Dario Saric coming to the Sixers

[flyerhawk]

Stupid move. Less money and he may not even play as much.

Less money than what?

 

[ericd7633]

The team desperately needs shooters. So in that sense they don't need a true point guard but Simmons can't be on the floor all the time and they will need someone else to be a point.

Bayless shot 44% from 3 last year, and Stauskas, in theory, should be a very good 3 point shooter. That's also why I'd like to see a front court line up of Saric, Simmons and Embiid/Okafor. Jerami Grant shouldn't be a starting SF in this league. He shot 24% from 3 last year. Simmons is going to create open shots. Need shooters, Saric can shoot it(40% from 3)

 

[The Q]

Less money than what?

Less money than he could've gotten staying one more year.

Plus he paid the buyout a year earlier. With a lesser NBA salary coming in than what he'd have gotten next year.

And he's gonna come off the damn bench.

 

[flyerhawk]

Less money than he could've gotten staying one more year.

Plus he paid the buyout a year earlier. With a lesser NBA salary coming in than what he'd have gotten next year.

And he's gonna come off the damn bench.

Somehow I'm guessing Saric understands his options pretty well.

He's an NBA rookie. How much PT do you think he is going to get on any team?

 

[flyerhawk]

Bayless shot 44% from 3 last year, and Stauskas, in theory, should be a very good 3 point shooter. That's also why I'd like to see a front court line up of Saric, Simmons and Embiid/Okafor. Jerami Grant shouldn't be a starting SF in this league. He shot 24% from 3 last year. Simmons is going to create open shots. Need shooters, Saric can shoot it(40% from 3)

Bayless was a decent pickup but Stauskas hasn't shown anything yet. For Simmons to really play the point forward he is going to need some real snipers at the perimeter which the Sixers don't have.

 

[ericd7633]

Bayless was a decent pickup but Stauskas hasn't shown anything yet. For Simmons to really play the point forward he is going to need some real snipers at the perimeter which the Sixers don't have.

That's why I said, in theory, Stauskas should be a good 3 pt. shooter. He shot 44% from 3 in college for his career. I think he's a capable 3 pt. shooter, just hasn't shown it yet, but it's within his skill set to accomplish.

 

[eaglesnut]

Playing the 4 is relative to whom you're able to guard defensively. Offensively, of course Simmons best use will be as a primary ball handler, but you can't put him out there defensively as a PG. He's going to get eaten up and additionally, you'll take away from another great skill set he has which you mentioned, rebounding. Simmons skill set will thrive when guarded by 4's. If you put quicker guards on him, they'll be able to stay in front of him and limit his play making ability. Pair that with Simmons in-ability to shoot from the outside, and smaller guys will have a MUCH easier time guarding him. Even if another 4 plays off of him, Simmons is too quick and too good with the ball for those guys to stay in front of him when he attacks.

Draymond Greens best skill set offensively, is his ball handling and passing. But the reason he's so successful at it is because he plays the 4 and likewise is guarded by other 4's. If you made him the de-facto PG in the lineup, in addition to another big out there, you limit his ability because of quicker guys like PG's being able to recover on him.

He can pass over them. Magic never had a great shot and he's a HoFer.

 

[eaglesnut]

I agree with this. I think they are going to need to take a hair cut on the player(s) they decide to move. No one they get market value because everyone knows they need to move players and none of the players have shown enough to work market value.

Then you don't trade them. Nothing wrong with depth. We'll be fresher than everyone throughout the playoffs.

 

[flyerhawk]

That's why I said, in theory, Stauskas should be a good 3 pt. shooter. He shot 44% from 3 in college for his career. I think he's a capable 3 pt. shooter, just hasn't shown it yet, but it's within his skill set to accomplish.

I gotcha. I just don't feel as confident.

 

[flyerhawk]

Then you don't trade them. Nothing wrong with depth. We'll be fresher than everyone throughout the playoffs.

20 win teams don't go to the playoffs.

 

[eaglesnut]

guys like Bogut, Livingston, and Iguadalo played crucial roles for the Warriors. Free agency isn't just about landing the super stars. It's about landing great role players as well.

Wasn't Iggy there before they got great? All it takes to land the mid-level guys is some money. It's already enticing to come play with Ben Simmons. Or at least it will be by next offseason.

 

[eaglesnut]

20 win teams don't go to the playoffs.

No one can guard our bigs. Okafor needed to get double teamed already and that was with zero other capable players on the floor. How are they going to double Okafor with Simmons and Saric and Embiid out there?

 

[CitySushi]

He can pass over them. Magic never had a great shot and he's a HoFer.

Magic played in a completely different era. Kind of comparing apples and oranges.

I see what you're saying in that Simmons can play the PG, but defensively can he keep up with Curry, Westbrook, Paul, Irving, Kemba, etc., etc.

He's much more likely to be a capable defender against 80% of PF's in the NBA. He might be capable of guarding 20% of the PG's in the NBA.

Offensively his output could potentially be similar, but he gets additional advantages playing PF and using his quickness and athleticism against PF's rather than PGs.

 

[flyerhawk]

Wasn't Iggy there before they got great? All it takes to land the mid-level guys is some money. It's already enticing to come play with Ben Simmons. Or at least it will be by next offseason.

Iguadala came in the year after the Warriors won 47 games.

If Simmons is as good as advertised then that will help bring in players. But players go to places where they think they can win. The Pelicans haven't been able to lure a whole lot of talent despite having one of the best young players in basketball.

 

[CitySushi]

No one can guard our bigs. Okafor needed to get double teamed already and that was with zero other capable players on the floor. How are they going to double Okafor with Simmons and Saric and Embiid out there?

That's pretty optimistic thinking. Good luck.

 

[flyerhawk]

No one can guard our bigs. Okafor needed to get double teamed already and that was with zero other capable players on the floor. How are they going to double Okafor with Simmons and Saric and Embiid out there?

You keep talking about the offensive side of the ball. I think you are unreasonably optimistic about how well all those guys will with each other offensively but let's say that it works. How would that team stop ANYONE?

 

[CitySushi]

You keep talking about the offensive side of the ball. I think you are unreasonably optimistic about how well all those guys will with each other offensively but let's say that it works. How would that team stop ANYONE?

From what I can tell, Saric is the only one of the 5 who can space the court. So if you play Okafor, Embiid, Saric and Simmons at the same time like @eaglesnut would like, they are so limited on the perimeter. Defenses would LOVE for that to happen. There would be 0 spacing on the court, unless your option was to make Saric a corner 3 point shooter.

 

[eaglesnut]

Magic played in a completely different era. Kind of comparing apples and oranges.

Offensively his output could potentially be similar, but he gets additional advantages playing PF and using his quickness and athleticism against PF's rather than PGs.

And his length is nullified.

Magic still played basketball, and it's still basketball. Magic didn't have the advantage of getting to play zone at times either. The Warriors didn't get to be the best by doing it the same way everybody else does. We have a unique team with unique advantages. We should lean on those advantages.

 

[flyerhawk]

From what I can tell, Saric is the only one of the 5 who can space the court. So if you play Okafor, Embiid, Saric and Simmons at the same time like @eaglesnut would like, they are so limited on the perimeter. Defenses would LOVE for that to happen. There would be 0 spacing on the court, unless your option was to make Saric a corner 3 point shooter.

Not only would Saric need to be a corner 3 shooter, Simmons would need to play on the perimeter without any sort of shot. Simmons I think will be deadly down outside the point facing the basket but if he tries to make slashing runs from the top of the key he is going to be a fouling machine.

 

[eaglesnut]

You keep talking about the offensive side of the ball. I think you are unreasonably optimistic about how well all those guys will with each other offensively but let's say that it works. How would that team stop ANYONE?

Length in the passing lanes. Size. Athletic big men. A defensive specialist that is delinquent on the offensive end.