Does Fantasy Football dictate how we judge players?

[Balljim55]

In other words do we judge players from the past like Fran Tarkenton, Bart Starr, Terry Bradshaw, Sonny Jergonson, etc on their stats or the fact that they were winners.

 

[kramer1]

Well, yes. Your players comps are poor, though. The game it totally different today.

Do we judge player to player now based on fantasy points? Of course. It's why Cam Newton is a fantasy beast but an average at best real world qb.

 

[Balljim55]

You are proving my point exactly, calling Cam an average at best real world QB (based on his completion % I suppose) versus judging him on how he contributes to winning games.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I judged those guys well before Fantasy Football came along. Trent Dilfer still sucks. Joe Namath belongs nowhere in the HOF, etc.

 

[PatsFan2003]

Without a doubt. It's been the basis for Tony Romo love for years. Who to be fair may finally be turning into a good QB.

 

[kramer1]

You are proving my point exactly, calling Cam an average at best real world QB (based on his completion % I suppose) versus judging him on how he contributes to winning games.

Homer alert!

58%, more losing seasons than winning ones. Horrendous td to int ratio.

He can run. He can steal td's from his rb's like nobodies business. He can take a bribe with the best of 'em.

He's average and that's ok. It really is. Average will win you games. Dalton is average.

 

[Beaker]

I always found calling a guy "a winner" with no real numbers to back it up just means "he has been on pretty good teams". Great players reveal themselves through great plays that lead to wins, not just the wins themselves.

As to the question, yeah, fantasy colors our preseption a bit, no doubt, but great fantasy players tend to be great players in the context of the game as well.

 

[kramer1]

I always found calling a guy "a winner" with no real numbers to back it up just means "he has been on pretty good teams". Great players reveal themselves through great plays that lead to wins, not just the wins themselves.

As to the question, yeah, fantasy colors our preseption a bit, no doubt, but great fantasy players tend to be great players in the context of the game as well.

Would you consider Philip Rivers to be a great QB?

 

[Beaker]

Would you consider Philip Rivers to be a great QB?

"Great" is an abstract word that is hard to draw a line on (you must be THIS good to be "great") but I do know that there are probably 20 teams in the league that would love to have him as QB for a season.

 

[kramer1]

"Great" is an abstract word that is hard to draw a line on (you must be THIS good to be "great") but I do know that there are probably 20 teams in the league that would love to have him as QB for a season.

At least 20. Rivers puts family over winning. It's one reason why he'll never be considered great. He could have forced his way to a good team by now if he wanted.

 

[futballiscool]

When I started watching football you got to see your local teams games plus 1 or 2 nationally televised games a week. The national games were generally the marquee winning teams and big market franchises. Now any NFL fan can go to down the street to a bar and watch every game, every week. Fans are more informed about the quality of players and they don't have to assume any player on a winning team is a winner. I think that's bigger on the change in perception than FF

 

[Robotech]

Homer alert!

58%, more losing seasons than winning ones. Horrendous td to int ratio.

He can run. He can steal td's from his rb's like nobodies business. He can take a bribe with the best of 'em.

He's average and that's ok. It really is. Average will win you games. Dalton is average.

An average QB can win games on a good team. This is so true, but people overlook this because QB's get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses. It's always been that way. An average to below average QB can win a Super Bowl. The greatest proof of this is Eli Manning having two Super Bowl rings. The Bengals have a legit shot this year.

 

[kramer1]

An average QB can win games on a good team. This is so true, but people overlook this because QB's get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses. It's always been that way. An average to below average QB can win a Super Bowl. The greatest proof of this is Eli Manning having two Super Bowl rings. The Bengals have a legit shot this year.

Good call on Eli.

A playoff run has a lot of luck involved too.

 

[NEhomer]

Fantasy football dictates how we judge the fems who have nothing better to do.

 

[kramer1]

Fantasy football dictates how we judge the fems who have nothing better to do.

Gambling isn't manly?

 

[NEhomer]

Get a fuckin' life already.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

An average QB can win games on a good team. This is so true, but people overlook this because QB's get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses. It's always been that way. An average to below average QB can win a Super Bowl. The greatest proof of this is Eli Manning having two Super Bowl rings. The Bengals have a legit shot this year.

Eli Manning just passed Joe Montana on the all time TD passes list

Average

LOL

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Id love to know the percentage

Would you consider Philip Rivers to be a great QB?

Definition of a fantasy QB

 

[Rock Strongo]

Eli Manning just passed Joe Montana on the all time TD passes list

Average

LOL

eli is average, to below average.

more than a pick per game. everytime he takes the field, you know you have at least one free pick coming.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

eli is average, to below average.

more than a pick per game. everytime he takes the field, you know you have at least one free pick coming.

Yeah, we know why you hate Eli

We celebrate it often in NY