David Shaw: CFP should look at full schedules

[Deep Creek]

Stanford's Shaw: CFP should focus on schedules

"How the schedule lays out may be more important than strength of schedule," Shaw said.

"The matter of analyzing teams is complex, and the committee goes through great lengths in comparing teams in many respects, in comparing the data and also in comparing schedules," Hancock said. "The committee certainly considers every aspect of a team's schedule, including the sequencing of games, sequence of opponents, and sequence of open dates."

 

[Deep Creek]

Shots fired!

 

[nddulac]

Shots fired!

Good grief. He is talking about minutia so far below the noise level that it simply isn't important.

If you just win all of your games, no one is going to care when you had a bye week or if you played an FCS team.

And to claim that when bye weeks and FCS games occur during the season is more important than strength of schedule is simply asinine.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Shaw is a well known SEC/ACC hater. With that said he needs to point the finger at Larry Scott and the Cal - 4 schools who insist on playing each other every year along with SC and Stanford playing ND year in and year out. That's on them.

Stanford coach on SEC: 'Don't back down from playing your own conference' <--- Shaw called the SEC a bunch of pussy phegs in not so many words four years ago when the SEC voted 13 -1 in favor of not playing their own conference members.

 

[nddulac]

Stanford coach on SEC: 'Don't back down from playing your own conference' <--- Shaw called the SEC a bunch of pussy phegs in not so many words four years ago when the SEC voted 13 -1 in favor of not playing their own conference members.

Once again though - the 8-game conference schedule in the SEC/ACC has very little to so with who makes the playoffs. That's all about the bottom third of the conference making a bowl.

 

[NolePride]

Good grief. He is talking about minutia so far below the noise level that it simply isn't important.

If you just win all of your games, no one is going to care when you had a bye week or if you played an FCS team.

And to claim that when bye weeks and FCS games occur during the season is more important than strength of schedule is simply asinine.

Without dwelling a lot on the subject...I think, I might disagree, just a tad.

Teams control their OOC games, as to when they are played.
Now even the BIG10 will allow an OOC game after Sept. They
don't allow many but they do have them.

With the exception of rival games, teams usually don't know when
they' play conf opponents until the schedule is released.

They also don't control bye weeks.

If teams can spread their OOC games out liberally thru their
schedule, they can use G5/FCS games as an extra "bye" week.

They can also "attempt" to prevent the "trap game" with their
OOC scheduling.

I think everything enters into SoS. I've always felt that playing
6 8-4 teams in a row is a great deal tougher than playing a couple
of 10-win teams, a couple of 6 win teams and a couple of 4 win
teams. If you're getting challenged every week eventually you are
going to play flat one game.

Just a quick thought

 

[4down20]

If you think it's an advantage, then do it.

 

[nddulac]

If you think it's an advantage, then do it.

Right. Because the true champion is the one who lowers the bar better than the competition, rather than raising their performance so as to beat the competition.

Gutsy.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Right. Because the true champion is the one who lowers the bar better than the competition, rather than raising their performance so as to beat the competition.

Gutsy.

That's pretty much how the system works.

 

[nddulac]

That's pretty much how the system works.

For weaklings.

That's supposed to be one of the lessons people learn by participating in organized sports.

Strong people don't whine about how difficult things are. They don't blame others and find excuses for why it should be easier. They raise their expectations upon themselves. And if they fall short of those expectations, so be it. They congratulate those who didn't and figure out how to do better next time.

That's how it is supposed to work.

 

[theboardref]

Does he realize that would hurt him even more? No? Ok.

 

[Deep Creek]

I think everything enters into SoS. I've always felt that playing
6 8-4 teams in a row is a great deal tougher than playing a couple
of 10-win teams, a couple of 6 win teams and a couple of 4 win
teams. If you're getting challenged every week eventually you are
going to play flat one game.

Just a quick thought

Even Hancock acknowledged it is considered.

Hancock said. "The committee certainly considers every aspect of a team's schedule, including the sequencing of games, sequence of opponents, and sequence of open dates."

Not sure how much weight it carries with the committee. I've always said when you play a team is often as critical as who you play. FSU was much tougher when Alabama played them the first game last year as opposed to later in the year when they weren't very good.

 

[GoldRusher]

If you think it's an advantage, then do it.

Agree, Big12 should play a regional/ national OOC game (think OU/ Nebraska, Texas /A&M, WVU / VT or Pitt, KU / Mizzu ect. Game 1 then a low tier G5 before conference play then a FCS team in November as our teams are heading down the stretch to gove our teams a break like the SEC does it now.

Win your OOC rival game, your conference games then your CCG and go to the playoff.
Works good gor the SEC, other P5’s need to adopt the same model imo.

 

[DHoey]

Maybe we should stop the beauty contest and just have a system where if you win you keep playing.

 

[Deep Creek]

Agree, Big12 should play a regional/ national OOC game (think OU/ Nebraska, Texas /A&M, WVU / VT or Pitt, KU / Mizzu ect. Game 1 then a low tier G5 before conference play then a FCS team in November as our teams are heading down the stretch to gove our teams a break like the SEC does it now.

Win your OOC rival game, your conference games then your CCG and go to the playoff.
Works good gor the SEC, other P5’s need to adopt the same model imo.

I agree. I think all should if the committee isn't going to count it one way or the other.

 

[Deep Creek]

Maybe we should stop the beauty contest and just have a system where if you win you keep playing.

Way too logical.

 

[rmilia1]

Once again though - the 8-game conference schedule in the SEC/ACC has very little to so with who makes the playoffs. That's all about the bottom third of the conference making a bowl.

Kind of. When the committee uses wins vs .500+ teams as a criteria you're more likely to have more teams on your schedule at .500+ when your league only plays 8 league games

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Kind of. When the committee uses wins vs .500+ teams as a criteria you're more likely to have more teams on your schedule at .500+ when your league only plays 8 league games

 

[cmc_rebar]

Works good gor the SEC, other P5’s need to adopt the same model imo.

Since there is nothing to keep them from doing so, I don’t quite understand why they don’t.

The SEC hasn’t always been that way. Look back at past schedules and see which school started the process. Look at how it changed their fortunes and how it opened doors for rest of SEC to follow suit.

P12 may need something like that if they want to remain relevant

 

[4down20]

Right. Because the true champion is the one who lowers the bar better than the competition, rather than raising their performance so as to beat the competition.

Gutsy.

Except the bar isn't lowered, as most any SoS metric will show.