have used 24 starters on offense. That’s more than double the number of players that are on the field for a team at any one time. This means they have basically had to use two entirely different sets of starters.

Quarterback (Kirk Cousins) and right tackle (Morgan Moses) are the only positions they have not needed more than one starter at. Check out the insane number of players they’ve had to start at a few other positions: 5 wide receivers, 4 tight ends, 3 left tackles, 3 centers and 3 running backs.

At this point, you probably won’t be shocked when I tell you that no other team has started more players on offense than the Redskins this season (24 players).

something to think about when evaluating gruden and KC

 

[skinsdad62]

Kirk Cousins (Game-Winning Drives)- Cousins led the Redskins’ offense on yet another game-winning drive, his fourth of the year. This means he has a GWD in four of the team’s five wins, or 80% of their victories this season. That is the highest percentage for any quarterback on a team that has won more than one game this year.

Kirk Cousins now leads the entire NFL in game-winning drives this season and his 12 GWDs since he took over as a starter in 2015 are tied for second in the NFL (Derek Carr). The only player with more such drives in the last three years is Matthew Stafford (14 GWDs)

how about that stat

 

[skinsdad62]

Kirk Cousins (I am Iron Man)- I keep hearing about how Cousins has started in 43 straight games, which is the second longest streak by a quarterback in franchise history. That’s great, but why do we never hear about how Cousins stacks up against his modern-day peers? I don’t know, so I’ll just tell you.

Cousins is just one of seven QBs who has started in each of his team’s last 42 games. The others are: Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, Philip Rivers, Blake Bortles, Eli Manning and Matthew Stafford. Stafford and Cousins are the only quarterbacks on this list that have not missed a single offensive snap for their teams since the start of the 2016 season.

So we’ve seen a few of similarities here between Cousins and the NFL’s highest paid player, Matthew Stafford. Hmmm, I wonder if this trend will continue in the offseason when Kirk Cousins’ contract is up.

here is another stat

 

[skinsdad62]

Samaje Perine (Rushing)- The rookie runner out of Oklahoma toted the rock 24 times for 100 yards, a career-best 5 first downs and a 4.2 YPC average. He forced 2 missed tackles, gained 56 yards after contact and averaged 2.3 yards after being touched.

He did lose yardage on one run (4%) and failed to gain any yards on four rushes (17%); but he took nine carries for 5 or more yards (38%) and three runs for 10 or more yards (13%).

Many have said Perine is the type of back who gets better as the game goes on. That narrative certainly looked to have some legs to it on Thursday night. He only gained 3 yards on his 5 first-half runs (0.6 YPC), but followed that up with 19 rushes for 97 yards in the second half (5.11 YPC).

His 82.4 PFF grade was the second highest grade by an offensive player in the game (Crowder 84.5).

 

[j_y19]

Whatever man....... This was @gkekoa's initial response....... So the player is open, it hit both of his hands, the receiver deflects the ball into the air, and the CB who was ten feet away when it hit the backs hands but it is still KC’s fault and he should just eat the ball rather than throw to the wide open player and hope he can make a play?

Isn’t that exactly what happened? Was the player open? Did it hit both his hands? Did he deflect it into the air? And did the CB so was not close catch the deflection? Again, not sure what the point is. That GK didn’t say the pass was errant as it was high? And GK is one poster, not almost all posters as you stated in your proposed fact.

 

[Stymietee]

it was a bad throw but we know why it was a bad throw , the turf monster .

now was the pass catchable ? yes it was and certainly didnt need to be volley balled to the defender

but dean added things sty , like it shouldnt have been thrown . complete BS you make the throw to the open wr

this is the cause of the schism . not whether it was a bad throw or not

now to evaluate KC , that is easy , we are the browns without him

See, I don't buy that turf monster excuse, it's just another way of saying that Kirk had NO responsibility in the way he controlled his foot placement. Sure the field was horrible, I made a point of it during the game. Yeah shit happens during a game, and for us it's usually something not good for our guy. Manning didn't have that issue, Kirk did. If he felt pressure, that's on him, and one of my chief complaints about the guy.

Sure the ball was catchable, just unnecessarily difficult to do so.

I did notice that @Dean added things as the conversation progressed, it was the correct target but an absolutely horrible throw.

I disagree we are 5-6 with Kirk and 5-6 without Kirk. NOT the Browns. It is a testament to our scouting department and especially Gruden and Co. in getting this team ready to compete every week despite of the number of obstacles its faced. I absolutely refuse to believe that this team is similar to the Cowboys because of the absence of one offensive player they become bad.

 

[Stymietee]

Isn’t that exactly what happened? Was the player open? Did it hit both his hands? Did he deflect it into the air? And did the CB so was not close catch the deflection? Again, not sure what the point is. That GK didn’t say the pass was errant as it was high? And GK is one poster, not almost all posters as you stated in your proposed fact.

Geeeeeeeeeeeeesus!! Yep, yep and farkin' yep to all of your points!! Yet you don't mention how horrible the pass was that caused it all, I wonder why?? The Gkekoa post was but one example. Albeit, the initial one.

 

[j_y19]

Geeeeeeeeeeeeesus!! Yep, yep and farkin' yep to all of your points!! Yet you don't mention how horrible the pass was that caused it all, I wonder why?? The Gkekoa post was but one example. Albeit, the initial one.

Because I don’t believe it was a horrible pass. Bad? Yes. Horrible? I’ve seen much worse from KC. Now do you really believe it was horrible? Is that the fair evaluation you seek?

 

[Stymietee]

Because I don’t believe it was a horrible pass. Bad? Yes. Horrible? I’ve seen much worse from KC. Now do you really believe it was horrible? Is that the fair evaluation you seek?

Yep, bad because of where he placed it.......Horrible because of the result. Anyone making a fair evaluation will agree with this unless you root against this team and believe that a pick 6 isn't horrible.

 

[Rowdy]

Here's the thing, If there's a great catch like the one that J Doctson made previously the OK'er will say that Kirk placed the ball where ONLY his man could get it. Giving no credit to the extra effort made by the receiver to make a bad throw good. If it's intentional grounding then it becomes miscommunication from the sideline, not that the QB had any responsibility in assuring that the receiver got the sideline call as he did. How about a pick six not being a bad throw but a poor effort by a fully or nearly fully extended receiver.

I still want to know.....what does a bad pass look like when he's the QB? OK'ers??

A bad pass is when the receiver has no chance of carching the ball. The interception the receiver had a chance, but the throw was off a little both qb and receiver are at fault and it happens to every other player in the nfl

 

[j_y19]

QUOTE="Stymietee, post: 10908820, member: 6223"]Again giving too much credit to KC. In fact the center initiates every offensive play.

Of course you would want to change the subject, No thanks, this was and is about that one play, NOT an indication of his over-all play.

To be clear, I think that Kirk is a pretty good player in this offense. Can he be replaced....easily!! Should he be replaced? Nope!! Take it for what it's worth.

BTW: No need for a poll when it's easy to read responses to @Dean when he said it was a bad pass. Almost everyone who responded to that attempted to place blame on the receiver. That is a fact.[/QUOT

In fact the center initiates every offensive play.

So it was the center’s fault!

 

[Stymietee]

QUOTE="Stymietee, post: 10908820, member: 6223"]Again giving too much credit to KC. In fact the center initiates every offensive play.

Of course you would want to change the subject, No thanks, this was and is about that one play, NOT an indication of his over-all play.

To be clear, I think that Kirk is a pretty good player in this offense. Can he be replaced....easily!! Should he be replaced? Nope!! Take it for what it's worth.

BTW: No need for a poll when it's easy to read responses to @Dean when he said it was a bad pass. Almost everyone who responded to that attempted to place blame on the receiver. That is a fact.[/QUOT

In fact the center initiates every offensive play.

So it was the center’s fault!

LMAO

 

[Stymietee]

A bad pass is when the receiver has no chance of carching the ball. The interception the receiver had a chance, but the throw was off a little both qb and receiver are at fault and it happens to every other player in the nfl

Good to know that you believe that pass catchers have NO ability to make bad passes good. For the record, Just like QB's who have pinpoint placement, so are pass catchers who turn bad passes into completed ones. The over-hype of QB's is astounding in this era. I'm not buying the one-sided BS.