Choose your breakout qb

[richig07]

i agree with you, i guess i just mput his season with baker's, would be my point. Both were great. Yeah bakers was literally a GOAT. but they arent stars YET

Fair enough. Now that I look, their numbers were extremely similar as well.

 

[SteelersPride]

Fair enough. Now that I look, their numbers were extremely similar as well.

right, baker just did it as a rook, which hasnt been done before. To me thats great. and yeah its elite for a rook, never been done. BUt he hasnt gone elite yet. Im also as big a Baker fanboy as they come.

 

[Across The Field]

LOL....One hell-e-va game manager with all those game winning drives through 3 seasons. Maybe some year he'll throw 14 int's in less than 16 games too

And yet, his numbers are still pretty average across the board. Maybe some year he'll top 22 TD passes over a full 16 games.

 

[Across The Field]

and here's my post. You assume I'm talking about college drinking and I'm not. hell, Prescott got a DWI in collage I'm talking about the taunting of opponents almost on a weekly basis. Kansas had a shit team and they wouldn't even shake his hand his senior year after the crap he laid out his Junior year in a blow out. Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, OK State, K-State...they all witnessed his on the field side show. Baker is cocky, and I think that resurfaces again but won't play well in the NFL.

Your panties got wadded up pretty good over that ONE criticism of Mayfield and you've countered with Prescott being mediocre, game manager on multiple occasions. We'll see how this all turns out in time. I prefer QB's let their play do their talking and I remain sure that's not in Baker's DNA makeup.

Dallas fans know the make up of their QB, his leadership skills with all teammates. He's coachable and works his ass. You won't hear of him calling out a coach or teammate, something your boy has already done in year one. There will be high times and low times in the NFL, and I remain pretty sure from what I observed in college, Baker won't handle um all with class.

You say you've got the future face of the NFL in Cleveland. You say most would prefer Mayfield over Prescott and I say we'll see how this turns out. I still prefer Prescott going forward and from what I've read, so would all of this teammates (offense, defense and practice squad) I'm still betting leopards show their spots in due time...and that's Baker to me. Sorry your panties remain bunched about that, least you got another opportunity to say Prescott was just a game manger while your guy is the future face of the NFL. It's funny to me you now want to back away from all that and call it sarcasm when the truth was you got pissed, lashed out and cashed a check that won't cash.

We'll see in due time

LOL what an ignorant statement. So the problem is his "cockiness" on the field, a place where he's routinely proven to be a winner. If his "college bull shit" of him winning a bunch of games and taking home the Heisman is the worst Cleveland has to worry about, I think we'll be just fine.

 

[eaglesnut]

It's funny that Browns fans are in some Cowboys' fans heads on here. It's the Browns, they will be threatened by any fans nowadays

Give us Browns fans a break, we haven't looked this good on paper in 30 years or longer, let us have that for now ffs

Cowboys fans are really hyper-sensitive about the coming season. Must be a lot of fear inside them.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

And yet, his numbers are still pretty average across the board. Maybe some year he'll top 22 TD passes over a full 16 games.

as long as he keeps winning!

 

[Across The Field]

as long as he keeps winning!

Here's the real question - Do you think he's worth $35m, or could you also still get those same wins with a cheaper QB? The guy is on a loaded roster, which IMO is what is making him seem so valuable. I think he's a good QB, but for the supposed money they're talking about giving him, it just seems excessive.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Here's the real question - Do you think he's worth $35m, or could you also still get those same wins with a cheaper QB? The guy is on a loaded roster, which IMO is what is making him seem so valuable. I think he's a good QB, but for the supposed money they're talking about giving him, it just seems excessive.

I dont think any player is worth 35 mil.
but
the alternative is to start over at QB which makes your team a sub 500 team.
So while I dont agree with how the NFL has it set up to automatically keep upping all player salaries every year.
As a fan I dont want to see my team be a sub500 team when they dont have to be.
Dak will get paid regardless of how I feel. So as long as he keeps winning.

 

[Across The Field]

I dont think any player is worth 35 mil.
but
the alternative is to start over at QB which makes your team a sub 500 team.
So while I dont agree with how the NFL has it set up to automatically keep upping all player salaries every year.
As a fan I dont want to see my team be a sub500 team when they dont have to be.
Dak will get paid regardless of how I feel. So as long as he keeps winning.

What makes you think Dallas would become a sub-.500 team without Dak? It's not like he's in there lighting it up every game. He has some good games, and then he has some where he does enough not to mess up, and then there are those that they win despite him. Your defense and running game are enough to win you at least 7-8 games IMO.

 

[Ty41Office]

Why is Nick Foles on this list?

 

[Schmoopy1000]

What makes you think Dallas would become a sub-.500 team without Dak? It's not like he's in there lighting it up every game. He has some good games, and then he has some where he does enough not to mess up, and then there are those that they win despite him. Your defense and running game are enough to win you at least 7-8 games IMO.

Well I guess this is where we will just have to disagree.
Dak & the running game compliment each other. Which is a reason for the balance.
At the end of tight games (which is how Garrettt coaches games, to be tight)
It is Dak that leads the team to those leads. Whether the defense can hold it is another matter.
The Defense for as much talk as it has gotten isnt all that & a bag of chips. It has in the past relied on the Offense to control the ball & clock. When the Offense fails. the Defense usually folds & fails miserably. I know I am not supposed to talk negatively about my team, but until the defense can control the trenches, they will always be spotty & will need to rely on the offensive game calling (that you dont like) for good stats.
We drafted some trench guys this year. So we will see if the defense can stand on their own, but until I see it. There are a ton of flaws in our defense. Take Dak out of the equation for a newb, & the running game suffers. The Offense without Dak or potent running & the defense suffers. Add all that together & we would end up about 5-11.
You have teams with Dominating defenses that carry their team
You have Dominating offenses that carry their teams.
The Cowboys are set up to be team oriented. So you wont see too many Cowboys with stunning stats. Well except for maybe Zeke, but that is because he is in every play. He runs, catches & blocks. So why show your hand by bringing in a situational back. Honestly not a lot of bell cows out there.
All of you that get stuck on stats. especially as proof for contracts, miss out on the important stuff.
Like the "it" factor, leadership, the ability to thrive in high pressure situations. Might as sprinkle in a little unselfishness. Dont see Dak saying hey I need to get my stats so I can get paid more or look better. His goal is winning. & I am glad to say. he is doing his job. So he will get paid.

Funny thing is. We could possibly find another QB that slings the ball. Get higher stats & we could lose a lot more doing it.
You ever heard of if its not broke dont fix it.
Cowboys are winning this way.
As soon as our DL raises its game, I will be excited for the possibilities.

If we pay Dak 33+ mil. & the team goes to shit. Then I will listen to you tell us how we shouldnt pay our starting QB.
Which btw. Would mean all teams would be playing QB under rookie contracts at all times if they refused to overpay. Or pay a retread less money, but honestly would still be overpaid. Doesnt make sense to start over at QB every 4 or 5 years when you have a Franchise QB.

Just my

 

[SteelersPride]

Well I guess this is where we will just have to disagree.
Dak & the running game compliment each other. Which is a reason for the balance.
At the end of tight games (which is how Garrettt coaches games, to be tight)
It is Dak that leads the team to those leads. Whether the defense can hold it is another matter.
The Defense for as much talk as it has gotten isnt all that & a bag of chips. It has in the past relied on the Offense to control the ball & clock. When the Offense fails. the Defense usually folds & fails miserably. I know I am not supposed to talk negatively about my team, but until the defense can control the trenches, they will always be spotty & will need to rely on the offensive game calling (that you dont like) for good stats.
We drafted some trench guys this year. So we will see if the defense can stand on their own, but until I see it. There are a ton of flaws in our defense. Take Dak out of the equation for a newb, & the running game suffers. The Offense without Dak or potent running & the defense suffers. Add all that together & we would end up about 5-11.
You have teams with Dominating defenses that carry their team
You have Dominating offenses that carry their teams.
The Cowboys are set up to be team oriented. So you wont see too many Cowboys with stunning stats. Well except for maybe Zeke, but that is because he is in every play. He runs, catches & blocks. So why show your hand by bringing in a situational back. Honestly not a lot of bell cows out there.
All of you that get stuck on stats. especially as proof for contracts, miss out on the important stuff.
Like the "it" factor, leadership, the ability to thrive in high pressure situations. Might as sprinkle in a little unselfishness. Dont see Dak saying hey I need to get my stats so I can get paid more or look better. His goal is winning. & I am glad to say. he is doing his job. So he will get paid.

Funny thing is. We could possibly find another QB that slings the ball. Get higher stats & we could lose a lot more doing it.
You ever heard of if its not broke dont fix it.
Cowboys are winning this way.
As soon as our DL raises its game, I will be excited for the possibilities.

If we pay Dak 33+ mil. & the team goes to shit. Then I will listen to you tell us how we shouldnt pay our starting QB.
Which btw. Would mean all teams would be playing QB under rookie contracts at all times if they refused to overpay. Or pay a retread less money, but honestly would still be overpaid. Doesnt make sense to start over at QB every 4 or 5 years when you have a Franchise QB.

Just my

No ones reading thatt

 

[Across The Field]

Well I guess this is where we will just have to disagree.
Dak & the running game compliment each other. Which is a reason for the balance.
At the end of tight games (which is how Garrettt coaches games, to be tight)
It is Dak that leads the team to those leads. Whether the defense can hold it is another matter.
The Defense for as much talk as it has gotten isnt all that & a bag of chips. It has in the past relied on the Offense to control the ball & clock. When the Offense fails. the Defense usually folds & fails miserably. I know I am not supposed to talk negatively about my team, but until the defense can control the trenches, they will always be spotty & will need to rely on the offensive game calling (that you dont like) for good stats.
We drafted some trench guys this year. So we will see if the defense can stand on their own, but until I see it. There are a ton of flaws in our defense. Take Dak out of the equation for a newb, & the running game suffers. The Offense without Dak or potent running & the defense suffers. Add all that together & we would end up about 5-11.
You have teams with Dominating defenses that carry their team
You have Dominating offenses that carry their teams.
The Cowboys are set up to be team oriented. So you wont see too many Cowboys with stunning stats. Well except for maybe Zeke, but that is because he is in every play. He runs, catches & blocks. So why show your hand by bringing in a situational back. Honestly not a lot of bell cows out there.
All of you that get stuck on stats. especially as proof for contracts, miss out on the important stuff.
Like the "it" factor, leadership, the ability to thrive in high pressure situations. Might as sprinkle in a little unselfishness. Dont see Dak saying hey I need to get my stats so I can get paid more or look better. His goal is winning. & I am glad to say. he is doing his job. So he will get paid.

Funny thing is. We could possibly find another QB that slings the ball. Get higher stats & we could lose a lot more doing it.
You ever heard of if its not broke dont fix it.
Cowboys are winning this way.
As soon as our DL raises its game, I will be excited for the possibilities.

If we pay Dak 33+ mil. & the team goes to shit. Then I will listen to you tell us how we shouldnt pay our starting QB.
Which btw. Would mean all teams would be playing QB under rookie contracts at all times if they refused to overpay. Or pay a retread less money, but honestly would still be overpaid. Doesnt make sense to start over at QB every 4 or 5 years when you have a Franchise QB.

Just my

Fair assessment. He's definitely won over the fanbase, and as I've said, it's obvious that he's a good QB. The biggest issue I have is that, when you look at his numbers closer and how he's actually performed, it's just not that impressive. I can post them, but my guess is you won't have much interest in them, as other Cowboys fans haven't either. Basically, it shows that he was incredibly good his rookie year, and has tailed off substantially since then. If it was the other way around - he started off slow but has shown improvement - I'd understand giving him the money. However, as his pass attempts have increased over the past two seasons, his actual value statistics have gotten worse.

At any rate, this is an enormous year for him. I think Dallas would be wise not to throw that much money at him right away until they see how he does this year. He has a healthy OL, Zeke for the whole year, Amari for the whole year, and Witten is back (if anything, he's an amazing leader who can help in a lot of ways).

 

[eaglesnut]

Why is Nick Foles on this list?

Under 48 regular season starts.

 

[beardown07]

i'll bookmark your bullshit…mannion OWNS the PAC12 passing records to date and goff was shit his entire NFL 1st year.

thanks for playin.

lulz...can't be shit yer entire first year iffin ya don't ever set foot on the field. Smart move by Mannion.

 

[PDay8810]

LOL what an ignorant statement. So the problem is his "cockiness" on the field, a place where he's routinely proven to be a winner. If his "college bull shit" of him winning a bunch of games and taking home the Heisman is the worst Cleveland has to worry about, I think we'll be just fine.

missed it by this much...not all that much of a surprise I suppose

 

[Battlelyon]

Now you guys have to see the Mannion nonsense we had to deal with on the Rams board, must be his agent or relative

 

[Shanemansj13]

Baker wins in a landslide...gotta see it on the field. If he can take another big step in year 2 it will be a hell of a year. Most important thing is protecting him like they did the 2nd half of the season last year, with his quick release and great accuracy he could thrive.

Tribusky made a big step in year 2, if he makes another big step that would be huge for the Bears. Not counting on that but I do see him improving a little.

I'm thinking Darnold improves a lot in the 2nd year, the 2nd best rookie QB imo. Really like this kid.

All the other options are rookies or shitty like Josh Allen and Josh Rosen.

I guess Foles could have a breakout FULL season. Getting benched for the brittle ging and not being able to play a full season, this could help him. Depends on he fits into this offense.

 

[Battlelyon]

this guy…OWNS the PAC12 passing records to date, better than goff (injury prone).


the beauty is any team in the NFL can hire his services for next to nothing...


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Goff, injury prone

 

[richig07]

@nebearsfan70

Intrigued by your facepalm on my Trubs post. What did you think was so asinine?