POLL Does Bosa Play For The Chargers This Year?

[Born to run]

Once he signs he'll have nothing to prove and no incentive to do well until late into his 3rd year.

That's usually how it goes doesn't it. Shit

 

[Davis_Mike]

I gotta believe he will sign before the first game or right after the first couple of weeks of the season. I just can't believe he would throw away the "bird in the hand" money & gamble that he might get drafted high again.

His agent is really doing him a disservice.

 

[Duffman]

I think the last big Rookie holdout for the Chargers was Phillip Rivers, which is ironic because the guy they originally drafted refused to play for them and so the guy they were stuck with held out.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

Once he signs he'll have nothing to prove and no incentive to do well until late into his 3rd year.

Well if he doesn't try he won't be playing. Not like after 2.5 years he can just say "oh I'll start and play well now".

I think he signs, just a wild guess but would say before week 1. A holdout only loses him money for games he misses, a full season holdout likely drops his draft stock pretty well where he's making less on a contract and pushes him another year out from his first free agency. It's 5 mil give or take gone, plus potential loss of money if he isn't top 5 next year (doubtful he will be), plus 1 less year of his prime earnings after his rookie deal is up.

 

[Bolts]

Once he signs he'll have nothing to prove and no incentive to do well until late into his 3rd year.

Except for the fact that not giving a shit until his 3rd year will really hurt his chances to get a big contract after he finishes out his rookie deal. Why would any team pay somebody who purposely doesn't try to help his team because of an earlier petty contract dispute?

 

[broncosmitty]

Don't be stupid.

The answer is YES.

He can never make up for the money lost. And his pick is too Valueable to a garbage franchise. He signs, or he's traded.

Outside of Bo Jackson(who would've rather had AIDs than be Buc after what they did to him) who has sat out a season to play elsewhere?

 

[broncosmitty]

Bosa re-enters draft, gets taken in the second round.

Re-enters again and goes in the third.

Re-enters again and goes in the fourth.

Re-enters again and goes in the fifth.

Re-enters again and goes in the sixth.

Re-enters again and goes in the seventh.

Finally, he is not selected and the Patriots give him an UDFA offer for the vet minimum, proceeds to lead Pats defense to back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back Super Bowl wins and the most unlikely HOF career ever.

Whats your handle on "chatter"?

I'm asking for a friend...

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I gotta believe he will sign before the first game or right after the first couple of weeks of the season. I just can't believe he would throw away the "bird in the hand" money & gamble that he might get drafted high again.

His agent is really doing him a disservice.

Yeah he's in a tough spot. Hard to pass on money in hand, hard to tie yourself to a franchise that won't hesitate to take every advantage, no matter how petty. The second contract is the one that makes you financially set, but that one relies one how you play under the first contract. Got to think that Bosa feels that a team that is run right helps a player succeed and that's not the Chargers.
Think he'll hold his nose and sign with the Chargers with a lot of forbidding thoughts running thru his mind. If he's lucky he can get the Chargers to trade him after his first year of play.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

If he's lucky he can get the Chargers to trade him after his first year of play.

Doubtful,

1. Will be next to impossible to recoup that draft value. He'll have to be playing at an all-pro level most likely.

2. Looking at Wentz's deal to compare, 13 mil dead money and costs them 7.3 mil more against the cap to trade Wentz than to keep him. Most of those rookies money is in their signing bonus, which makes it very hard to trade them when they've signed a contract early on.

 

[GeekSportsFan]

For fuck's sake....my Chargers are making the Cleveland Browns look like management geniuses. My wife, an Oakland Raiders fan, is begging me to board the Raider bandwagon. If this keeps up, I just might hop on board.

 

[molsaniceman]

Don't be stupid.

The answer is YES.

He can never make up for the money lost. And his pick is too Valueable to a garbage franchise. He signs, or he's traded.

Outside of Bo Jackson(who would've rather had AIDs than be Buc after what they did to him) who has sat out a season to play elsewhere?

The last first-round draft pick to hold out for an entire season was quarterback Kelly Stouffer in 1987 when he refused to sign with the Cardinals Next year he was drafted by seahawks and started 16 games in 4 years

 

[molsaniceman]

BTW crabtree didnt sign with niners till Oct 7th

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Doubtful,

1. Will be next to impossible to recoup that draft value. He'll have to be playing at an all-pro level most likely.

2. Looking at Wentz's deal to compare, 13 mil dead money and costs them 7.3 mil more against the cap to trade Wentz than to keep him. Most of those rookies money is in their signing bonus, which makes it very hard to trade them when they've signed a contract early on.

Good point. Depressing choices for Bosa.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

The last first-round draft pick to hold out for an entire season was quarterback Kelly Stouffer in 1987 when he refused to sign with the Cardinals Next year he was drafted by seahawks and started 16 games in 4 years

Yup... injured a lot. Was thinking a Chargers fan might remember Mossy Cade.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

Good point. Depressing choices for Bosa.

Not really. He's got a good deal there. Like I said earlier I wonder if this is too much of his power agents speaking in his ear on this.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Not really. He's got a good deal there. Like I said earlier I wonder if this is too much of his power agents speaking in his ear on this.

IDK, if I was a player I don't think being locked in to a dysfunctional organization would make me smile or optimistic about my career. You say it's a good deal, but it's not what he asked for, it's not what he made clear prior to the draft he wanted. Doubt he smiles if he signs it.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

IDK, if I was a player I don't think being locked in to a dysfunctional organization would make me smile or optimistic about my career. You say it's a good deal, but it's not what he asked for, it's not what he made clear prior to the draft he wanted. Doubt he smiles if he signs it.

Agreed it may not be his dream but it's plenty fair of a deal for his draft slot. Seattle is one of the teams that really likes using offset language (most players get some form of it there, it isn't just a rookie thing, only makes the news because it's the only thing they can really argue about). Okung went there as a 6th overall pick to a team on their 3rd coach in 3 years. What looks dysfunctional one year may not the next.

And not many top 3 picks ever go to teams that don't look dysfunctional. That's how you end up with a top pick. Of course I doubt he'd rather have been drafted by Denver or someone...

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Agreed it may not be his dream but it's plenty fair of a deal for his draft slot. Seattle is one of the teams that really likes using offset language (most players get some form of it there, it isn't just a rookie thing, only makes the news because it's the only thing they can really argue about). Okung went there as a 6th overall pick to a team on their 3rd coach in 3 years. What looks dysfunctional one year may not the next.

And not many top 3 picks ever go to teams that don't look dysfunctional. That's how you end up with a top pick. Of course I doubt he'd rather have been drafted by Denver or someone...

Yes lots poorly run organizations in the NFL and yes things can change quickly. Still I consider the Chargers the least desirable place for a player to land.

 

[Duke of Douchington]

Yes lots poorly run organizations in the NFL and yes things can change quickly. Still I consider the Chargers the least desirable place for a player to land.

 

[fastforward]

Well if he doesn't try he won't be playing. Not like after 2.5 years he can just say "oh I'll start and play well now".

I think he signs, just a wild guess but would say before week 1. A holdout only loses him money for games he misses, a full season holdout likely drops his draft stock pretty well where he's making less on a contract and pushes him another year out from his first free agency. It's 5 mil give or take gone, plus potential loss of money if he isn't top 5 next year (doubtful he will be), plus 1 less year of his prime earnings after his rookie deal is up.

Except for the fact that not giving a shit until his 3rd year will really hurt his chances to get a big contract after he finishes out his rookie deal. Why would any team pay somebody who purposely doesn't try to help his team because of an earlier petty contract dispute?

Gosder Cherilus played poorly for 2 years. In his 3rd year he played just well enough for the Lions to keep in for year 4. In year 4 he played lights out and earned a huge FA pay day. No-one cared what he did in his early years. It was about what he could do for them now.
Robert Quinn played like shit for 2 years. in his 3rd year he played lights out and earned a massive extension from the Rams.
Playing great for the 1st 2 years but playing poorly or getting hurt in year 3 will see a player's value plummet. It's all about being good or great when you need to be. Bosa doesn't need to be good until the latter part of his 3rd year. All he has to do is be good enough for the Chargers to pick up his 4th year. If he plays great in his 4th year he'll earn the big money because no-one will care about the 1st 3 years. There's no point in him playing great in year 3 because the Chargers won't offer him a big extension. Going through the motions for 2 years wont prevent Bosa from learning and being good when he needs to be. He'll sign a contract with the Chargers at some point this year, then he'll concentrate on not getting hurt.

None of this matters to the Chargers. Given the choice of being a Super Bowl winner that makes $20M or a 4-12 team that makes $25M they'll take the money every time. Bosa playing well isn't their yardstick. Paying an under-performer 98.5% rather than a solid performer 100% is still a 1.5% win for them.