Blow the team up trade ideas

[Bowlby]

Joe Thornton, Dan Boyle, Jason Demers, draft pick

to Toronto
for

Phil Kessel, Cody Franson, Mike Komisarek


Antii Niemi, Patruck marleau

to Philly For

JVR, Sean Couturier, Andrej Meszaros


Havlat

to Wash for

Troy Brouwer

Re-sign Winnik

 

[MrChangoT97]

I say you start from the top. Doug Wilson OUT! Then hire a GM that has a winning resume, and have him decide to keep or get rid of TMac.

 

[naes666]

I say you start from the top. Doug Wilson OUT! Then hire a GM that has a winning resume, and have him decide to keep or get rid of TMac.

agree, im sick and tired of Wilson

 

[filosofy29]

Nothing even remotely close to this will happen unless the Sharks miss the playoffs or get swept in the first round.

There are NMC's galore for the guys you want to get rid of. Thornton and Marleau aren't going anywhere for awhile.

 

[naes666]

can't we get some French Canadian guy or something for GM?

;0


or maybe Ricci...Irbe...Nolan...whatever!

 

[caliraftdude]

Draft picks... lots and lots of draft picks.

I am not 100% sold on the "blow the team up" theme, but I was feeling like last year was our last shot with this nucleus - and imho.. the organization has given our current core more than enough help/chances to get something done... its obvious the core is broken - not the pieces around it.

The Sharks may get a streak and sneak in, but they are WOEFULLY inconsistent and that starts from their top people. Its hard to say if that elusive switch will get toggled in the right direction and for how long.

Several years of low placement in the draft and a lot of trades later has left us with one of the worst development pools and no championship banners. Odds are that this core is not going to magically meld or get any better as it ages... and it seems like teams around us are.

 

[sjrules99]

Up to now, Ive been a pretty staunch Dougie supporter, but this year has left me really scratching my head. I just fear that the sharks are the new blues: Tons of PO appearance and high finishes only to bow out in the PO's and then eventually enter into a prolonged decline. I fear that the heyday for the sharks has passed, and that the decline has started. They have only 2 legit players under the age of 27 (burns and cooch) and their top 3 players are all entering their mid or late 30's. Even most of their secondary players are 30+ (Clowe, havlat, murray...). The question is how is dougie going to restock the youth with nearly nothing in the system of high quality...

Here is my prediction:

Jumbo and patty stay put. Havlat as well since who wants an breathing injury with 5M per for several years? Boyle obviously wont move. However, Nemo may become trade bait. After all, SC winning goalies aren't readily available, particularly for under 4M and at a reasonable age. With stalock, sexsmith, sateri and the depth of the sharks goaltending, I think dougie might role the dice on youth next year in net and package nemo and demers for a young top 6 forward.

Niemi+demers to NJ (to replace marty) for a young top 6 forward like Henrique?

Nemo to Toronto for Bozak

Nemo to washington for johansson

its a risky move, but it would give the sharks another top 6 piece to bild around while also freeing up significant salary to keep going at before the big 3 contracts are up after 2 more years.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Thornton, Marleau, Havlat, Burns, and Couture aren't going anywhere. Braun, Wingels, and Boyle are probably safe as well but Boyle's NTC does become a limited one on July 1st so he is moveable.

It appers Wilson is again changing his focus on what skill sets he's look for in player. It may just be coincidence but there seems to be a definate focus on skating and stickhandling as opposed to size and board play. Moore, Galiardi, and Winnik are all top tier skaters in both speed and agility who also handle the puck very well. Wingels, another player who's solid in both those areas, has taken a prominent role on the roster. At the same time a poor skater like Handzus has seen a reduction in his role with the team, McGinn who has good speed but very poor agility and stick work was moved. Even Murray and Clowe have seen minor reductions in their roles with the team.

If this is another change in direction Wilson is giving the Sharks then Pavelski, Clowe, Demers, and Murray may all be moved for pieces better fitting this new direction. A buy out of Handzus also wouldn't be a surprise.

As for Niemi I haven't a fricken clue as to what might happen with him. A move there may heavily depend on how Stalock does with Peoria.

 

[sjrules99]

dealing boyle would be huge white flag. he is still the unquestioned #1 dman right now. if they want to compete at any level, they have to keep him for now. I agree on all the others.

Obviously a ton depends on how this year ends, but if they miss the PO's, there is no way dougie goes at it again with minor tweaks here and there. He cant afford to keep going at it with the same core while ignoring the future any more. clowe is aging. murray too. pavs has hit his ceiling, IMO. any could certainly be a target...

I would prefer doug drop pavs and clowe for young forwards and prospects if they miss the PO's this year. trade zues for a 7th rounder. Let mitchell walk. That's nearly 12M in salary space. They will still have jumbo, patty, cooch, and havlat as the top 4 forwards. Hopefully they can get one young top 6 forward back for pavs and clowe as a 5th forward. Then they can spend the 12M on two or 3 UFA forwards. 4M is enough to land a very respectable top 6 or at least top 9 forward.

They can take a chance on a discounted Alex Semin, who should be cheap given his history and reputation. However, it's the same rep and the kostitsyns and you see what a change of scenery can do. Boyes will be cheap too with his aweful year. David jones, Jiri Hudler, and P.A. Parenteau could be good too. Obviously Parise would be nice, but he might get 7M+, and he's not worth that IMO. There are guys out there who can fill in temporarily to bridge the gap from the current aging core to the next generation.

Either way, I can't see dougie toptoeing this summer if they miss the PO's entirely...

P.S.: todd may lose his job too...

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Handzus has a full NMC so I don't see him being traded. Possible but seems unlikely. A buy out is more likely IMO.

Hudler and Parenteau would be solid additions but may end up being unreasonably priced on the UFA market. IMO a trade for Nash is more likely than a UFA signing of Parise though I'd prefer Parise between the two. Jones would be a great pick up.

If the Sharks miss the PO's or loose in the 1st round i think a complete coaching change would result. With Carlyle off the market the list of available experienced head coaches is very limited.

 

[Likewall32]

The dark ages are apon us... And I dont see the enphasis (sp?) on stick handling & speed if those guys cant score. McGinn was at least scoring. For all the knocks on Pavs, he puts up the same numbers guys making 2x his salary put up. Who cares if he's slow, he produces, speed doesnt mean shit if you cant do anything with it. Same with stick handling. If you and bob & weave thru a whole team but cant do shit in terms of shooting or setting up a goal, whats the point?

If that hawks goaltending fails in th POs, Niemi to Chi for Patrick Sharp...
Sign Paraise and tell marleau or thornton, if they dont waive the NTC, then they will sit. Give Logan, Boyle or Murray the "C". Fire DWil, Fire McC. How bout Nolan for a temp coach? haha

 

[filosofy29]

Hopefully we don't have to do this and we are all laughing at this post in a couple of months, lol. However, if the Sharks do decide to "blow it up", here's what I'd like to see.

Guys who will stay because I like them or they'd be too hard to move (i.e. - NMC's or just useless and overpaid):
Forwards: Thornton - $7m; Marleau - $6.9m; Havlat - $5m; Pavelski - $4mil; Couture - $2.87ml; Handzus - $2.5m = 28.275m
Defense: Boyle - $6.67m; Burns - $5.76m; Vlasic - $3.1m; Demers - $1.25m = $16.78
Goalies: None under contract for next season = $0

Players to re-sign from the RFA/UFA pool:
Sheppard - 1 year - $750K (two way contract); Wingels - 2 year - $750K per year; Winnik - 3 year - $4m total ($1.333m per year approx.); Galiardi - 3 year - $1m per year average; Braun - 3 year - $1.25m per year average; Greiss - 2 year - $875K per year average
TOTALS: $5.958333m

Trades:
To WAS: Niemi, Clowe and a 2012 3rd Rounder
To SJ: Johansson ($900K) and Brouwer $2.35m

To OTT: Murray
To SJ: The rights to RFA Foligno (re-sign to a 3 year contract for $1.5m per season average)
TOTALS: $56.638333 for 13 Forwards and 6 Defensemen and 1 Goalie
ESTIMATED CAP: $65m (cap space estimated $8.361667m)

Still need a 6th defenseman (Petrecki as 7th defenseman), 1 more Forward and possibly a stopgap goalie.

UFA's:
B. Stuart - 2 year $3m per year contract
Harding - 2 year $1.5m per year contract
Prust - 2 Year $1m per year contract

Total Cap Hit: $62.138333
Lineup:
Pavelski-Thornton-Marleau
Brouwer-Couture-Havlat
Foligno-Johansson-Galiardi
Wingels-Handzus-Winnik

Burns-Vlasic
Boyle-Stuart
Braun-Demers

Harding
Greiss

As for the Coach, I wouldn't mind keeping McLellan if the other two clowns are fired. There aren't a lot of good, established coaches on the market. Same goes for GM, I'm not really sure what young, up and comers there are out there. I'd have to do more research on both of these.

 

[banditshcky11]

Antii Niemi, Patruck marleau

to Philly For

JVR, Sean Couturier, Andrej Meszaros

You're not even close on this deal & your trying to trade for 2 guys who are untouchable now for an aging high priced guy who's losing his speed and skill and an extremely over-rated goalie, not happening.

I see your frustration with your team though and agree with whoever said get rid of your GM( and possibly coach).

 

[Cmon_WTF]

You're not even close on this deal & your trying to trade for 2 guys who are untouchable now for an aging high priced guy who's losing his speed and skill and an extremely over-rated goalie, not happening.

I see your frustration with your team though and agree with whoever said get rid of your GM( and possibly coach).

Marleau hasn't lost a step and is one of the better two-way forwards in the game. However, Marleau has a full NMC and isn't going anywhere anyways.

 

[banditshcky11]

Marleau hasn't lost a step and is one of the better two-way forwards in the game. However, Marleau has a full NMC and isn't going anywhere anyways.

I was very unimpressed with him during the Flyers Sharks game. My point about being no where close still stands. Couturier is an amazing 2-way already and he's only 18, JVR could go either way but ost agree that he'll be a 30g 65pt+ guy(he's had a mediocre season due to the injury bug though) & Mez is a solid top 4 guy who plays a physical game and has a great shot. How that's only worth Marleau and Niemi blows my mind, either the originally poster is a giant homer or just doesn't know enough about these players to accurately value them. That's not to mention what logic it takes that the team losing in the trade will take the biggest and worst contract in the deal and limit themselves by accepting huge NTC and what would be an overpaid back-up to them.

I don't see the Flyers and Sharks being good trade partners since we won't take back any big $ contracts, we won't trade away our youth & honestly the only players we would probably are the ones you want to keep.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Sunday NHL Rumor Roundup – March 4, 2012. | Spectors Hockey

Ugh...

Eklund of the Great White North (aka Bruce Garrioch) is saying Nash will be moved in the offseason and the Sharks are the frontrunner with Pavelski going to the BJ's.

The idea of Nash to San Jose really needs to go away.

 

[filosofy29]

Sunday NHL Rumor Roundup – March 4, 2012. | Spectors Hockey

Ugh...

Eklund of the Great White North (aka Bruce Garrioch) is saying Nash will be moved in the offseason and the Sharks are the frontrunner with Pavelski going to the BJ's.

The idea of Nash to San Jose really needs to go away.

Exactly this. Why not just go after Parise with a $7.8mil cap on the budget? Parise >>>>> Nash in my opinion. Then trade off Clowe or Pavelski for picks and prospects.

The good thing is, Garrioch is an idiot so hopefully this is untrue. Pretty much anybody who writes about hockey for any of the SUN's is a moron. See Strachan, Al.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

I was very unimpressed with him during the Flyers Sharks game. My point about being no where close still stands. Couturier is an amazing 2-way already and he's only 18, JVR could go either way but ost agree that he'll be a 30g 65pt+ guy(he's had a mediocre season due to the injury bug though) & Mez is a solid top 4 guy who plays a physical game and has a great shot. How that's only worth Marleau and Niemi blows my mind, either the originally poster is a giant homer or just doesn't know enough about these players to accurately value them. That's not to mention what logic it takes that the team losing in the trade will take the biggest and worst contract in the deal and limit themselves by accepting huge NTC and what would be an overpaid back-up to them.

I don't see the Flyers and Sharks being good trade partners since we won't take back any big $ contracts, we won't trade away our youth & honestly the only players we would probably are the ones you want to keep.

That offer may have stemmed from the Niemi for JVR+ rumors that were going around just prior to the trade deadline.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Exactly this. Why not just go after Parise with a $7.8mil cap on the budget? Parise >>>>> Nash in my opinion. Then trade off Clowe or Pavelski for picks and prospects.

The good thing is, Garrioch is an idiot so hopefully this is untrue. Pretty much anybody who writes about hockey for any of the SUN's is a moron. See Strachan, Al.

I would much rather have Parise as well but looking at DWil's history what is more likely to happen, a trade for a high profile player or a high priced UFA signing of one? This is just one rumor that I won't be convinced won't happen until Nash is actually traded to another team no matter what the credibility of the pundit is. It just has DWil written all over it. Probably moreso now with the Sharks having some scoring woes at this important point of the season.

The only thing that gives me some hope is the fact the Rangers have a much deeper prospect pool to offer.

 

[banditshcky11]

That offer may have stemmed from the Niemi for JVR+ rumors that were going around just prior to the trade deadline.

Yea I know SJ offered Niemi for JVR and Homer laughed then hung up the phone. One of our beat writers said it was a Brian Burke prank call to drive JVR's price down. JVR is valued ridiculously high here, Giroux, Coutuirier & Schenn are untouchable basically(unless it was say Weber's rights straight-up for one of them, not saying that equals out but that is how management looks at those 2).

If you really wanted JVR talks would have to start with either Vlassic or a blue chip defensive prospect(which I'm not sure what your system looks like) & proceed from there, but like I said I don't see us being good trade partners.