Everyone needs to chill and get off Kap's back

[Montalban]

Only a Seahawks fan would think wearing another teams hat during the offseason at the beach indicates a guy isn't dedicated to his team. Also I'm pretty sure Bowman didn't "call him out on it".

I'm sure the team sees a guy who comes in early and stays late to bust his ass. They'll forgive him wearing a stupid hat in the offseason.

I seem to remember that he did; along with some other leaders on the team.

 

[Montalban]

Come on now. Kaepernick is directing an offense that is dead last, dead last in the league tin red zone touchdown production. There is no geting around that horrific stat. Seems to me we need to get on his back, not off it.

 

[Pattersonca65]

Come on now. Kaepernick is directing an offense that is dead last, dead last in the league tin red zone touchdown production. There is no geting around that horrific stat. Seems to me we need to get on his back, not off it.

It was really bad when Alex Smith was here also. See any pattern in that?

 

[MHSL82]

It was really bad when Alex Smith was here also. See any pattern in that?

Kansas City is first or second in that this year, so that suggests it's the coaching that hurts our red zone numbers. Here's my theory - Harbaugh is conservative so FGs are ok, Roman leans on the pass in these situations, Kaepernick cares IMO about being the hero a little more than some, etc.

Here's the efficiency of yards per TD for the league. We are right there with the bad teams.

The Niners rack up a lot of yards with little to show for it. It takes 170+ yards of offense to score a TD. Not sure on yards per point if you include field goals.

Team Rush TD Rec TD Yds/G Yds/TD
Minnesota Vikings 9 6 316.4 189.84
New York Jets 8 8 324.3 182.4188
Jacksonville Jaguars 5 11 313.1 176.1188
San Francisco 49ers 3 13 345.6 172.8
Tennessee ***ans 4 11 321 171.2
Carolina Panthers 5 12 321.2 170.0471
St. Louis Rams 4 11 318.5 169.8667
Oakland Raiders 2 12 288.6 164.9143
Houston Texans 8 11 346.7 164.2263
Philadelphia Eagles 5 15 409.2 163.68
Detroit Lions 6 11 338.8 159.4353
Washington Redskins 10 12 386.9 158.2773
Buffalo Bills 3 14 326.9 153.8353
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4 12 303.9 151.95
Cleveland Browns 9 10 352.2 148.2947
Miami Dolphins 6 14 365.8 146.32
Dallas Cowboys 7 17 386.2 144.825
Pittsburgh Steelers 3 23 413.6 143.1692
Arizona Cardinals 5 14 330.4 139.1158
Seattle Seahawks 9 11 347.2 138.88
Cincinnati Bengals 12 9 361.6 137.7524
Atlanta Falcons 7 15 375.6 136.5818
Chicago Bears 4 17 353.6 134.7048
Baltimore Ravens 9 16 370.7 133.452
San Diego Chargers 3 20 333.8 130.6174
New Orleans Saints 12 15 436.5 129.3333
New England Patriots 3 23 367 127.0385
Indianapolis Colts 6 26 451.2 126.9
New York Giants 6 16 345.9 125.7818
Kansas City Chiefs 11 11 338 122.9091
Green Bay Packers 7 19 346.1 106.4923
Denver Broncos 7 24 407.6 105.1871

 

[MHSL82]

Well, the preview of that chart worked. Just look at the last number in each line for each team (though the first three are important, too).

We're right there with the bad teams, but I feel that we aren't that bad (garbage time yards like others), just inconsistent. NO is there, too. That's why yards, passing or rushing, may be overrated. Just score Niners. Easy, right?

You might say, no,duh, scoring touchdowns wins. But there are some teams that can't score touchdowns or get yards. So the point is that we're getting yards and if we can fix that efficiency we'll win more, without having to produce all that much more.

 

[Montalban]

It was really bad when Alex Smith was here also. See any pattern in that?

I see your point but it could also be that both of them suck as red zone QBs. At least Smith can use the excuse that he had no receivers. Kaepernick has the best set of 5 receivers of any team in the NFL

 

[deep9er]

I see your point but it could also be that both of them suck as red zone QBs. At least Smith can use the excuse that he had no receivers. Kaepernick has the best set of 5 receivers of any team in the NFL

yes, Kaep has difficulty with shorter passes, and this weakness shows up more in the red zone. Does anyone recall Kaep throwing a pass in the middle of the Red Zone, IN the end zone? 'Middle' in this case isn't limited between the numbers either. Clearly it isn't his arm strength, but intangibles.

With Kaep you take the good with the bad, cause between the 20's he does very well. his strong arm can be maximized, and his threat of running can be maximized. This year he's throwing even better between the 20's.

next, I suspect Boldin and Crabtree can't get open in short distances? Don't think Davis does it well either? Johnson MAYBE, but then you wonder why we don't use him more if he could?

 

[darken65]

I see your point but it could also be that both of them suck as red zone QBs. At least Smith can use the excuse that he had no receivers. Kaepernick has the best set of 5 receivers of any team in the NFL

Really? Is this based on the ratings before the season or current? How many dropped balls have the WRs made so far this season? I'm not posting that Kap is not an issue with the passing game nor will I say the plays that are called are great or even good for that matter but I just have never seen this as a true statment.

 

[SteelersPride]

He is better then most

ehhhhhh........can you name 16 qb's worse

 

[MHSL82]

I see your point but it could also be that both of them suck as red zone QBs. At least Smith can use the excuse that he had no receivers. Kaepernick has the best set of 5 receivers of any team in the NFL

Kansas City is first or second in that this year, so that suggests it's the coaching that hurts our red zone numbers. It isn't the QBs sucking. We haven't seen Kaepernick with another coach so we don't know if he'd do what KC is doing. Incidentally, they are top three in 3rd Down conversions and passing on 3rd and 8+ (1st). It could be a result of Harbaugh/Roman conservatively holding back their QBs because he doesn't/didn't trust them.

 

[Montalban]

Really? Is this based on the ratings before the season or current? How many dropped balls have the WRs made so far this season? I'm not posting that Kap is not an issue with the passing game nor will I say the plays that are called are great or even good for that matter but I just have never seen this as a true statment.

A very small number compared to the number of miraculous catches they've made on errant kaepernick throws that are routinely made by good QBs.

 

[FourBeeDen]

Kansas City is first or second in that this year, so that suggests it's the coaching that hurts our red zone numbers. It isn't the QBs sucking. We haven't seen Kaepernick with another coach so we don't know if he'd do what KC is doing. Incidentally, they are top three in 3rd Down conversions and passing on 3rd and 8+ (1st). It could be a result of Harbaugh/Roman conservatively holding back their QBs because he doesn't/didn't trust them.

I don't think that comparing KC and the 49ers' red zone scoring numbers explains the current woes the 9ers are experiencing in the RZ... Looking back at the 4 years that this coaching staff will show a different picture.

In 2011 the 49ers were 30th in the league with a 40.68% effieciency in the RZ. In 2012 they were 15th with 54.69%. In 2013 they were 15the with 53.03 %. So far this year they are 32nd with 40%.

So from 2011-2013, they have the same coaching staff and basically the same personell. The main thing this year is that they have lost their offesive identity and got away from running the ball more. With all these weapons on offense they now posses which was not there in previous years, it seems that they are trying too hard to spread the ball around. This team was built on power football, now they are trying to be too cute. Plain and simple...

 

[deep9er]

back in 2012 this board had a LOT of rants on NOT running the ball. Not that running was totally wrong, but most wanted more passing. Last year the "3rd WR" was a hot topic and hence we got Steve Johnson. So heading into this season, we were happy and excited about what our passing game would do?

Roman started the season leaning pass, but it hasn't worked out. So we're now seeing more and more posts about going back to power running. it isn't about which, but execution. if our offense executes, we could do either reasonably well.

for years I've been for balance, but the enforcement of 'no contact' forces teams to pass. So despite what's been happening to our offense, I'm still ok leaning pass, "lean" means 52 or 53% passing. granted the issue isn't really pass, but RZ passing.

 

[jarrod49]

ehhhhhh........can you name 16 qb's worse

Palmer, Davis, Glennon, Newton, Dalton, Bortles, G smith, A smith, Orton, Cutler, Fitzpatrick, tannehill, bridgewater, carr, mettenberger. RG3, hoyer. foles, Stafford

there I even gave you 3 more than you asked for.

 

[deep9er]

Kaep looks great between the 20's, always did. that is also why he looks so explosive, because he can wing it downfield 'on a rope', or had long runs in open field. but the red zone is different cause defenders has less green to defend.

its no secret the 49ers have kicked way too many field goals, going back three seasons. So this tells us Kaep has an issue with shorter passes. he can throw way right or way left into the end zone, but avoids other routes.

 

[Cut My Red I Bleed Gold]

Kaep looks great between the 20's, always did. that is also why he looks so explosive, because he can wing it downfield 'on a rope', or had long runs in open field. but the red zone is different cause defenders has less green to defend.

its no secret the 49ers have kicked way too many field goals, going back three seasons. So this tells us Kaep has an issue with shorter passes. he can throw way right or way left into the end zone, but avoids other routes.

Yes I agree...defenses stack the box inside the 20 and force Kaep to go through his reads where the amount of time to find someone open is very short...someone is always blanketing VD, and Roman is falling asleep at the wheel in terms of play calling forgetting that Kaep is not an elite pocket passer. No screens, no stacked WR formations where space is created by rubs...no creativity.

 

[Montalban]

They got it done but man it is so hard to like Kaepernick with the childish twitter nonsense posting a picture making the "shhhh" finger to the mouth telling the haters to shut up. Good gracious, what a tool this guy is.

 

[AU_Fever]

They got it done but man it is so hard to like Kaepernick with the childish twitter nonsense posting a picture making the "shhhh" finger to the mouth telling the haters to shut up. Good gracious, what a tool this guy is.

Happy to see the win, but Kap needs to have better pocket presence. He keeps taking sacks instead of just throwing the ball out of bounds. I agree that he is very immature and I have my doubts that he can lead the Niners to their 6th Lombardi trophy.

 

[deep9er]

Happy to see the win, but Kap needs to have better pocket presence. He keeps taking sacks instead of just throwing the ball out of bounds. I agree that he is very immature and I have my doubts that he can lead the Niners to their 6th Lombardi trophy.

IMO he can lead the Niners to a SB win, but he can't carry them on his shoulders. He has good and bad like all QB's, but there is more 'good' than 'bad'. lack of pocket presence is on of those bads, and making a big play to Crabtree (last week to Gore) is one of those goods.

Said this last year, we read a lot of post about his potential and high ceiling, but he's already at his ceiling. He has started more than enough games now, and has been immersed more than enough in THIS offense. IF he was going to get better, it would've shown end of last season.

Bottom line for me.......not wanting to replace him at all, but wouldn't hesitate to draft a QB should great value arise? doesn't need to be round 1, but I'd seriously be looking for our next QB.

 

[Montalban]

Happy to see the win, but Kap needs to have better pocket presence. He keeps taking sacks instead of just throwing the ball out of bounds. I agree that he is very immature and I have my doubts that he can lead the Niners to their 6th Lombardi trophy.

I actually thought he did a little better in staying in the pocket during the Saints game. The results really didn't show it but it seemed like he made an effort to step up in the pocket. You can't take away his running completely because its a big part of the threat with Colin Kaepernick but I agree, he needs to become more polished in the pocket.