Dwyane Wade to Cleveland??

[Devon Withers]

Are the Cavs the favorites once again in the East? Is Boston? Or was Cleveland the favorites before this news broke....?

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Cavs were always the favorites come playoff time

 

[Devon Withers]

@mr.hockey4242 in the East I hope you mean....not the entire NBA....

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

No, Celtics are.

 

[RobToxin]

They were the favorites without him.

 

[CitySushi]

Cavs were still the favorite. The Celtics went from being a great perimeter defensive team, to a middling one now. They still have deficiencies in rebounding and interior scoring. Cavs match up really well with them. Kyrie and Hayward are an effective guard combo, but they're not getting past the Cavs without Horford or another player really stepping it up.

 

[gordontrue]

 

[gordontrue]

 

[GNG]

Wade is an upgrade over Irving.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Wade is an upgrade over Irving.

They play different positions.

 

[Heatles84]

Wade is an upgrade over Irving.

Eh, not so sure anymore. Irving was never a great defender, or an average one for that matter. But Irving is an elite scorer, and Wade, albeit still a quality 2-guard, doesn't have the same offensive ability and he's about as effective on the defensive end now given that he simply doesn't try on that end anymore. Plus, Irving was able to play alongside Lebron so efficiently because he could hit the 3 - Wade can't do that.

 

[GNG]

They play different positions.

So what?

 

[larryjohn]

Eh, not so sure anymore. Irving was never a great defender, or an average one for that matter. But Irving is an elite scorer, and Wade, albeit still a quality 2-guard, doesn't have the same offensive ability and he's about as effective on the defensive end now given that he simply doesn't try on that end anymore. Plus, Irving was able to play alongside Lebron so efficiently because he could hit the 3 - Wade can't do that.

Yes -- I agree.

I think we can agree the Cavs are a better team -- as long as IT comes back and plays at a reasonable level in Y2018.

I could see the Cavs keeping Shumpert as a defensive guard -- particularly against players like Kyrie and the Ws.

It will be a challenge for Lue to have this team fit together offensively. (although -- I think it would be better for him to focus first on defense -- like the Celtics did when they started with their Big 3) Spo struggled his first year on offensive schemes -- then he did a very good job with them in years 2 & 3.

It was relatively simple to run an offense with one main ball handler (Lebron &/or Kyrie) -- and 3 or 4 3-point shooters. (with either TT setting the pick or on the bench) They could just stick the other players around the 3-point line and let Lebron/Kyrie do their thing. It will be tougher with an offense where 2-3 players aren't great 3-point shooters and they can't just play an ISO-based offense.

 

[tlance]

Wade is an upgrade over Irving.

Not even close.

And I am a Kyrie hater.

But, I don't think they play different positions. Kyrie is a PG in name only. He plays like a scoring wing.

 

[tlance]

Yes -- I agree.

I think we can agree the Cavs are a better team -- as long as IT comes back and plays at a reasonable level in Y2018.

I could see the Cavs keeping Shumpert as a defensive guard -- particularly against players like Kyrie and the Ws.

It will be a challenge for Lue to have this team fit together offensively. (although -- I think it would be better for him to focus first on defense -- like the Celtics did when they started with their Big 3) Spo struggled his first year on offensive schemes -- then he did a very good job with them in years 2 & 3.

It was relatively simple to run an offense with one main ball handler (Lebron &/or Kyrie) -- and 3 or 4 3-point shooters. (with either TT setting the pick or on the bench) They could just stick the other players around the 3-point line and let Lebron/Kyrie do their thing. It will be tougher with an offense where 2-3 players aren't great 3-point shooters and they can't just play an ISO-based offense.

This is spot on. Lue will have to do some real coaching because the pieces don't fit quite as well as they used to.

 

[gordontrue]

Yeah, current Wade is not an upgrade over current Kyrie. (Unless we're talking about Chemistry)

But.... I think IT, Wade, Jae, & Rose is an upgrade.

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

I wish I had a loyal best friend like D.WADE

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

Wade is an upgrade over Irving.

How so? Chemistry wise I would probably agree with you. Performance and ability wise? No. Wade is running on fumes at this point

 

[tducey]

I had the Cavs winning the trade with Boston so this move makes them even stronger as a favorite in the East IMO.

 

[Fish]

I had the Cavs winning the trade with Boston so this move makes them even stronger as a favorite in the East IMO.

Crippled guard and senior citizen guard make them stronger.