Game Day! Bears vs Packers

[leomaz]

I guess that means you are tired of hearing it so much

 

[leomaz]

I didn't know that ndisciplined pass rush threw a crucial int around GBs 30 and missed four throws inside the 10.

Yes you have to put some blame on Jay.... And he had what,a 27 qb rating?

Yeah no blame there......

No your stupid ass is blaming the loss soley on you......its obvious if you want to beat the packets, one of the priorities should be to get to rodgers and not let him run around freely. Give it up kan

 

[anotheridiot]

Look, took some time and want to make a point of what I posted before reacting to the guy wearing the Jay hate badge, There was nothing wrong with Jay for the first three quarters. Excellent terminology back there with keep him hidden. In the two minute drill end of the first half, Forte got 2 carries. From what I heard, he only got 6 carries the entire second half. Cant find a play by play to verify that. So fine, they got behind in the fourth and HAD to throw will be vomited out of you guys. Well, in a two minute drill, two runs does not say he had to throw.

He needs to manage the clock better, he needs to get comfortable being payton manning (thank god I did not hear one Omaha). The coaches need to decide if he made the right adjustments again.

I also do not like Gase on the sideline. I like the OC in the press box where he can see the entire field, see what substitutions are entering the game for the opposition, going big or small, and what should be called with the defensive alignment. I dont think they can see all that looking at a paper on the sideline.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

My rules are pretty standard as it comes to playing the position. Great QB's are GREAT because they DON'T deviate from these rules. Now- superior athletes who can throw harder or run faster. Can get away with skirting some of them, but usually you're not going to last too long if you don't follow. Michael Vick was good for awhile because he could out run people. Didn't make him a good QB. Brett Favre had terrible mechanics, and bad habits, but could fit the ball into bad reads. Making him LOOK like a genius!
You've always been a "I'm smarter than you" football person on these boards so I'm just going to let you keep thinking that. Dude stop that- I want to like you... I keep trying to settle our differences.

What I said about QB play is the truth. You can use your little pictures, to paint whatever biased opinion you want. (Please do watch any other game- and tell me they don't do the same thing) You always think I'm just defending Jay... I'm not, I'm trying to educate you on playing QB.
Jay didn't play great, (& I never said he did) I'm just sick of the nitpicking that you've done after each game with your All-22 magic, It's simple pandering. It's easy and popular to point out "how bad" Jay Cutler is, because you're going to get a bunch of "we agree!" ... Do it with Andrew Luck on the main board and see how that works out.
Or Better yet... Go through your All-22 and pick out what you think are the BEST Jay Cutler plays...and tell me WHY?

I like that you're a dedicated Bears fan, I just wish you would use your powers for good instead of beating the dead horse that is Jay Cutler hatemail.

QBs, as you being a QB in a high collegiate system would know, have these things called "progressions." But I know you already knew that.

You are one of the least competent QB analysts I've ever met. You don't need to "teach me" anything. Want the hate mail to stop? Easy....after Cutler plays a slightly substandard mediocre game, don't say he played pretty well. He made one really good pass, and numerous bad choices against that. That isn't "pretty well." When he actually does play a pretty good game, you can say it then, and I will even agree with you.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Cali can you please do that for the great Andrew Luck

actually since I still have this obnoxious cold I am staying home again. It is nice to be able to watch all this football, but damn there was some really BAD football played out there this weekend. Anyway, on today's list I will definitely get to the Indy game, see what happened to him.

 

[leomaz]

Yes Cali it seemed like the bad qb bug was going around....

 

[JoeyTourettes]

Eh... I don't want to go back to you calling me names again, and being all internet tough... so I'll just say, I know you don't like Jay Cutler. I know you'll always try to find a way to point out his bad. Even if it's a little short sighted or biased. I'm out of the arguing with Cali, business. Agree to disagree.

You guys keep thinking I'm defending Jay. I'm not, I'm just defending the overall position.

Matt Ryan throws TWO picks yesterday. (should have been three) On his first he "Locked on his TE"
He also stared down Julio Jones on more then one occasion. Two of those were 2TD's...Nobody mentions that.

Andrew Luck- Looking RIGHT the whole time... "Locked on his target"?
Bradford. Looks terrible for some of the game, brilliant of other parts.

If you don't want to believe me... at least believe Adam Hoge...when he writes about the failed four plays at the goal line:
On 2nd and Goal: (WR screen to Royal) Royal and Jeffery looked like two players who hadn't played together in awhile. Jeffery was supposed to block Royals defender and didn't get there, thus Royals timing was off a step, Pass was right where it was supposed to be on time... Royal wasn't. Almost picked.

On 3rd and Goal: Low snap, throwing everything off from the start. Long was beat by Elliott, forcing Cutler to get rid of the ball. Meanwhile Jeffery and Royal failed to excute their rub route, leaving both covered. On top of that Packers Corner Randall was holding Jeffery and probably got away with a penalty.

On 4th and Goal: Safety came on a blitz between Vlad and Kyle. Long was supposed to pick him up and didn't.
Kyle Long said, "That's my guy, there's a reason Jay can't make that throw-it's because there's a guy with his arms up in his face."

 

[anotheridiot]

But again, why do you worry about what Ryan and Luck are doing wrong. Matt Ryan still won sunday with his two picks. We all know about Progressions, if David Fales of Claussen were locked on a receiver everyone would be pissing blood. But when Cutler does it, somehow it is not his fault. That is the difference between Cutler and every other quarterback in the league. They make mistakes, their fans get over it. Cutler makes a mistake and its 99.9% defend him, blame someone else with any excuse possible which pisses the hell out of the ones that just want him accountable. You quote 3 instances Hoge the expert did not blame cutler, well fine that makes him 18 of 33 then.

This league is starting to suck. No contact practices and our guys miss tackles. Injured receivers get a few hours practice time and there is no continuity. The whole NFL must be against cutler.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

So here you go Leo ask and you shall receive. Just watched the Indy/Buff game. Interesting, weird game, featuring more terrible special teams plays. I don't think I ever remember a weekend loaded with more bad special teams play across the league than this one. I presume teams are sacrificing ST work in preseason with the new restrictive practice schedules, and it shows.

Yeah, Luck definitely had a bad game. He was officially given 2 INTs, but literally there were 3 others that were very catchable and in the hands of Buffalo pass defenders. Greasy game all around, raining pretty hard. Buffalo mostly won by breaking open a handful of long open plays. But yes Luck's accuracy left something to be desired, no doubt about it.

But there are some big differences versus what Cutler saw in the Bears game. The Bears ran well, the Colts ran like crap. As a result, Green Bay played a lot of run defense fronts, with single high safety formations, and I would describe their pass coverage overall as mediocre. Buffalo's secondary, by contrast, put on a clinic. If you want to see an example of a great secondary blanketing receivers, watch this game. Their corners, mostly in tight man coverage, ran circles around what GB's corners did (and let's not even bother comparing them to Fuller and Ball). If that secondary stays healthy, they may not be as hard hitting as Seattle was last year, but I'd say they are better in coverage. If they can learn to hold onto balls in there hands even in the rain, they are going to threaten interception records. Thank God we don't play them this year. It will be interesting to see what they can do against their more amateur opposing QBs.

Their pass rush was a little better than Green Bay's, but it wasn't suffocating either. They did do a pretty good job of closing the outside of the pocket but their interior linemen didn't kill it. You could see Dareus missing affected them quite a bit.

So the effect of this is that Luck simply didn't have the open receivers Cutler did. They just aren't there. The Colts were losing, and since they couldn't run, unlike us, Luck had no choice. I'd still say he had a bad day, as did Cutler, but he has better excuses.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

If you don't want to believe me... at least believe Adam Hoge...when he writes about the failed four plays at the goal line:
On 2nd and Goal: (WR screen to Royal) Royal and Jeffery looked like two players who hadn't played together in awhile. Jeffery was supposed to block Royals defender and didn't get there, thus Royals timing was off a step, Pass was right where it was supposed to be on time... Royal wasn't. Almost picked.

On 3rd and Goal: Low snap, throwing everything off from the start. Long was beat by Elliott, forcing Cutler to get rid of the ball. Meanwhile Jeffery and Royal failed to excute their rub route, leaving both covered. On top of that Packers Corner Randall was holding Jeffery and probably got away with a penalty.

On 4th and Goal: Safety came on a blitz between Vlad and Kyle. Long was supposed to pick him up and didn't.
Kyle Long said, "That's my guy, there's a reason Jay can't make that throw-it's because there's a guy with his arms up in his face."

Ah the missed three plays. Essentially the most important sequence in the entire game.

Player comments to the media after a game are mostly irrelevant. Nobody is going to publicly throw the starting QB under the bus, now that Marshall is out of town.

The film, however, is not, even if you want to try to belittle it as "just pictures". But I figured, in fairness, let's see what the film shows. So I just re-watched those three plays about 20 times each. I can give Culler partial credit, but also he gets one new ding.

First of all, the first play, the near-interception, I didn't previously hold that against Cutler. In my original assessment, I called that "bad play design." It's pretty obvious that something fundamental was awry on that, whether the newcomer Royal, Cutler's understanding of where Royal would be, both, or something.

but here's the thing: unlike the following two plays, where another look softens my attitude of Cutler, this play actuially makes Cutler look a lot worse if you sit there and watch this play again and again. Here's what's wrong. OK, let's say for sake of discussion this is 100%'s Royal's fault, and he is totally doing the wrong thing. Certainly possible. Cutler HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME TO SEE THAT AND NOT MAKE THAT THROW. I know you hate pictures Joey, but I'm going to post one below....can you explain to me why any QB with a brain says "oh well, Royal isn't where he's supposed to be, I'm gonna throw it there anyway"? If Royal is supposed to be where Cutler threw it, by now he needs to be moving left and already behind AJ. But he has gone forward instead. So why throw it? This is inexplicable.

OK, on to the next play. Here a good excuse can be found. No it is not the "low snap" It's a little low yes but nothing that remarkable. But he is under pressure, Long clearly blew the protection. OK, this is true, the pass to AJ is off. Previously, I wondered why he didn't simply hit the more or less open Wilson a few seconds before the pass is launched, but I can accept that because Long gets beat right about the time Wilson is coming open, Cutler is probably paying more attention to the rusher and figuring out what to do. This is also about the time where, maybe he doesn't realize it, but if he just leads Royal with a long corner pass we will probably get a TD out of it. I can accept the sudden appearance of a rusher took his ability to process the play off of both options.

We can sort of use the same excuse on 4th down, although I would argue that a really good QB would have led his receiver horizontally and not deeper in the end zone, since Royal isn't huge in size. This is an interesting play more because I have to woder what the hell is going on in the protection call. Ducasse is essentially help block the center of the pass rush, and Long and Bennett are both blocking the end, allowing a wide open blitzer to coming charging through the gap. Who called that protection is what I'd like to know.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

OK so look at this. This is the 2nd down play, right as Cutler is passing.

 

[JoeyTourettes]

This where your frozen picture is not the whole truth.
That WR screen is supposed to be thrown as soon as you get the ball. The QB has to trust the WR's to be there.
Watch it again. (I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure he threw it as soon as he caught the snap. There is no "read".)
Looking at this picture- Jay's already in throwing motion. Left hand is off the ball he's already up to throw it. AND this type of pass should be thrown hard and quick.
Also if you go forward a few frames when the ball is in the air there is wide open space. It was simply Royal/Jeffery timing was off- or foot work or something... the ball was right there.
This is actually a great play call- just execution needs a couple beats fixed. It was really close. First Game/ lack of Royal & Jeffery practice time issues.

How do you get the ALL-22? Is it a computer thing or through your cable tv? Honestly I'm interested... how much does it cost? Can you create GIF's from that program- get the play moving a little to see what happens next? I'm going to look around...

Does anyone know how I can post a personal picture on this board? I can draw on my iPad, route combo's and signify read progressions.

 

[beardown07]

This where your frozen picture is not the whole truth.
That WR screen is supposed to be thrown as soon as you get the ball. The QB has to trust the WR's to be there.
Watch it again. (I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure he threw it as soon as he caught the snap. There is no "read".)
Looking at this picture- Jay's already in throwing motion. Left hand is off the ball he's already up to throw it. AND this type of pass should be thrown hard and quick.
Also if you go forward a few frames when the ball is in the air there is wide open space. It was simply Royal/Jeffery timing was off- or foot work or something... the ball was right there.
This is actually a great play call- just execution needs a couple beats fixed. It was really close. First Game/ lack of Royal & Jeffery practice time issues.

How do you get the ALL-22? Is it a computer thing or through your cable tv? Honestly I'm interested... how much does it cost? Can you create GIF's from that program- get the play moving a little to see what happens next? I'm going to look around...

Does anyone know how I can post a personal picture on this board? I can draw on my iPad, route combo's and signify read progressions.

Bottom right red tab next to Post Reply that says Upload a File.

 

[wood20ks]

I guess that means you are tired of hearing it so much

Nope..... Your drivel is just boring..... So you may as well give up your dislikes and rainbows, unless of course you like the pretty colors.

 

[wood20ks]

No his welcome from you is worn out

Wrong again...... He will be booed immensely before seasons end.... Just last season.

Its amazing all I hear around where I live, is how we need a new qb.....Apparently where you live is how good he is.
You must live under a rock......

 

[beardown07]

Wrong again...... He will be booed immensely before seasons end.... Just last season.

Its amazing all I hear around where I live, is how we need a new qb.....Apparently where you live is how good he is.
You must live under a rock......

FTR, he was booed when he walked on the field Sunday.

 

[JoeyTourettes]

Bottom right red tab next to Post Reply that says Upload a File.

Oh...duh. Oh and All-22 Coaches film is through NFL.com and costs $99.99 for the year. A little too rich for this teacher. Rather spend it on a new hockey stick or obviously "quarterback lessons" cause the 14 years playing the position didn't teach me anything. oh well.

 

[leomaz]

FTR, he was booed when he walked on the field Sunday.

I didn't hear any boos

 

[beardown07]

I didn't hear any boos

Low-voiced cheers?



On the broadcast it sounded 50/50.

 

[JoeyTourettes]