FA Frenzy Thread

[JustAsking]

I forget how to edit... so a new post... in general.. I hate UFAs... over payed... so happy pens missed out on praise and suter... don't want doan for anything longer than 2 yrs 10 mil... don't want semin period.

Draft players and trade for potential RFAs (Neal, Sutter)... sign your UFAs before they become UFAs (Sid) or trade them (Staal).... but stay out of the UFA game... ok, ok, not for depth, role players you find quality contracts in UFA.

 

[puckhead]

‏@RenLavoieRDS
Hurricanes signs Marc-André Gragnani 1 year / $800 000 (2 way)


well then, can we have Sulzer back?

 

[elocomotive]

Zach Parise has never been called 'lazy.'

I'm sure that you can tell that I really don't want Semin on my team, but I would take him for the production that he put out last year. I would never pay him based on expected potential.

And THAT is exactly my point. EVERY freakin' NHL contract is based on expected potential. Which is exactly why when a guy is 36 years old and he has averaged 32 goals a year, you don't pay him $6 million per, because you EXPECT that production will diminish.

 

[DChero]

And THAT is exactly my point. EVERY freakin' NHL contract is based on expected potential. Which is exactly why when a guy is 36 years old and he has averaged 32 goals a year, you don't pay him $6 million per, because you EXPECT that production will diminish.

Let's just wait to see what Shane signs first on that one.

 

[elocomotive]

I can see Semin taking a 2 yr deal around 10mil...

I've followed the guy for his whole career and have no understanding of him. But I certainly know him and his agent better than you, and that won't happen.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Here's my thinking on Semin. He does not just want money, he wants to win. I think if he wanted money, he would've accepted the 30 mil KHL deal. 10 mil per. Potentially he still might, I may have him wrong... but I'm going on the assumption that he wants to win. Many teams are under the cap floor and need to take on some money, that could be Semin, but again, if he just wanted money, I think he would have left for the KHL. Contending teams, teams I assume Semin wants to play on, probably won't take a chance on a long term deal with semin... two things:

1.) sign the highest dollar amount (prob long term to non contender)
2.) sign a short term cap friendly contract, prove yourself on a winning team, and get resigned.

Again, my assumptions are based on the fact he did not take the KHL deal, to me, meaning, not about money.

I can see Semin taking a 2 yr deal around 10mil, playing on a good team, to raise his value... or again, go to the KHL or sign a long term deal on a non contender... I just can't see a power house team signing semin to a long term deal, and if he just wanted money, he would be gone by now.

PS: My couch is comfy.

You are forgetting one other major thing about the KHL that might keep someone "just in it for the money" may wish to avoid.

 

[awaz]

Let's just wait to see what Shane signs first on that one.

if its more than 1 year he wont get 6.. i gaurantee it..

there are so many teams with boat loads of cap space this year, i wouldn't be surprised if semin got close to 8 and doan got 6+, because why not? it's one year, it has no effect on your cap space next year, and in a lot of cases paying those guys still wont cut enough in to their cap space to hurt them at the deadline where contracts are prorated

and that's just the stanley cup competitors..

there's quite a few teams that are quite a large amount under the floor that need to add salary..

you're basically looking at doan and semin being bid on by competitors with boat loads of cap space for this year, and basement dwellers with a bunch to spend just to get to the cap.. neither of them are going to sign for 4 mil (strictly speaking 1 year deals)

 

[awaz]

You are forgetting one other major thing about the KHL that might keep someone "just in it for the money" may wish to avoid.

living in russia?

 

[elocomotive]

You are forgetting one other major thing about the KHL that might keep someone "just in it for the money" may wish to avoid.

The fact that despite the rumors, they don't actually pay all that well?

 

[DChero]

if its more than 1 year he wont get 6.. i gaurantee it..

there are so many teams with boat loads of cap space this year, i wouldn't be surprised if semin got close to 8 and doan got 6+, because why not? it's one year, it has no effect on your cap space next year, and in a lot of cases paying those guys still wont cut enough in to their cap space to hurt them at the deadline where contracts are prorated

and that's just the stanley cup competitors..

there's quite a few teams that are quite a large amount under the floor that need to add salary..

you're basically looking at doan and semin being bid on by competitors with boat loads of cap space for this year, and basement dwellers with a bunch to spend just to get to the cap.. neither of them are going to sign for 4 mil (strictly speaking 1 year deals)

We'll, Semin and Doan are in different places in their career. Semin's stock is down based on the decline in his offensive production last year. I certainly agree that there are teams out there that will bite out of desperation, but most contenders seem to be hesitant to allow him into their locker rooms at a high price. I think it would be beneficial to him to sign a one-year deal to improve that stock. If he hits the 40 goal mark again, he may end up with a Kovalchuk type of deal.

Doan is tricky because of the circumstances. His age will affect his term more than the money. He still produces at a high level and he adds a lot to the locker room.

I'd say that they're stock is pretty close at this point, though Doan is less of a gamble because he isn't pushing for a 6-10 year deal.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

living in russia?

Living in some bumfuck industrial town in Russia.

Don't give me that whole "but they grew up there..." BS either.

Many of those small towns make Cleveland look like Atlantis.

 

[awaz]

We'll, Semin and Doan are in different places in their career. Semin's stock is down based on the decline in his offensive production last year. I certainly agree that there are teams out there that will bite out of desperation, but most contenders seem to be hesitant to allow him into their locker rooms at a high price. I think it would be beneficial to him to sign a one-year deal to improve that stock. If he hits the 40 goal mark again, he may end up with a Kovalchuk type of deal.

Doan is tricky because of the circumstances. His age will affect his term more than the money. He still produces at a high level and he adds a lot to the locker room.

I'd say that they're stock is pretty close at this point, though Doan is less of a gamble because he isn't pushing for a 6-10 year deal.

it probably would be beneficial to him.. my point is, even if he does sign that one year deal, its going to be for a lot.. there are so many teams with nothing to lose.. thats why i'm ok with the flyers signing him for 6.7 mil.. on a 1 year contract he's the same risk if he's making 10 mil, or making 900k.. so teams with the cap space (and the financial stability) will bid like crazy for him because it has no bearing on their future.. if he gets to be a problem in the room, he gets waived/cut/traded/sent to russia however you wanna look at it

only reason he hasn't signed for big money yet is because teams would've rather given that big money to parise.. and now they'd rather give it to doan.. once doan signs, semin will sign for at least 6.5 for 1 year.. if it's a longer term deal it might come down a little, but if its a long term deal, i'm guessing its to a team trying to get to the cap, and therefore will still be fairly high

 

[elocomotive]

We'll, Semin and Doan are in different places in their career. Semin's stock is down based on the decline in his offensive production last year. I certainly agree that there are teams out there that will bite out of desperation, but most contenders seem to be hesitant to allow him into their locker rooms at a high price. I think it would be beneficial to him to sign a one-year deal to improve that stock. If he hits the 40 goal mark again, he may end up with a Kovalchuk type of deal.

I don't see how one season makes that difference. Semin was, is, and will be a guy capable of scoring 45 goals or scoring only 20. He would need to have like 3 seasons at 40 goals or more to show he is capable of being a Kovy-type player. Kovalchuk had averaged 47 goals a year in his first four season. So his stock isn't going to change much with a 1-year done because, again, real GMs don't just look at one season, or just at stats, or whatever, they look at a totality of circumstances to determine a player's value.

I don't know how long he is looking for, he's been unclear. But Semin has been clear on one thing, he doesn't want another one-year deal. So whether you think it's a smart move for him or not, it's not what he and his agent are looking for. What you're suggesting Alex Semin say to himself is this - "yeah, a huge pay cut, no future security, and being removed from my best friend in the NHL... sounds great!!"

 

[esls79]

Derek Roy shoulder surgery out until at least November.

I guess the Sabres really took the whole Fuck Dallas to another level.

 

[JustAsking]

I've followed the guy for his whole career and have no understanding of him. But I certainly know him and his agent better than you, and that won't happen.

OK... but what do you think about the other two options I mentioned in the sentence you partially quoted? KHL or long term deal to a non contending team... can you see detroit, pitt, phil, was, van, any power house team giving him a deal with money more than 6.7 mil and longer than 5 yrs? IMO if he wants to go to one of those teams, he'll make 5-7 mil for 2-3 yrs? One team may go as high as 3 yrs 21 mil.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Derek Roy shoulder surgery out until at least November.

I guess the Sabres really took the whole Fuck Dallas to another level.

Haha, kinda reminds me of when the Yankees traded Soriano to the Rangers and afterwards told them "Oh yeah he's actually like 32 not 28 and in his prime,". Shipping damaged goods to the Lone Star State seems to be the thing to do in the state of New York.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Caps sign Wojtek Wolski....

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

1 year, don't know price....

 

[mooger_35]

@TheStanchion: Wolski signed for $600,000 with Washington? Great project signing on that one.

 

[DChero]

I don't see how one season makes that difference. Semin was, is, and will be a guy capable of scoring 45 goals or scoring only 20. He would need to have like 3 seasons at 40 goals or more to show he is capable of being a Kovy-type player. Kovalchuk had averaged 47 goals a year in his first four season. So his stock isn't going to change much with a 1-year done because, again, real GMs don't just look at one season, or just at stats, or whatever, they look at a totality of circumstances to determine a player's value.

I don't know how long he is looking for, he's been unclear. But Semin has been clear on one thing, he doesn't want another one-year deal. So whether you think it's a smart move for him or not, it's not what he and his agent are looking for. What you're suggesting Alex Semin say to himself is this - "yeah, a huge pay cut, no future security, and being removed from my best friend in the NHL... sounds great!!"

If he's worth so much, then why haven't the Caps resigned him?