POLL Bartolo Colon and the HOF

[navamind]

That means nothing. The job of a leadoff or #2 hitter is to get on base. Comparing him in a group that includes the other 7 spots in the line up is dumbassery.

His career OBP is .377.

And that didn't stop you from bringing up RBIs, but OK.

 

[soxfan1468927]

That means nothing. The job of a leadoff or #2 hitter is to get on base. Comparing him in a group that includes the other 7 spots in the line up is dumbassery.

Jeter's K% was 16.87% better than the league average for his career. Rickey Henderson is the greatest leadoff hitter of all time and his K% was 16.71% better than the league average for his career.

 

[PolarVortex]

Yet you brought up RBIs when comparing him and A-Rod...

POLL - Bartolo Colon and the HOF

Hypocrite? Def...

I had to in order to give him a decent chance of being better than ARod that year. But he still fell short. Never, ever, was the best at his position in any given year.

 

[PolarVortex]

His career OBP is .377.

And that didn't stop you from bringing up RBIs, but OK.

Cut his god-awful strikeout rate in half and that OBP would look a lot better.

 

[PolarVortex]

Jeter's K% was 16.87% better than the league average for his career. Rickey Henderson is the greatest leadoff hitter of all time and his K% was 16.71% better than the league average for his career.

Still comparing him to the other ot eh #3-#9 spots in the line up, eh? Yeah, your comparison continues to be worthless.

 

[navamind]

Cut his god-awful strikeout rate in half and that OBP would look a lot better.

"remove a player's outs from their stats and they'll look a lot better"

no shit

 

[soxfan1468927]

Still comparing him to the other ot eh #3-#9 spots in the line up, eh? Yeah, your comparison continues to be worthless.

I'm comparing him to the greatest lead off hitter of all time. You are correct that a lead off hitter should have a lower K% than the other parts of the lineup, and Jeter does. In fact, he does so more than the greatest lead off hitter of all time.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Cut his god-awful strikeout rate in half and that OBP would look a lot better.

"god-awful strikeout rate"

Do you have any idea what the strikeout rate for a lead off hitter/# 2 guy is?

 

[navamind]

Mariners fan logic, lol. No wonder that franchise hasn't made the playoffs since 2001.

 

[StanMarsh51]

I had to in order to give him a decent chance of being better than ARod that year. But he still fell short. Never, ever, was the best at his position in any given year.

You couldn't do that simply by looking at OPS (a much better evaluator tool than RBI), where Jeter easily beats A-Rod? Or did you ignore OPS because it doesn't help your argument?

You mention that a #2 hitter's job is to get on base, so why ignore Jeter's .438 OBP that year, 3rd in the AL?




Here's where I get you to flip flop on runs/RBI....Edgar Martinez had 86 RBI and 86 runs in 1999, wheras Brian Jordan by comparison had 100 runs and 115RBI. Let's hear you say Jordan had a better year offensively because of more RBI and runs....

If you can't reasonably say that Brian Jordan was better than Edgar in 1999, then by using the same logic you can't say A-Rod was better than Jeter in 1999.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Mariners fan logic, lol. No wonder that franchise hasn't made the playoffs since 2001.

No lie, but there was one M's fan on their board not too long ago trying to argue that it's better to hit a single with runners on than hit a home run because the home run kills the rally....

Must be something in the water...

 

[Omar 382]

No lie, but there was one M's fan on their board not too long ago trying to argue that it's better to hit a single with runners on than hit a home run because the home run kills the rally....

Must be something in the water...

Mike Schmidt literally says that nonsense all the time during Phillies' broadcasts.

 

[Chewbaccer]

You couldn't do that simply by looking at OPS (a much better evaluator tool than RBI), where Jeter easily beats A-Rod? Or did you ignore OPS because it doesn't help your argument?

You mention that a #2 hitter's job is to get on base, so why ignore Jeter's .438 OBP that year, 3rd in the AL?




Here's where I get you to flip flop on runs/RBI....Edgar Martinez had 86 RBI and 86 runs in 1999, wheras Brian Jordan by comparison had 100 runs and 115RBI. Let's hear you say Jordan had a better year offensively because of more RBI and runs....

If you can't reasonably say that Brian Jordan was better than Edgar in 1999, then by using the same logic you can't say A-Rod was better than Jeter in 1999.

I'd take Jordan simply because Jordan could play a position.

 

[navamind]

Feel free to find a post where I supported Jim Rice's induction. I'll wait.

Still waiting.

 

[soxfan1468927]

You couldn't do that simply by looking at OPS (a much better evaluator tool than RBI), where Jeter easily beats A-Rod? Or did you ignore OPS because it doesn't help your argument?

You mention that a #2 hitter's job is to get on base, so why ignore Jeter's .438 OBP that year, 3rd in the AL?




Here's where I get you to flip flop on runs/RBI....Edgar Martinez had 86 RBI and 86 runs in 1999, wheras Brian Jordan by comparison had 100 runs and 115RBI. Let's hear you say Jordan had a better year offensively because of more RBI and runs....

If you can't reasonably say that Brian Jordan was better than Edgar in 1999, then by using the same logic you can't say A-Rod was better than Jeter in 1999.

There is a 0% chance he responds to this.

 

[navamind]

I just love that a "Is Bartolo Colon a HOFer?" thread has almost 100 posts and only like 15 of them are actually about Bartolo Colon.

 

[calsnowskier]

I just love that a "Is Bartolo Colon a HOFer?" thread has almost 100 posts and only like 15 of them are actually about Bartolo Colon.

That will happen with a BS premise...