Belichick and Brady Were the NFL's Bird and Magic

[packerzrule]

 

[Yankee Traveler]

You can’t coach what Brady had, he was good from the start, clutch from day 1 … You don’t become the GOAT simply from coaching, Brady was going places regardless.. Not saying coaching can’t help, it certainly can, but Brady even told Kraft he was the best draft pick New England ever made when he arrived, he knew what he was bringing to that organization …

Brady had the drive to be the best and the willingness to do whatever it took to get there. He also has a fantastic memory which allows him to process things after he has seen them once, he remembers it.

He was not a tremendous athlete and had to learn many things about the game. Bill helped make him the goat. Any other coach he may not have gotten a first chance, which Bill gave him. not by drafting him but by keeping him as the 4th string QB.
Many teams don't keep 3, but Bill kept him. Fourth.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Right BUT Brady did, and when he left it showed just how good he was and always was

When Brady left the Pats were slammed against the salary cap because of all the dead money owed to all the other vets Bill brought in to win Super Bowls. All the Chris Long's, Marcellus and Michael Bennet's etc etc etc. Brady doesn't win 6 without them and he doesn't cherry pick a team that has everything but a QB like he did without those 6.

Most people overlook and/or forget that.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Brady had the drive to be the best and the willingness to do whatever it took to get there. He also has a fantastic memory which allows him to process things after he has seen them once, he remembers it.

He was not a tremendous athlete and had to learn many things about the game. Bill helped make him the goat. Any other coach he may not have gotten a first chance, which Bill gave him. not by drafting him but by keeping him as the 4th string QB.
Many teams don't keep 3, but Bill kept him. Fourth.

Yeah, no doubt being a good QB is between the ears, it’s such a mental position where your brain needs to process stuff quickly, Brady definitely had a good memory and extra ram in his cpu …

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

When Brady left the Pats were slammed against the salary cap because of all the dead money owed to all the other vets Bill brought in to win Super Bowls. All the Chris Long's, Marcellus and Michael Bennet's etc etc etc. Brady doesn't win 6 without them and he doesn't cherry pick a team that has everything but a QB like he did without those 6.

Most people overlook and/or forget that.

Good point, question though, without Brady, how many Super Bowls do you think the Pats get in that window ? In your opinion …

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Good point, question though, without Brady, how many Super Bowls do you think the Pats get in that window ? In your opinion …

In that window of 2001 to 2019 ? All things being equal?

It depends on the QB.

If the Pats had Manning and not Brady? 6.

If the Pats had Chad Pennington...somewhere between one and none.

Matty Ice? A few. Russel Wilson Maybe similar. Jimmy G could have won a couple over those two decades.
Not many would equal Manning or Brady combined with Bill Belichick.

Elway, Marino. Only the absolute greats would equal 6

Conversely, Brady on the Colts? 2. Maybe. Brady on the Don Shula Dolphins? Dunno.
Brady on the Walsh 49ers? 4, maybe 5.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Who cares about college ? It’s what he did at the next level that matters

Spot on. Different players take longer to mature and sometimes it takes a coach or team of coaches/trainers to get the best out of a player. As well as some players excel in different environments and systems.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

And the game plan for the first three SB's was "Brady, don't fuck it up." He grew into the goat because he was coached into the goat.

I'll add to that by saying he did it with a solid Oline and a very formidable D. If the D hadn't kept them in so many games is this even a conversation we'd be having? It's still a team game. Brady did everything he needed to do to be great. Everything from working with his coaches, studying, training and nutrition... it goes on and on. He put in the time and made many skill players a lot of money and recognition. Thus the reason I'm so adamant abut getting line help, both sides of the ball before skill position players. Moss was the only real #1 he ever had. That didn't get them a Lombardi.

Both TB and BB are the GOATs of their profession. I'll leave it at that.

 

[nefansince75]

I don’t think Brady would have been a backup, he would have won the starting job somewhere with his talent and ended up flourishing … But just to be clear, I think BB is a good coach, he knows what he’s doing … But Brady was just a rare unique talent that we might not ever see again … I’d take a young Brady over any QB in history if I was given the choice …

I wasn't questioning your take on BB. But Brady was rare and unique enough and also missing much of the tangibles that the standard eye expects an elite QB to have. Look at the Michigan footage and you'll see a Brady looking much the same as the one two and three years later - yet they didn't want him as their starter.

 

[Southieinnc]

In that window of 2001 to 2019 ? All things being equal?

It depends on the QB.

If the Pats had Manning and not Brady? 6.

If the Pats had Chad Pennington...somewhere between one and none.

Matty Ice? A few. Russel Wilson Maybe similar. Jimmy G could have won a couple over those two decades.
Not many would equal Manning or Brady combined with Bill Belichick.

Elway, Marino. Only the absolute greats would equal 6

Conversely, Brady on the Colts? 2. Maybe. Brady on the Don Shula Dolphins? Dunno.
Brady on the Walsh 49ers? 4, maybe 5.

Elway sucked......