Brady Quetionable

[YankeeRebel]

Agreed.

Give the kid some shots. Literally, make him take some hits, let him hand off, let him make some throws.
If anything, find out what he's got or turn him into trade bait.

I damn sure don't think Etling is the answer

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Tom Brady had one of his worst days as a QB in his professional career yesterday.

He was 13 of 26 passing for 50%
Passing yardage was 128 yards
QB Rating was 48.6
2 Interceptions
0 TDs

Odd how quickly that the football talking heads can can poinbtout a dismal performance and are pretty much proclaiming that Tom Brady has finally reached the end of a Hall of Fame career. Another oddity is that they forget that they proclaimed the exact same thing during the Super Bowl comeback against the Falcons three years ago and pretty much did the same thing last year when he won the MVP.

As I've stated several times, people who know what they're talking about have pointed out that Brady's mechanics look skewed. He does not appear to be able to drop back and plant and push hard off his right leg. Because of that he can't fire the ball with the speed and thrust needed to keep the ball trajected properly and the ball is falling short of the target or is not getting to the proper spot. The brace that has to wear is causing irritation on the knee and gets moved when he gets hit low.

As bad as he was playing yesterday, he didn't argue in the 4th quarter when Josh and BB took him out and let Hoyer take over. Personally, I like to see if Etling can play at this level in a real game and not just preseason. "I" think he is much better than Hoyer and not allowing him to show what he can do is more evidence of "poor" coaching.

I wonder if TB, JE and Gronk are blaming BB for banning Guerro (sp)? All three playing bad this season.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I damn sure don't think Etling is the answer

I don't think any of us thought Brady was the answer either?

 

[YankeeRebel]

I don't think any of us thought Brady was the answer either?

Okay...

I damn sure don't think Etling is the answer. Don't know what this has to to do with Brady.

 

[BigKen]

I wonder if TB, JE and Gronk are blaming BB for banning Guerro (sp)? All three playing bad this season.

I think BB is blaming Guerrero for them not playing well and having injuries. Lifting massive weight repeatedly prevents all injuries. Resistance training with elastic bands is for sissies........of course, unless you make it to the Super Bowl.

Look, let's be upright about this. Brady did not attend one voluntary workout. We all know that this was his protest over the banning of his business partner, Alex Guerrero. Gronk missed all of them also. but he was mending from a bunch of injuries, primarily his back. Brady has never missed anything and has always put in extra work with all of the WRs in the dome. That didn't happen this year and he lost two of his best WRs, Brandin Cooks and Danny Amendola during the off season. BB did not make any attempt to shore up the receiving corps other than bring in C. Patterson who was more of a kick returner than route runner. BB took a flyer on Josh Gordon and it was good until someone let him go pleywith friends without supervision. As that old saying goes, 'you can't put an addict in a room with a needle and heroin and not expect a prick'. They gave Josh too much rope and he made a noose.

If I'm BB and the Krafts keep me as HC, I tell Brady that if he's not back with the team at all of the offseason workouts then he cannot expect to be the starting QB next year. Let TB make the decision.
If he doesn't show, then start Etling or someone else and don't just hand over the job to TB when he shows up.

Brady pretty much proved that working out with his WRs during the offseason allows him to get a repoire with each of them that really shows in Nov and Dec. It's not evident at all this year.

If Brady truly wants to play until he's forty five, he's got to have that special something with his skill team mates or he'll be running for his life and not playing anywhere near where he's played previously.

2018 hasn't been a bust, but it surely could have been much better.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

Tom Brady, to @westwood1sports, if he's coming back in 2019 and playing a full season: "I absolutely believe I will. I know I've talked about it for a long time. I have goals to play not only next year, but beyond that. I'm going to try to do as best I possibly can."

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

The fact they’re let Etling travel with the team all year as a PS player says they see enough in him to work on developing. The fact he’s been on the PS all year says he hasn’t outperformed Hoyer yet. I dunno...that sounds like reasonably solid coaching to me. If this week were a meaningless game sure throw him in there and see what happens. It’s not, so we’re getting a full serving of Brady and I’m A-OK with that. I wouldn’t particularly want to see Hoyer in this game, but if God forbid Brady did have to go out at some point with the game in doubt, I’d certainly rathr see him than Etling with a bye on the line.

 

[YankeeRebel]

I think BB is blaming Guerrero for them not playing well and having injuries. Lifting massive weight repeatedly prevents all injuries. Resistance training with elastic bands is for sissies........of course, unless you make it to the Super Bowl.

Look, let's be upright about this. Brady did not attend one voluntary workout. We all know that this was his protest over the banning of his business partner, Alex Guerrero. Gronk missed all of them also. but he was mending from a bunch of injuries, primarily his back. Brady has never missed anything and has always put in extra work with all of the WRs in the dome. That didn't happen this year and he lost two of his best WRs, Brandin Cooks and Danny Amendola during the off season. BB did not make any attempt to shore up the receiving corps other than bring in C. Patterson who was more of a kick returner than route runner. BB took a flyer on Josh Gordon and it was good until someone let him go pleywith friends without supervision. As that old saying goes, 'you can't put an addict in a room with a needle and heroin and not expect a prick'. They gave Josh too much rope and he made a noose.

If I'm BB and the Krafts keep me as HC, I tell Brady that if he's not back with the team at all of the offseason workouts then he cannot expect to be the starting QB next year. Let TB make the decision.
If he doesn't show, then start Etling or someone else and don't just hand over the job to TB when he shows up.

Brady pretty much proved that working out with his WRs during the offseason allows him to get a repoire with each of them that really shows in Nov and Dec. It's not evident at all this year.

If Brady truly wants to play until he's forty five, he's got to have that special something with his skill team mates or he'll be running for his life and not playing anywhere near where he's played previously.

2018 hasn't been a bust, but it surely could have been much better.

So your plan is to try an apply an ultimatum to the greatest QB of all time and the bait you want to use is that of a 7th round pick who was on the practice squad all last year? I'm sure Tom will be crushed by the weight of that.

I don't think the play this year has anything at all to do with Geurrero (SP?) I think that is the conspiracy theory of a few fans. It's not like the players can't see him they can he is just banned from the facility.

Gronk just has lost it and the Pats are trying desperately to get out of him what they can in a last ditch effort I would be surprised if he is back next year. JE seems to have lost his confidence is catching the ball with his body and appears to be losing his concentration when looking the ball in, this could be shell shock from all the years of playing the game over the middle. Cooks, Danny and Josh when you bring guys in on the last year or two of a contract you risk losing them to FA and that happens, Josh well that is all on him. It seems and it makes sense to me that BB is not comfortable drafting WRs it's not been a strong suit of his, and I suspect that will continue this offseason I suspect he will lock down a FA. And the Pats need to get them a real #1 and a TE,

 

[YankeeRebel]

The fact they’re let Etling travel with the team all year as a PS player says they see enough in him to work on developing. The fact he’s been on the PS all year says he hasn’t outperformed Hoyer yet. I dunno...that sounds like reasonably solid coaching to me. If this week were a meaningless game sure throw him in there and see what happens. It’s not, so we’re getting a full serving of Brady and I’m A-OK with that. I wouldn’t particularly want to see Hoyer in this game, but if God forbid Brady did have to go out at some point with the game in doubt, I’d certainly rathr see him than Etling with a bye on the line.

I damn sure don't feel any better with Hoyer than I do Etling neither appeals to me. I really think the Pats need to take a hard look at this team this offseason and work FA and the draft. On the offensive side I feel this team needs to secure a QB, #1 WR and TE.

 

[PatsFan2003]

I damn sure don't feel any better with Hoyer than I do Etling neither appeals to me. I really think the Pats need to take a hard look at this team this offseason and work FA and the draft. On the offensive side I feel this team needs to secure a QB, #1 WR and TE.

It was nice to see Hoyer in action last Sunday and be reminded on how bad he is as a QB.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

I damn sure don't feel any better with Hoyer than I do Etling neither appeals to me. I really think the Pats need to take a hard look at this team this offseason and work FA and the draft. On the offensive side I feel this team needs to secure a QB, #1 WR and TE.

Hoyer may be an unappealing option in comparison to Brady, but look around the league...how many teams have a QB2 you’d feel great about going into a game? Look at some of the QB’s that have played meaningful snaps this year...there’s a lot worse than Hoyer out there. How many backup QB’s with 10 years in the league, years of experience in their team’s offense, have started and won games in the league across multiple seasons, and have cap numbers under $1M are there? I’d be surprised if the list goes longer than Hoyer. He’s certainly not irreplaceable but they could do a lot worse, too.

I like your wish list, but it’s gonna be hard to fill even one of those spots in one off-season much less all three. Here’s hoping they hit on this year’s draft class because their cap situation isn’t great and this team is getting old fast.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Hoyer may be an unappealing option in comparison to Brady, but look around the league...how many teams have a QB2 you’d feel great about going into a game? Look at some of the QB’s that have played meaningful snaps this year...there’s a lot worse than Hoyer out there. How many backup QB’s with 10 years in the league, years of experience in their team’s offense, have started and won games in the league across multiple seasons, and have cap numbers under $1M are there? I’d be surprised if the list goes longer than Hoyer. He’s certainly not irreplaceable but they could do a lot worse, too.

I like your wish list, but it’s gonna be hard to fill even one of those spots in one off-season much less all three. Here’s hoping they hit on this year’s draft class because their cap situation isn’t great and this team is getting old fast.

Well I consider the draft part of the offseason so the filling of those positions would be through FA and the draft.

I don't think there is a QB to be had FA so I think the Pats draft one. I think a TE I would take a look at is Jared Cook and Eifert both FA I think. And hell maybe the Pats can talk Fitz to coming to NE

I get what you are saying about Hoyer, and if it came down to it I would be more comfy with him than Etling at least he know's our offense, has played in the NFL and can hand off to a pretty nice RB corps.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

I like Eifert but man he makes Gronk look like an absolute iron man. He’s missed 41 of 80 games so far in his career.

 

[patspa]

Look the Pats wouldn't find a qb in fa, what qb would come here knowing Brady says he wants to be here a few more years well at least through next year. These guys want to start whoever it might be. And the draft forget it this year it is thin on qbs esp at where they'll be drafting and the supposed number 1 guy is staying in school, not that they would've been able to get him. The next 2 years drafts will be stocked with qbs. So why waste a pick this year on a qb. Yes they do need one but why not wait to dip into the pool with the more talent at that position, yes it would be nice to get him in here and sit and learn for a year. This team needs help basically all over, the young talent on this team is not very good except for a few players.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Okay...

I damn sure don't think Etling is the answer. Don't know what this has to to do with Brady.

That Brady character turned out pretty well. He wasn't considered the answer either that's what it has to do with this. We just don't know?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I think BB is blaming Guerrero for them not playing well and having injuries. Lifting massive weight repeatedly prevents all injuries. Resistance training with elastic bands is for sissies........of course, unless you make it to the Super Bowl.

Look, let's be upright about this. Brady did not attend one voluntary workout. We all know that this was his protest over the banning of his business partner, Alex Guerrero. Gronk missed all of them also. but he was mending from a bunch of injuries, primarily his back. Brady has never missed anything and has always put in extra work with all of the WRs in the dome. That didn't happen this year and he lost two of his best WRs, Brandin Cooks and Danny Amendola during the off season. BB did not make any attempt to shore up the receiving corps other than bring in C. Patterson who was more of a kick returner than route runner. BB took a flyer on Josh Gordon and it was good until someone let him go pleywith friends without supervision. As that old saying goes, 'you can't put an addict in a room with a needle and heroin and not expect a prick'. They gave Josh too much rope and he made a noose.

If I'm BB and the Krafts keep me as HC, I tell Brady that if he's not back with the team at all of the offseason workouts then he cannot expect to be the starting QB next year. Let TB make the decision.
If he doesn't show, then start Etling or someone else and don't just hand over the job to TB when he shows up.

Brady pretty much proved that working out with his WRs during the offseason allows him to get a repoire with each of them that really shows in Nov and Dec. It's not evident at all this year.

If Brady truly wants to play until he's forty five, he's got to have that special something with his skill team mates or he'll be running for his life and not playing anywhere near where he's played previously.

2018 hasn't been a bust, but it surely could have been much better.

If this was still week 8 or so I may agree? But OTAs and voluntary camps aren't what's affecting his poor throws. He's had plenty of time to regain trust(not that it needed much) he played with these guys long enough. The injuries are what's hurting them IMO.

 

[Southieinnc]

All of our skill players are getting old before our eyes.
After Belichick won his 1st SB with us, he bombed the next year. He attributed that to letting his (linemen) getting too old. He said he'd never make that mistake again. It's not our linemen this time - it's damn near everybody.
Now what do we do? Make the most of this year and reload without losing your skilled veterans? That ship has sailed. We hve alot of work to do.

Win the SB this year and the Pats are all geniuses. Lose it and can't field a team next year? We have a lot of work to do.

 

[YankeeRebel]

That Brady character turned out pretty well. He wasn't considered the answer either that's what it has to do with this. We just don't know?

It has nothing to do with it. And to be truthful there was a lot of upside to Brady and teams knew that. Hell the Pats had him rated higher then where they took but other players of interest kept dropping. Brady had proven his worth and had already earned the rep of being able to win from behind. I really don't think you can compare the two, but if you fell compelled so be it.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Look the Pats wouldn't find a qb in fa, what qb would come here knowing Brady says he wants to be here a few more years well at least through next year. These guys want to start whoever it might be. And the draft forget it this year it is thin on qbs esp at where they'll be drafting and the supposed number 1 guy is staying in school, not that they would've been able to get him. The next 2 years drafts will be stocked with qbs. So why waste a pick this year on a qb. Yes they do need one but why not wait to dip into the pool with the more talent at that position, yes it would be nice to get him in here and sit and learn for a year. This team needs help basically all over, the young talent on this team is not very good except for a few players.

TB was quoted as saying he wants to return in 2019. Players go where the money is and where they feel there is a chance to play. TB may return for 2019 but I think most feel that will be it, and unlike years past it does seem time may finally be catching up with TB12.

And yes now that the Oregon kid committed to stay the already thin class got thinner but you still have to consider the options. There are no QBs in this class that impress me as being able to play right away, which is why you grab a kid you feel could develop, maybe someone like Daniel Jones from Duke in round 2 or 3

 

[NWPATSFAN]

It has nothing to do with it. And to be truthful there was a lot of upside to Brady and teams knew that. Hell the Pats had him rated higher then where they took but other players of interest kept dropping. Brady had proven his worth and had already earned the rep of being able to win from behind. I really don't think you can compare the two, but if you fell compelled so be it.

I feel more then compelled.
You're talking jibberish.
Brady went #199 his pro day numbers were terrible. If there were more thana handful that had him going sooner I'd be shocked. He couldn't even hold a starter position at Michigan. He lost out to two others. How long have you been watching football?

Not sure why you won't accept the fact these players could have similiar careers? If Bledsoe didn't get hurt we still may not know what TB turned out to be. I'm just saying don't be so definitive. We DON'T know at this point.