NFL needs to consider relagation and two-tiered system

[dtgold88]

You sure. They had only 2 winning seasons from 1968- 1992.

You may want to check it before you rebut it.

but then they magically changed the culture. Get Favre, don;t get him. Didn't matter.

 

[Moab]

You sure. They had only 2 winning seasons from 1968- 1992.

You may want to check it before you rebut it.

I'd like to see an actual credible link. There was some talk on the NFL films Lombardi show, but nothing solid. Just the structure of the organization makes it almost impossible.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I'd like to see an actual credible link. There was some talk on the NFL films Lombardi show, but nothing solid. Just the structure of the organization makes it almost impossible.

I might of read a what if. As the 1998 sale would not have worked the same way.

But either way the point was still that they were an awful franchise from 1968 to 1992. And that Favre saved the team.

There is belief that they would not have gotten Reggie white either because why would he want to go to a loser.

Now of course what ifs could have had similar results somehow. But hard to expect they would have found a hof qb to make the team as good as it was.

 

[Moab]

I might of read a what if. As the 1998 sale would not have worked the same way.

But either way the point was still that they were an awful franchise from 1968 to 1992. And that Favre saved the team.

There is belief that they would not have gotten Reggie white either because why would he want to go to a loser.

Now of course what ifs could have had similar results somehow. But hard to expect they would have found a hof qb to make the team as good as it was.

Firstly, don't make stuff up, which you did about them moving from Green Bay. The setup of the organization makes it virtually impossible.

You can make the argument that the QB is the great equalizer and I do agree to some extent. I also believe that culture is a very key element to success. There have been plenty of very good QBs that have done nothing because they were with incompetent and bad culture franchises. That list is huge. It takes more than a QB, that is for sure. Take a look at all the posts and narratives about 'are the (fill in the team) wasting HOF QBs career". There are hundreds of them. It takes the entire franchise to build a good team, not just the QB.

 

[dtgold88]

I'd like to see an actual credible link. There was some talk on the NFL films Lombardi show, but nothing solid. Just the structure of the organization makes it almost impossible.

I can agree don't recall hearing anything about a move (especially considering the structure as you mention). But those QBs were why you won (and are winning). Not culture.

and that's not a bad thing.....finding QBs is harder than anything, and not exactly like your team did it with high picks in round 1.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Firstly, don't make stuff up, which you did about them moving from Green Bay. The setup of the organization makes it virtually impossible.

You can make the argument that the QB is the great equalizer and I do agree to some extent. I also believe that culture is a very key element to success. There have been plenty of very good QBs that have done nothing because they were with incompetent and bad culture franchises. That list is huge. It takes more than a QB, that is for sure. Take a look at all the posts and narratives about 'are the (fill in the team) wasting HOF QBs career". There are hundreds of them. It takes the entire franchise to build a good team, not just the QB.

I didn’t make it up. I read it somewhere. But like I said. I may of read a what if.

 

[Battlelyon]

If you think NFL isn't competitive you should check out MLB. It is completely broken.

 

[Moab]

I can agree don't recall hearing anything about a move (especially considering the structure as you mention). But those QBs were why you won (and are winning). Not culture.

and that's not a bad thing.....finding QBs is harder than anything, and not exactly like your team did it with high picks in round 1.

I will state again, my opinion is it takes more than a QB.

I followed the Packers from the 70's to now, and the difference in the culture of the franchise is massive. From the Devine to Infante era the Packers ran that team like they did in the 60's under Lombardi. That was to let the coach be the coach and GM. That wasn't how successful NFL franchises ran at that time. They had personell departments, but the coach had final say. The board of directors were a bunch of dudes that also thought they knew something about football, reality is they didn't until they named Harlan as the director and he brought them into the modern era. Modern era is hire an actual football GM and let them do their job. That means handling the football operations without the board interfering.

Having a good QB is only 1 part of the equation, bad coaches, bad personell decisions, crap trades and signings add in new problems. Solid culture also gets you the 1 key thing that you need to get the obelisk, buy in. All teams have talent, but in the end it usually are the teams that has the players that buy into the system, buy into the goal and play to the system and goal that win it all.

 

[Battlelyon]

Nobody told the Browns to make the dumbest trade in NFL history and follow it up with the dumbest contract in NFL history.

As far as the Bears, like the Btowns they can't develop quarterbacks. Which is the most important position.

 

[Podunkparte]

No. They don't.

 

[Moab]

You sure. They had only 2 winning seasons from 1968- 1992.

You may want to check it before you rebut it.

I might of read a what if. As the 1998 sale would not have worked the same way.

But either way the point was still that they were an awful franchise from 1968 to 1992. And that Favre saved the team.

There is belief that they would not have gotten Reggie white either because why would he want to go to a loser.

Now of course what ifs could have had similar results somehow. But hard to expect they would have found a hof qb to make the team as good as it was.

I didn’t make it up. I read it somewhere. But like I said. I may of read a what if.

The first post here is you doubling down on your claim.

The next is you saying maybe I read it wrong or as a what if.

The last post is you understanding that at no point were the Packers moving, only that they were awful in the 70's and 80's. That leads me to believe that you made it up to try to justify your earlier claims.

 

[dtgold88]

I will state again, my opinion is it takes more than a QB.

I followed the Packers from the 70's to now, and the difference in the culture of the franchise is massive. From the Devine to Infante era the Packers ran that team like they did in the 60's under Lombardi. That was to let the coach be the coach and GM. That wasn't how successful NFL franchises ran at that time. They had personell departments, but the coach had final say. The board of directors were a bunch of dudes that also thought they knew something about football, reality is they didn't until they named Harlan as the director and he brought them into the modern era. Modern era is hire an actual football GM and let them do their job. That means handling the football operations without the board interfering.

Having a good QB is only 1 part of the equation, bad coaches, bad personell decisions, crap trades and signings add in new problems. Solid culture also gets you the 1 key thing that you need to get the obelisk, buy in. All teams have talent, but in the end it usually are the teams that has the players that buy into the system, buy into the goal and play to the system and goal that win it all.

Does it take more? Sure. But no Favre, Rodgers and now Love and replace them with middling players and that culture is useless.

 

[dtgold88]

Nobody told the Browns to make the dumbest trade in NFL history and follow it up with the dumbest contract in NFL history.

As far as the Bears, like the Btowns they can't develop quarterbacks. Which is the most important position.

I mean, Watson a screw up but THIS regime has gotten most other QBs to play as well or better than expected. The Bears? Might just be they didn't have the right QB.

Guess this is true of Browns as they just picked bad QBs before this regime.

 

[Battlelyon]

I mean, Watson a screw up but THIS regime has gotten most other QBs to play as well or better than expected. The Bears? Might just be they didn't have the right QB.

Guess this is true of Browns as they just picked bad QBs before this regime.

Not this year, Watson was bad this year, Winston can't stop is fun but makes mistakes and the third guy is just a filler

 

[MilkSpiller22]

The first post here is you doubling down on your claim.

The next is you saying maybe I read it wrong or as a what if.

The last post is you understanding that at no point were the Packers moving, only that they were awful in the 70's and 80's. That leads me to believe that you made it up to try to justify your earlier claims.

Clearly they didn’t move prior to Favre. But there was always rumors. How close they actually were, I have no clue. But if it wasn’t for Favre it would have only gotten worse. And again, things would have been much more complicated in 1998.

Prior to Favre, the Packers were in bad shape

That is a good packer site excerpt about this. Yes I concede nowhere does it say that they were moving to Milwaukee. But it does show how bleak it was and how believable a potential move would have been.

 

[dtgold88]

Not this year, Watson was bad this year, Winston can't stop is fun but makes mistakes and the third guy is just a filler

Watson they definitely did not get to play as hoped. Winston played as expected and DTR seems like he will be a journeyman at best (which is expected for a 5th round QB).

Getting 7 wins last year out of DTR, Walker and Flacco - considering all the other injuries on O - nothing short of amazing.

 

[black francis]

So realignment every year

Cool

 

[wilwhite]

The NFL is not really a competitive league anymore despite many efforts aimed at creating a level playing field. It's time for radical measures. It's time...to send the Bears and some other franchises down to the minors for a while. I speak of...relegation.

You have a clear divergence between teams like the Bears and Browns, who are seemingly incapable of fielding a competitive team under the salary cap and drafting responsibly, and teams like the Chiefs and Ravens and Niners and Eagles, who seem to know how to compete year in and year out. The draft and salary cap are intended to be protections against any team becoming too strong, but they don't account for sheer incompetence, and the league's revenue sharing means even total losers make a ton of money. Something has to change.

I propose a system of major and minor leagues, similar to what they do in soccer. The teams that finish at the bottom of the major league are relegated to the minors, and the ones that finish at the top of the minors are elevated to the majors.

We basically have that with the playoffs. Half the league gets in.

If the NFL expands to 48 teams, sure. That would make the last weeks of the season interesting even for the sucky teams.

 

[wilwhite]

it's actually MLB by a fair amount.

That’s probably true, and I bet pitching matchups play a big role. If a bad team’s #1 goes against a good team’s #4, that’s about even. With the NFL it’s basically the best version of each team facing off every game.

 

[PDay8810]

Now you guys are over thinking this shit.

the QB is the most important position in sports but not the end all to winning games.