Cuts

[SonnyCID]

Im glad Robinson got cut, and I called this back on the ESPN board and everyone gave me crap about it (like usual).

Robinson was overpaid and didnt add much to the offense. He dropped too many passes here in seattle to be counted on for anything besides blocking and I believe he was overrated in that department.

Basically there are only so many players that you can get away with OVERPAYING.

The hawks are overpaying: Bryant, Harvin, Rice, Miller, and MRob. At least one of them had to go. The Hawks are already going to have to let some of our young talent leave in FA because they overpaid Harvin.

We need to be able to rollover some cap space to next year and we were right up against the cap before cutting Robinson.


Good move Hawks, although they only had to make this move because they overpaid other players.

Who is going to leave that is going to be a big hit to the roster? Who cares if they lose some young talent, but still keep the top shelf young talent that they have drafted? Just saying some broad BS about losing young talent means nothing. They're going to lose young talent this weekend just because they have a surplus of it.

Let's get some more of this brilliant foresight in ink. Are they not going to be able to keep Wilson, Okung, Thomas or Sherman now?

 

[RegentDenali]

Some factors:

Robinson was the 3rd high highest paid FB in the NFL. He also hit 30 this year.

The more read-option is implemented, and increased use of WRs, will decrease FBs being used.

If Robinson stayed on the roster in 2013, Seahawks would of been top 5 in the NFL of salary cap space committed just to the backs.

 

[briwas101]

Who is going to leave that is going to be a big hit to the roster? Who cares if they lose some young talent, but still keep the top shelf young talent that they have drafted? Just saying some broad BS about losing young talent means nothing. They're going to lose young talent this weekend just because they have a surplus of it.

Let's get some more of this brilliant foresight in ink. Are they not going to be able to keep Wilson, Okung, Thomas or Sherman now?

I do not know exactly who they will have to cut.

Also, TAKE NOTE that I never said I am a crystal ball that KNOWS EVERYTHING.

I said that the predictions THAT I DO MAKE come true 95+ percent of the time.

So WHEN I DO make a prediction it almost always ends up being right. I make my predictions based on the info available.

Right now there is nothing inside me saying THIS PLAYER will be the one to leave.

When I get the same feeling in my mind and gut that I got from all the other correct predictions then I will make my prediction.


I do expect Mebane to leave soon though.



Even without knowing WHO will leave the Hawks, we DO know that there will be a major loss.

Wilson + Sherman + Browner + Thomas + Kam + Unger + Okung + Harvin will take up a HUUUUUUUGE portion of the cap.

That isnt even including Rice and Miller who will both have to restructure or find a new team.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Harold, 99/100 was only a SLIGHT exaggeration.

It really is about 96/100

In the last decade you could count my wrong predictions on 1 hand.

Its really frustrating, because if I actually had a job with a football team I would mentioned in the same breath as Ozzie Newsome.


The fact that you said 40/100 shows that your memory is really bad and you are bitter about how right I have been and how wrong the rest of you have been.

I dont make predictions about EVERYTHING, I make predictions that I truly believe are correct and I am right 95+ percent of the time.


And it isnt luck either. It is ALL about seeing the pieces and how they fit together.

Will Briwas you make a lot of predictions, almost always negative, I've never figured out how you manage to pat your self on the back while wagging your finger at the Seahawks management at the same time time . You do Yoga or something?

To hard to remember all your silly predictions ,but how about one from last year. Your predictions about Wilson. Dead frigging wrong. You've had plenty like that and not just about the Seahawks your ideas about how to run the Mariners are belly busters. Yes Mariners management is dang bad but didn't you say trade away pitching and patted yourself on the back when they traded Fister? Why yes you did.

Face it Briwas your a bad joke with a big ego.

 

[briwas101]

Some factors:

Robinson was the 3rd high highest paid FB in the NFL. He also hit 30 this year.

The more read-option is implemented, and increased use of WRs, will decrease FBs being used.

If Robinson stayed on the roster in 2013, Seahawks would of been top 5 in the NFL of salary cap space committed just to the backs.

Exactly.

The hawks overpaid Rice + Miller + Harvin to beef up the passing game, so WHY would they do that if they planned on mostly running?

The only way to make their WR/TE transactions make sense is to throw the ball more.

 

[briwas101]

Will Briwas you make a lot of predictions, almost always negative, I've never figured out how you manage to pat your self on the back while wagging your finger at the Seahawks management at the same time time . You do Yoga or something?

To hard to remember all your silly predictions ,but how about one from last year. Your predictions about Wilson. Dead frigging wrong. You've had plenty like that and not just about the Seahawks your ideas about how to run the Mariners are belly busters. Yes Mariners management is dang bad but didn't you say trade away pitching and patted yourself on the back when they traded Fister? Why yes you did.

Face it Briwas your a bad joke with a big ego.

Harold, CORRECTLY PREDICTING the bad moves would be incredibly valuable if I had authority.

Bad moves prevent teams from winning.


We would be a better team if the bad moves weren't made.



Besides, lots of people are complaining about cutting Robinson being a "bad move" that could hurt us, but I dont see you criticizing them.

So its ok to say that LOSING a player was a bad move, but its NOT ok to saying that SIGNING or TRADING for a player is a bad move?


A bad move is a bad move is a bad move.


Excuuuuuuuuuse me for knowing that many "positive" transactions that you guys support will actually end poorly.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Yes every team has at least one overpaid player. The hawks have quite a few.

Miller + Rice + Harvin are only worth about $12-14m COMBINED.

Yet the hawks are paying them about $30m total.

When you overpay players THAT MUCH it means you cant afford to pay a FB $2M+.


You can thank the horrible Harvin trade and contract the most though. We will lose good players because of that.

The contracts that Miller and Rice received was the going rate for their positions. It looks overpaid now because they have been either hurt or lack of production for various reasons. I cannot call the Harvin contract a bust until he gets healthy and plays. If he stays injured then it's a bust contract. If the team is not over the cap then you stick with the 2 mil FB until next year where he can restructure or get upgraded through the draft.

 

[briwas101]

So harold, if the Hawks dont make the super bowl this year, you're not going to wonder what would've happened if we didnt sign Rice and didnt trade our 1st for Harvin and grossly overpay?

You wont wonder how good we would've been with our 1st rounder + $15m or more in cap space this year?


I am EXTREMELY excited to watch the Hawks this year and I think that even with some of Pete's/John's horrible moves we are a legit Superb Owl contender.

But there is just no way that I wont look back at these moves and wonder "what if", except of course a Super Bowl victory for the Hawks, in that case all is forgiven.

 

[briwas101]

The contracts that Miller and Rice received was the going rate for their positions. It looks overpaid now because they have been either hurt or lack of production for various reasons. I cannot call the Harvin contract a bust until he gets healthy and plays. If he stays injured then it's a bust contract. If the team is not over the cap then you stick with the 2 mil FB until next year where he can restructure or get upgraded through the draft.

Jerseyhawk, you were not on the Hawks espn board at the time.

The SAME DAY we signed Rice I said he was overpaid and that he would start the season injured and put up mediocre #s.

I said Miller was grossly overpaid because he would mostly just be used as a blocking TE.


I made those predictions before they ever put on a Hawks uni.

It wasnt hindsight for me, I PREDICTED IT.



Neither one of those signings made sense. They were NEVER going to earn their money.


They have made some GREAT moves in the draft, and selected some future HOFers, but their BIG CONTRACTS have been horrible.

 

[RegentDenali]

Interesting.

Rumors are swirling that Leon Washington could be cut by the Patriots. Can't see any scenario of the Hawks bringing him back in. But still, goes to show how even recent pro-bowlers can find themselves looking for work in this league. Too bad. We could still use Leon bad right now with Harvin out for part or all of 2013.

 

[SonnyCID]

You cant just look at individual moves to judge an organization, good or bad. The big picture is all that matters.

You crying about these big contracts being a long term detriment to the team is nothing but conjecture.

 

[RegentDenali]

The are grossly overpaid FAs all over the NFL. It happens to everyone.

 

[SonnyCID]

So harold, if the Hawks dont make the super bowl this year, you're not going to wonder what would've happened if we didnt sign Rice and didnt trade our 1st for Harvin and grossly overpay?

You wont wonder how good we would've been with our 1st rounder + $15m or more in cap space this year?


I am EXTREMELY excited to watch the Hawks this year and I think that even with some of Pete's/John's horrible moves we are a legit Superb Owl contender.

But there is just no way that I wont look back at these moves and wonder "what if", except of course a Super Bowl victory for the Hawks, in that case all is forgiven.

Sure, 31 teams will be wondering what went wrong. And it really just comes down to how they performed and not how much money they did or didn't spend. Since you like to play GM, if Seattle had that 1st rounder and $15 mil what would you have done that would have made them more of a contender this year? Remember, this is going on your record.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Jerseyhawk, you were not on the Hawks espn board at the time.

The SAME DAY we signed Rice I said he was overpaid and that he would start the season injured and put up mediocre #s.

I said Miller was grossly overpaid because he would mostly just be used as a blocking TE.


I made those predictions before they ever put on a Hawks uni.

It wasnt hindsight for me, I PREDICTED IT.



Neither one of those signings made sense. They were NEVER going to earn their money.


They have made some GREAT moves in the draft, and selected some future HOFers, but their BIG CONTRACTS have been horrible.

Sometimes you have to take chances on big contracts like a sidney rice. yes it sucks he's been injury prone but it's taking a chance. So, i'll give you Rice because of the circumstances but Miller i will disagree with. Miller was signed for his performance in Oakland. He was suppose to be our big weapon over the middle but injuries destroyed the o-line so the only logical choice was he had to stay and pass block. Management would not have given him that contract if they were going to strictly use him as a pass blocker.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Harold, CORRECTLY PREDICTING the bad moves would be incredibly valuable if I had authority.

Bad moves prevent teams from winning.


We would be a better team if the bad moves weren't made.



Besides, lots of people are complaining about cutting Robinson being a "bad move" that could hurt us, but I dont see you criticizing them.

So its ok to say that LOSING a player was a bad move, but its NOT ok to saying that SIGNING or TRADING for a player is a bad move?


A bad move is a bad move is a bad move.


Excuuuuuuuuuse me for knowing that many "positive" transactions that you guys support will actually end poorly.

See Briwas the reason you give yourself credit as being 96/100 is because you count your self as being right even when your wrong. Robinson is an example, you say that Robinson added nothing to the offensive. That just shows your ignorance, because in fact he added a lot. Not all of it is easily measured, but those with football IQ recognize it, but like all players there comes a point when value vs cost works against a player and Robinson has finally reached that point it seems. Doesn't make you right in the least, but yet your counting it as "once again I'm right" That how you reach that fictitious 96/100 number.

 

[dude82]

Cutting Robinson was not something I was prepared to hear about today or at any time this season. Maybe it didn't surprise some people (namely our resident know-it-all, briwas, apparently), but it did surprise me. It has to be about the money, but if it is, I wonder why they didn't restructure like they did with other players.

Anyway, the one thing I wasn't surprised about was briwas's ability to pat himself on the back, trash Seahawks management, suggest that he'd make a great GM and find a way to suggest that he's smarter than everyone about sports all at the same time. It happens at least once a year and has happened at least twice now since training camp. Time to put the 'ignore' function to good use I guess.

 

[Screamin12th]

I was a little shocked about this cut ( Robinson ) as neither Coleman or Ware did anything as far as blocking goes. Our running game did not look to good with either one as a FB. The thing is this. Seattle started to use TE more and more as H-backs and i believe they will keep an extra TE because of this. Coleman or Ware one of those guys will also be released i am almost 100% sure of it.

Robinson was not a big ST player also and at age 30 they had to cut bait sooner rather than later. This also opens up another problem though. Robinson was Seattle's emergence QB. Do you risk going into the season with only two QB's now? Robinson could have filled in if something drastic happened, which happens actually often in the NFL. Now what?

I loved watching Robinson run people over, seemed like 50% of the time when someone tried to tackle him they were knocked out of the game. He was a punishing hitter and from what we all have seen a great team mate. Marshawn Loved running behind him and said this about Robinson " he is my eyes, i just follow him". I am going to miss number 26 and i believe so will Marshawn and the rest of the team. This move made the running game weaker. No if ands or buts about it.

 

[dude82]

I was a little shocked about this cut ( Robinson ) as neither Coleman or Ware did anything as far as blocking goes. Our running game did not look to good with either one as a FB. The thing is this. Seattle started to use TE more and more as H-backs and i believe they will keep an extra TE because of this. Coleman or Ware one of those guys will also be released i am almost 100% sure of it.

Robinson was not a big ST player also and at age 30 they had to cut bait sooner rather than later. This also opens up another problem though. Robinson was Seattle's emergence QB. Do you risk going into the season with only two QB's now? Robinson could have filled in if something drastic happened, which happens actually often in the NFL. Now what?

I loved watching Robinson run people over, seemed like 50% of the time when someone tried to tackle him they were knocked out of the game. He was a punishing hitter and from what we all have seen a great team mate. Marshawn Loved running behind him and said this about Robinson " he is my eyes, i just follow him". I am going to miss number 26 and i believe so will Marshawn and the rest of the team. This move made the running game weaker. No if ands or buts about it.

This is why I was surprised by the move. Obviously Lynch is a great back, but having Robinson in front of him creating holes for him to run through helped a lot too. There's got to be more to this than we're aware of right now. Either Robinson's health is worse than we think it is, in which case they could have put him on PUP or IR, or Bevell has some things in mind offensively that de-emphasize the fullback position. It can't just be about the money, because they would have released him earlier or re-worked his deal if it was, wouldn't you think? There's got to be something to this that we're not getting yet, because I can't imagine that Carroll and co. would weaken the running game, the core of our offensive scheme, like this if they didn't have to for some reason. I guess we'll find out later today what the deal is.

 

[SeattleCoug]

Per Jason LaConforna Hawks are preparing to cut Antoine Winfield citing our deep secondary.
Hes listed on the the NFL.com notable cuts page
Down to 53: Tracking the NFL's notable roster cuts - NFL.com

I think Thurmmond can do the job but he has yet to prove he can stay healthy. Im not shocked but I was excited to see what Winfield could bring so Im disappointed.

 

[Screamin12th]

Antoine Winfield will be among Seattle's cuts

CBSSports.com's Jason La Canfora reported that Antoine Winfield will be among Seattle's cuts on Saturday, as the team whittles its roster down to 53 players by the 6 p.m. ET deadline.

Carroll has talked repeatedly about the depth Seattle has built with the help of independent-minded general manager John Schneider. The organization views the cornerback position differently than other teams, pursuing a string of taller and more physical cover men. During our NFC West preview on Friday's "Around The League Podcast," we cited the Seahawks as the NFL's deepest team. It's a tough squad for an outsider to latch onto, something Winfield learned Saturday.

Antoine Winfield reportedly cut by Seattle Seahawks - NFL.com