Game Thread: CFP SEMIFINAL: Clemson (13-0) vs Ohio State (13-0) 8pm ET ESPN

[WizardHawk]

He did his job as he got the refs to look at the hit and even make a bogus call.....even got many here to see video evidence the call was wrong and still believe they got it.

There's no way he was faking it on the ground. That hit rattled him and he should have gone through the protocol.

 

[Across The Field]

OK....but could be argued the QB caused the helmet to helmet contact. In fact, this really isn't debatable.

Lawrence clearly dipped his head at the last moment which creates the helmet to helmet . But the “it’s the rules” morons put the bogus expectation on the defender to re adjust himself accordingly instantly in a fraction of a second.

And this is why so many people, OSU fans an non-OSU fans, called it bullshit. It's what I've said all along - it completely goes against the spirit of the rule and why it was created in the first place. There have to be some changes made to the rule, because that sort of game-altering play should never happen again, especially in a game of this magnitude.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

I can understand the penalty, but not the ejection. The ejection should only be when it's evident the hit was intended to be malicious and avoidable.

Blame the rule, not the execution.

 

[dtgold88]

Here's what the refs had to say about both calls:

"Referee Kevin Williamson stood behind the call, telling a pool reporter, "This was a crown-of-the-helmet targeting foul. Initial contact was with the crown of the helmet. Then he wrapped up for the tackle. So at that point, targeting was properly called."

"Williamson also stood behind the overturned fumble, saying, "After the video, instant replay in the stadium as well as back at the video center, they both looked at it slow and fast and they determined when he moved, the ball was becoming loose in his hands and he did not complete the process of the catch."

Who would have guessed a ref did not want to say he might have erred in a huge call (or 2).

He did, and you have video evidence to prove it. Could both have gone the way they did? I guess. Had targeting and no catch been ruled on field I could understand not overturning. But they weren't.

 

[Bayou Tiger]

OK....but could be argued the QB caused the helmet to helmet contact. In fact, this really isn't debatable.

This is exactly what happened. It's only natural to duck when something is coming at you with speed, to hit you. You would have to rewire your nervous system to avoid making this sudden movement.

They ejected him for something he had no control of....he can't control Trevor's sudden ducking movement while he is airborne diving into what at the moment he launched, was Trevor's chest level.

Bad call. Clemson won on calls. Refs gave it to them with this bad call...


They ruled it correctly on the field, then overturned it during review.

Total bullshit.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

And this is why so many people, OSU fans an non-OSU fans, called it bullshit. It's what I've said all along - it completely goes against the spirit of the rule and why it was created in the first place. There have to be some changes made to the rule, because that sort of game-altering play should never happen again, especially in a game of this magnitude.

At least you seem to finally be acknowledging that the call was in-line with the rules of the game.

 

[dtgold88]

And this is why so many people, OSU fans an non-OSU fans, called it bullshit. It's what I've said all along - it completely goes against the spirit of the rule and why it was created in the first place. There have to be some changes made to the rule, because that sort of game-altering play should never happen again, especially in a game of this magnitude.

As I just said....could almost understand if targeting was original call not changing it. But to go from no call to a target is absurd on that play.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Who would have guessed a ref did not want to say he might have erred in a huge call (or 2).

He did, and you have video evidence to prove it. Could both have gone the way they did? I guess. Had targeting and no catch been ruled on field I could understand not overturning. But they weren't.

It's indisputable that the OSU defender led with the crown of the helmet.

All of this garbage about what Lawrence did is irrelevant to whether it is a penalty.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

As I just said....could almost understand if targeting was original call not changing it. But to go from no call to a target is absurd on that play.

Learn the rules, then come back.

 

[Across The Field]

At least you seem to finally be acknowledging that the call was in-line with the rules of the game.

If what we saw last night is "in-line with the rules of the game", then these rules have to be dramatically changed, because that was a fantastic tackle. The initial intent was for his shoulder to drive into Lawrence, but then Lawrence ducked down at the last second causing the incidental helmet contact. It was just horrible.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

This is exactly what happened. It's only natural to duck when something is coming at you with speed, to hit you. You would have to rewire your nervous system to avoid making this sudden movement.

They ejected him for something he had no control of....he can't control Trevor's sudden ducking movement while he is airborne diving into what at the moment he launched, was Trevor's chest level.

Bad call. Clemson won on calls. Refs gave it to them with this bad call...


They ruled it correctly on the field, then overturned it during review.

Total bullshit.

It wasn't the helmet to helmet contact that got him ejected...it was leading with the crown of the helmet.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Learn the rules, then come back.

Jesus man. You need some knee pads too. “All rules are good praise the officials”

 

[dtgold88]

This is exactly what happened. It's only natural to duck when something is coming at you with speed, to hit you. You would have to rewire your nervous system to avoid making this sudden movement.

They ejected him for something he had no control of....he can't control Trevor's sudden ducking movement while he is airborne diving into what at the moment he launched, was Trevor's chest level.

Bad call. Clemson won on calls. Refs gave it to them with this bad call...


They ruled it correctly on the field, then overturned it during review.

Total bullshit.

Really all we have arguing against what is so obvious are guys whose teams are alsorans and just want to be trolls.

and they succeeded, I guess.

Said countless time, I hope if my team ever becomes irreleant I don't resort to those tactics. Guessing after the next game I'll be congratulating fans of the team that won, giving rational comments on the game....wont be trolling the losing team fans.

But that's me.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

If what we saw last night is "in-line with the rules of the game", then these rules have to be dramatically changed, because that was a fantastic tackle. The initial intent was for his shoulder to drive into Lawrence, but then Lawrence ducked down at the last second causing the incidental helmet contact. It was just horrible.

No, you're incorrect...he led with the crown of the helmet.

I'm all for changing the targeting rule...but this game was called according to the rules of the game as they are now...not how you want them to be.

 

[osubuckeye89]

There's no way he was faking it on the ground. That hit rattled him and he should have gone through the protocol.

Yea you’d think someone would have some explaining to do for how he magically bypassed the very standard concussion protocol.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Jesus man. You need some knee pads too. “All rules are good praise the officials”

I don't like the targeting rule...but it is the rule.

 

[Across The Field]

It's indisputable that the OSU defender led with the crown of the helmet.

All of this garbage about what Lawrence did is irrelevant to whether it is a penalty.

Here's the thing - it's impossible for your helmet to not be ahead of where your shoulders are when making a tackle. You can't just suddenly sink your head into your abdomen. It's simple anatomy - when you are trying to tackle someone, your head is naturally going to be ahead of your shoulder. It became "targeting" when Lawrence lowered his helmet to meet Wade's. This was nothing at all like other targets where the player was clearly trying to go helmet-to-helmet. It was incidental contact that should never be a penalty.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I don't like the targeting rule...but it is the rule.

You sure are defending it a lot for someone who “doesn’t like it”

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Really all we have arguing against what is so obvious are guys whose teams are alsorans and just want to be trolls.

and they succeeded, I guess.

Said countless time, I hope if my team ever becomes irreleant I don't resort to those tactics. Guessing after the next game I'll be congratulating fans of the team that won, giving rational comments on the game....wont be trolling the losing team fans.

But that's me.

Guessing you'll still be obsessed with the referee calls in this game.

 

[WizardHawk]

And this is why so many people, OSU fans an non-OSU fans, called it bullshit. It's what I've said all along - it completely goes against the spirit of the rule and why it was created in the first place. There have to be some changes made to the rule, because that sort of game-altering play should never happen again, especially in a game of this magnitude.

They are never going to change the rule to make helmet first contact on a QB acceptable.

I've been at UW practices watching how they teach tackling technique. You have to lead with your shoulder. OSU fans can complain until the cows come home, but launching into a tackle with your head down and leading with it has the potential to end in a targeting call. It wasn't a bad call under the rule and was preventable, even if you believe Lawrence flinched and moved his head to protect himself.

Period.