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What conference is going to intentionally lose money for their members by taking away a regular season game?
Would it lose money if at least 1/3 of your conference was in the tournament? I mean, would losing a game against a MAC or less school really hurt their finances more than gaining several playoff games would add to the conference?
 

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Would it lose money if at least 1/3 of your conference was in the tournament? I mean, would losing a game against a MAC or less school really hurt their finances more than gaining several playoff games would add to the conference?
It should. You get guaranteed revenue of played games and then get to split however many teams from your conference got in and how far they made it. If a conference can 3 of the final 4 then sure it does. But I don’t see how the financing is the same taking away home games from conference members.
 

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Would it lose money if at least 1/3 of your conference was in the tournament? I mean, would losing a game against a MAC or less school really hurt their finances more than gaining several playoff games would add to the conference?
There is no way that a third of any conference makes the playoff or that the loss of a home games income by a school would be made up for by their share of the proceeds from the playoff even if it did. An Alabama home game is worth $15-20M to the school and the businesses in Tuscaloosa, even if the schools were made whole of the loss in ticket revenue, which they wouldn’t be, those local businesses would lose a big chunk of their yearly income and the city and state would lose out on the sales and lodging taxes.
 

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There is no way that a third of any conference makes the playoff or that the loss of a home games income by a school would be made up for by their share of the proceeds from the playoff even if it did. An Alabama home game is worth $15-20M to the school and the businesses in Tuscaloosa, even if the schools were made whole of the loss in ticket revenue, which they wouldn’t be, those local businesses would lose a big chunk of their yearly income and the city and state would lose out on the sales and lodging taxes.
Read my original idea. If there were 24 teams in the playoffs, it would not be unheard of for a single conference to have 4-6 teams.

So, with my original proposal, you are saying that Alabama would make more with a Mercer home game, than with one or maybe even two more home playoff games??

Remember, the current playoff system has ZERO home playoff games, and only the potential of two rounds of games.
 
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It should. You get guaranteed revenue of played games and then get to split however many teams from your conference got in and how far they made it. If a conference can 3 of the final 4 then sure it does. But I don’t see how the financing is the same taking away home games from conference members.

Again, you were replying to my idea of a 24 team playoff. Trading a regular season home game against a low level opponent, for what would be several home playoff games for conference members seems like an easy money trade.
 

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I’m only considering proposals that actually have a chance of happening, and a 24 team FBS playoff isn’t happening, no matter how much you wish otherwise. The issue is not whether Alabama could make as much money playing 2 more playoff games instead of a regular season game against Mercer, but whether the SEC teams that didn’t make the playoff would make as much money from Alabama playing those those playoff games instead of them playing another home game. The answer to that is no.
 

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I’m only considering proposals that actually have a chance of happening, and a 24 team FBS playoff isn’t happening, no matter how much you wish otherwise. The issue is not whether Alabama could make as much money playing 2 more playoff games instead of a regular season game against Mercer, but whether the SEC teams that didn’t make the playoff would make as much money from Alabama playing those those playoff games instead of them playing another home game. The answer to that is no.

Again, re-read my post. I admitted it wouldn’t happen. I think you jumped into the middle of a discussion without reading the post.

Everything I said about eliminating one regular season game in that post was predicated in having a 24 team playoff. I would guarantee that giving 5-6 of top teams in the SEC the potential of an extra 2-4 playoff games would more than make up the revenue lost for Vanderbilt, Missouri, Kentucky, etc having to give up a home game against Western Kentucky every year.

Playoff games would pay A LOT more than Mercer games.
 

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Again, re-read my post. I admitted it wouldn’t happen. I think you jumped into the middle of a discussion without reading the post.

Everything I said about eliminating one regular season game in that post was predicated in having a 24 team playoff. I would guarantee that giving 5-6 of top teams in the SEC the potential of an extra 2-4 playoff games would more than make up the revenue lost for Vanderbilt, Missouri, Kentucky, etc having to give up a home game against Western Kentucky every year.

Playoff games would pay A LOT more than Mercer games.
If the first step of your playoff proposal involves flying pigs, then it’s not a serious proposal. revenue generated by the extra playoff games wouldn’t make up for the revenue lost by the schools that had to give up a regular season home game. If 4 or 5 schools from the SEC got in, then 9 or 10 would not, and any extra revenue brought in couldn't cover the $150-200M they’d give up by dropping a home game.

If 4 or 5 teams from any conference could make the playoff, that just shows that it’s a bloated monstrosity that includes teams that have no business playing for the title. 3 and 4 loss teams don’t belong, they have no chance of winning and weeding them out is what the regular season and conference championship games are for. If we want the regular season and conference championships to mean anything, then they have to mean something.
 

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If the first step of your playoff proposal involves flying pigs, then it’s not a serious proposal. revenue generated by the extra playoff games wouldn’t make up for the revenue lost by the schools that had to give up a regular season home game. If 4 or 5 schools from the SEC got in, then 9 or 10 would not, and any extra revenue brought in couldn't cover the $150-200M they’d give up by dropping a home game.

If 4 or 5 teams from any conference could make the playoff, that just shows that it’s a bloated monstrosity that includes teams that have no business playing for the title. 3 and 4 loss teams don’t belong, they have no chance of winning and weeding them out is what the regular season and conference championship games are for. If we want the regular season and conference championships to mean anything, then they have to mean something.
24 is WAY too many. You have to balance the value of the regular season with inclusion of worthy teams. I can see arguments for as many as 12, but even then you would have several with no shot at winning it all. Only a select few teams have the talent, depth, and coaching to beat 2-3 top 4-8 teams.
 

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If the first step of your playoff proposal involves flying pigs, then it’s not a serious proposal. revenue generated by the extra playoff games wouldn’t make up for the revenue lost by the schools that had to give up a regular season home game. If 4 or 5 schools from the SEC got in, then 9 or 10 would not, and any extra revenue brought in couldn't cover the $150-200M they’d give up by dropping a home game.

If 4 or 5 teams from any conference could make the playoff, that just shows that it’s a bloated monstrosity that includes teams that have no business playing for the title. 3 and 4 loss teams don’t belong, they have no chance of winning and weeding them out is what the regular season and conference championship games are for. If we want the regular season and conference championships to mean anything, then they have to mean something.

Ok. Just thought I would float an idea that didn't include the typical 6, 12, 16 playoff team ideas. Sorry about that.
 

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Ok. Just thought I would float an idea that didn't include the typical 6, 12, 16 playoff team ideas. Sorry about that.
That idea didn't float. It sank straight to the bottom.
 

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12-team plan moves ahead to next phase. I get the feeling we're all semi excited.
 
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