Dario Saric coming to the Sixers

[flyerhawk]

And his length is nullified.

Magic still played basketball, and it's still basketball. Magic didn't have the advantage of getting to play zone at times either. The Warriors didn't get to be the best by doing it the same way everybody else does. We have a unique team with unique advantages. We should lean on those advantages.

Magic Johnson was one of the greatest players in the history of basketball. He could play all 5 positions. He also played in a different era when protecting the perimeter wasn't nearly as important as it is today.

 

[flyerhawk]

Length in the passing lanes. Size. Athletic big men. A defensive specialist that is delinquent on the offensive end.

The Sixers field that team and other teams will simply play keep away with their point, two, and swing waiting for the wide open look.

 

[eaglesnut]

From what I can tell, Saric is the only one of the 5 who can space the court. So if you play Okafor, Embiid, Saric and Simmons at the same time like @eaglesnut would like, they are so limited on the perimeter. Defenses would LOVE for that to happen. There would be 0 spacing on the court, unless your option was to make Saric a corner 3 point shooter.

Saric and Bayless can spread it. How many outside shooters is the minimally acceptable amount?

 

[CitySushi]

And his length is nullified.

Magic still played basketball, and it's still basketball. Magic didn't have the advantage of getting to play zone at times either. The Warriors didn't get to be the best by doing it the same way everybody else does. We have a unique team with unique advantages. We should lean on those advantages.

I guess we'll just never see eye to eye on this.

You're misjudging the advantage you get by playing Simmons at PG. He can pass over anyone sure. But to do what exactly? He's not going to drive past PG's, and if they are able to stay at home, the defense doesn't collapse. Also if you have Okafor and Embiid on the court at the same time with Simmons, you have 3 of your 5 positions who can't shoot. It creates less opportunity for driving and dishing to open shooters. If you play Simmons at the 4, he has the drive and dish ability over most 4's in the NBA with the ability to just simply drive past them for a hoop.

Additionally, you take away any opportunity for Simmons to post up smaller guards if you play him with both Embiid and Okafor on the court. What are they going to do? Where are they going to go? You'll have 3 guys around the hoop and you can easily double Simmons without hesitation of additional shooters.

You basically took away 80% of Simmons' advantages by playing him at PG with those other bigs.

 

[eaglesnut]

The Sixers field that team and other teams will simply play keep away with their point, two, and swing waiting for the wide open look.

I'd always rather have the opposition shooting from the outside rather than getting layups. The further away from the basket the harder it is to make it.

 

[eaglesnut]

I guess we'll just never see eye to eye on this.

You're misjudging the advantage you get by playing Simmons at PG. He can pass over anyone sure. But to do what exactly? He's not going to drive past PG's, and if they are able to stay at home, the defense doesn't collapse. Also if you have Okafor and Embiid on the court at the same time with Simmons, you have 3 of your 5 positions who can't shoot. It creates less opportunity for driving and dishing to open shooters. If you play Simmons at the 4, he has the drive and dish ability over most 4's in the NBA with the ability to just simply drive past them for a hoop.

Additionally, you take away any opportunity for Simmons to post up smaller guards if you play him with both Embiid and Okafor on the court. What are they going to do? Where are they going to go? You'll have 3 guys around the hoop and you can easily double Simmons without hesitation of additional shooters.

You basically took away 80% of Simmons' advantages by playing him at PG with those other bigs.

Embiid is supposed to be able to shoot it. We'll see about that. If he's posting up a guard, why does it matter where they go as long as they get out of the way? Okafor gets 10 feet away ready for a dish, and Embiid gets 15 ft away ready to shoot if his guy collapses.

 

[CitySushi]

Embiid is supposed to be able to shoot it. We'll see about that. If he's posting up a guard, why does it matter where they go as long as they get out of the way? Okafor gets 10 feet away ready for a dish, and Embiid gets 15 ft away ready to shoot if his guy collapses.

If you don't understand about spacing and how defensive rotation works, then no point in arguing this further. Good luck with trotting that lineup out there.

 

[flyerhawk]

I'd always rather have the opposition shooting from the outside rather than getting layups. The further away from the basket the harder it is to make it.

Did you stop watching basketball about 8-10 years ago?

 

[CitySushi]

Need @tlance in here ASAP.

 

[eaglesnut]

Did you stop watching basketball about 8-10 years ago?

If I shoot 10 3s at 40%, that's 12 points. If I shoot 10 2s at 60%, that's 12 points. Longer shots produce longer rebounds and longer rebounds produce fast breaks the other way. None of that isn't as true as it ever was.

 

[flyerhawk]

If I shoot 10 3s at 40%, that's 12 points. If I shoot 10 2s at 60%, that's 12 points. Longer shots produce longer rebounds and longer rebounds produce fast breaks the other way. None of that isn't as true as it ever was.

Except shooting percentages are highly dependent on how challenged the shooter is. Steff Curry can shoot about 50 straight 30s with no pressure. Likewise, getting buckets in the paint are the most contested shots in the game.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Saric and Bayless can spread it. How many outside shooters is the minimally acceptable amount?

its gonna be interesting to see if Saric can play the 3...i think ideally- especially in todays league- he is a 4....but we shall see....

Sixers will at least be exciting to watch next year for their fans with Simmons, Saric, Embiid, Noel, etc.....

I like Noel for some reason - i think he is limited- more so then most of those other guys ceiling wise- but i just like how he plays hard....if he could develop a mid range game- which isnt out of the question - the guy is still so freaking young- he could be a menace in todays league....that dude can absolutely guard 5's, big or small 4's, and do a good job on the perimeter in the pick and roll.

 

[eaglesnut]

I like Noel for some reason - i think he is limited- more so then most of those other guys ceiling wise- but i just like how he plays hard....if he could develop a mid range game- which isnt out of the question - the guy is still so freaking young- he could be a menace in todays league....that dude can absolutely guard 5's, big or small 4's, and do a good job on the perimeter in the pick and roll.

It's out of the question. Completely. Hopefully he can finish a few times around the rim.

 

[eaglesnut]

Except shooting percentages are highly dependent on how challenged the shooter is. Steff Curry can shoot about 50 straight 30s with no pressure. Likewise, getting buckets in the paint are the most contested shots in the game.

And less contested with Simmons feeding the shooter the rock.

 

[wildturkey]

If I shoot 10 3s at 40%, that's 12 points. If I shoot 10 2s at 60%, that's 12 points. Longer shots produce longer rebounds and longer rebounds produce fast breaks the other way. None of that isn't as true as it ever was.

No one is hitting 60% of their twos unless you're within a couple feet of the basket aka layups. Beyond those couple of feet, league average is around 40%. League average for 3s is around 35%. So using your crude example, 10 three point shots would produce roughly 10 pts, 10 two point shots (non layups) would produce around 8pts. That's a big difference that adds up big over the course of a game. Not only that, those 3s open up the space to get layups.

Also, the long rebound thing isn't true. There was a paper recently at the Sloan conference that showed pretty much all jump shots outside of the paint tend to land in the same general distance.

 

[CodeBreaker]

Why arent the Sixers trading any of Embiid, Okafor or Noel

 

[eaglesnut]

No one is hitting 60% of their twos unless you're within a couple feet of the basket aka layups. Beyond those couple of feet, league average is around 40%. League average for 3s is around 35%. So using your crude example, 10 three point shots would produce roughly 10 pts, 10 two point shots (non layups) would produce around 8pts. That's a big difference that adds up big over the course of a game. Not only that, those 3s open up the space to get layups.

Also, the long rebound thing isn't true. There was a paper recently at the Sloan conference that showed pretty much all jump shots outside of the paint tend to land in the same general distance.

It's amazing anyone ever shoots a two! They'd win every game!

 

[eaglesnut]

Why arent the Sixers trading any of Embiid, Okafor or Noel

Because no one is offering shit because they want to rip us off.

 

[WiggyRuss]

It's out of the question. Completely. Hopefully he can finish a few times around the rim.

i thought htat about varejao at one point to....dude is still like what? 22

 

[eaglesnut]

i thought htat about varejao at one point to....dude is still like what? 22

He could be 6, if you block and shoot with the same motion that's it.