America's Team Hate and Smacktalk thread

[Kevin12773]

Are you sure they didn't chase them or was it those mentioned players had NO interest in playing in
D.C.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I kinda think this is the truer story.


"Now we'll see if the Redskins really have the resources to make Philadelphia look foolish. It's likely that Jackson picked Washington mainly because of the potential $24 million that came with his three-year deal ($16 million of which reportedly is guaranteed). It's even more probable that he didn't visit with any other teams because the Redskins offered him two opportunities a year at sticking it to Kelly. Revenge is a great motivating force. It can seduce the most practical of men into believing they're making wise choices.

The reality is that Jackson should've taken more time to investigate his options. He should've been more honest with himself about what went wrong in Philadelphia and how his own actions factored into it. If anything, Jackson should've paid attention to how little interest Reid displayed in wooing him to Kansas City. The Chiefs may not have had enough money to compete with Washington -- or the other eight teams that reportedly displayed interest in signing Jackson -- but it says plenty about Jackson's maturity that Reid didn't even get into the game.


If Jackson wanted money, he certainly got it. If he wanted to stay in the NFC East, then that wish came true as well. But if Jackson coveted stability, a chance to win and a place where he could make the most of his vast potential, then it's difficult to see the logic in his decision. That's because he's just joined an organization that has been a long-running joke in the league for a good reason. And as Jackson is about to find out, that's not about to change with his arrival"

dont know what the particulars of the contract is, but isnt 24 mil. over 3 yrs 8 mil a year avg. & wasnt his contract with the eagles 10.5 mil? So isnt this him taking less money?

 

[PDay8810]

dont know what the particulars of the contract is, but isnt 24 mil. over 3 yrs 8 mil a year avg. & wasnt his contract with the eagles 10.5 mil? So isnt this him taking less money?

do you think somebody was going over 10M?
here is another way you can look at it.

His contract was 10M next year with no guaranteed money. Now he has 16M in guaranteed money.

I always thought the guaranteed money was the objective.

 

[Manster7588]

considering that the 49'ers and Raiders both confirm that they contacted the LAPD who confirmed Jackson ties to the Crips, i still believe that Kelly didn't want that influence on his team. the redskins don't care

I don't know if he is a Crip or just simply has friends who are. I just don't think a team who won the division with Jackson being the #1 WR would release him if there is not more than just friendship ties. I find it laughable that many Skid fans are in complete denial about the possibility.

 

[Manster7588]

dont know what the particulars of the contract is, but isnt 24 mil. over 3 yrs 8 mil a year avg. & wasnt his contract with the eagles 10.5 mil? So isnt this him taking less money?

This is another reason I question what the Eagles know. He could cry all he wanted to, he was under contract. He either had to play for that or risk losing money on his next deal. I think something big is going to hit the news.

 

[Sharkinva]

This is another reason I question what the Eagles know. He could cry all he wanted to, he was under contract. He either had to play for that or risk losing money on his next deal. I think something big is going to hit the news.

So its your assumption that Jackson has got to have some kind of major skeleton in his closet. No chance what so ever that Kelly just didnt like him and chose to release him because he felt he could win without him. I just want to make sure Im reading that correctly. Because we all no one has ever been fired from a job simply because they didnt get along with the new boss. Nine teams were interested in him. After the Herandez thing, you really think nine different teams all missed something in the over due diligence?

 

[fordman84]

Hatcher - good player, good leader. Not worth those $'s (and isn't that what we are talking about?) in that scheme, but good player that can find a spot in any scheme. D Jax - bigger name than Decker, so I don't get the point. $16M in cash day one for a guy that people are still trying to figure out how deep his gang ties run and most teams seem to want no part of right now is a bad signing to me. RGIII seemed to start to be more concerned with RGIII than the team last year from my distant view. D Jax doesn't seem like he will be the best guy to have sitting next to him every day for the next 3 years.

Since the Redskins is a politically sensitive team name nowadays, I wonder if Desean and his buddies suggest changing the name to the BlueSkins...

Don't forget MeAngelo Hall sitting on the other side of MeSean Jackson.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

do you think somebody was going over 10M?
here is another way you can look at it.

His contract was 10M next year with no guaranteed money. Now he has 16M in guaranteed money.

I always thought the guaranteed money was the objective.

I didnt think he was worth 10 mil. to start with. I just know he was claiming he wasnt getting paid what he was worth already at 10.5 mil.
I guess maybe he plans on being hurt this year or something

or maybe his plan backfired. Dont really know what the man is thinking.

 

[fordman84]

So its your assumption that Jackson has got to have some kind of major skeleton in his closet. No chance what so ever that Kelly just didnt like him and chose to release him because he felt he could win without him. I just want to make sure Im reading that correctly. Because we all no one has ever been fired from a job simply because they didnt get along with the new boss. Nine teams were interested in him. After the Herandez thing, you really think nine different teams all missed something in the over due diligence?

Sources say 9 teams were interested. His agent said 9 teams were interested. Doesn't mean 9 teams wanted to sign him. Maybe 8 teams "were interested" in offering a one year incentive laden "make good" contract and nothing more.


I do find it hard to believe that you just fire your top producer because you don't get along with him.

 

[jarntt]

So its your assumption that Jackson has got to have some kind of major skeleton in his closet. No chance what so ever that Kelly just didnt like him and chose to release him because he felt he could win without him. I just want to make sure Im reading that correctly. Because we all no one has ever been fired from a job simply because they didnt get along with the new boss. Nine teams were interested in him. After the Herandez thing, you really think nine different teams all missed something in the over due diligence?

Well, out of curiousity what do you think it was? Is it your assumption that they got rid of a guy that put up the numbers he did last year simply because he "didnt get along with the new boss"? Does that make any sense when he fits Kelly's Offense better than any other, they obviously need WRs and they released him after all of the guys that could have replaced him were already signed? Especially since during the last few weeks he and the coach supposedly had spoken and Kelly supposedly told him "don't worry about anything and keep working hard and be ready for camp" and after the talk with Kelly D Jax tweeted: "Good to Talk to BIg Chip today !! Say or hear what ya want !! The Picture speaks for itself !! Winner…”

Some other interesting comments from people otehr than Kelly:
Kelce: "We just made an extremely unpopular decision, but I couldn't be more excited and happy with where this organization is going!!"

Unnamed Eagles (Yeah, I hate unnamed quotes too, but it's still valid): "Two Eagles players who requested anonymity said that Jackson wasn't a clubhouse cancer, but he had become a distraction. They would not offer specifics. Both questioned whether his loss would hurt the offense and opined that he wouldn't be difficult to replace."

 

[jarntt]

Don't forget MeAngelo Hall sitting on the other side of MeSean Jackson.

You forgot RGme

 

[tw1st3d]

I do find it hard to believe that you just fire your top producer because you don't get along with him.

Here's my thing on Jackson.....

I keep saying ... Kelly reminds me of Johnson.....

Johnson got rid of everyone on the Cowboys minus Irvin and Walker

And Walker didn't go until he demanded the offense go through him...... Jimmy made a POINT as well as the greatest trade ever because of it

Eagles got crap for Jackson

Walker was out of the league in a few years........ Jackson? I think so too.

There's a fine line with that EGO thing ... in the ultimate team sport

 

[Sharkinva]

Well, out of curiousity what do you think it was? Is it your assumption that they got rid of a guy that put up the numbers he did last year simply because he "didnt get along with the new boss"? Does that make any sense when he fits Kelly's Offense better than any other, they obviously need WRs and they released him after all of the guys that could have replaced him were already signed? Especially since during the last few weeks he and the coach supposedly had spoken and Kelly supposedly told him "don't worry about anything and keep working hard and be ready for camp" and after the talk with Kelly D Jax tweeted: "Good to Talk to BIg Chip today !! Say or hear what ya want !! The Picture speaks for itself !! Winner…”

Some other interesting comments from people otehr than Kelly:
Kelce: "We just made an extremely unpopular decision, but I couldn't be more excited and happy with where this organization is going!!"

Unnamed Eagles (Yeah, I hate unnamed quotes too, but it's still valid): "Two Eagles players who requested anonymity said that Jackson wasn't a clubhouse cancer, but he had become a distraction. They would not offer specifics. Both questioned whether his loss would hurt the offense and opined that he wouldn't be difficult to replace."

My take is Kelly wanted him gone. He tried to trade him first and when that failed he had to release him or risk him actually being a distraction.

The whole big skeleton in the closet thing doesnt compute. Because all these guys have language in their deal that says if you do something off field that reflects bad on the team or deprives of your services while under contract, the team has the right to go after bonus money already paid. So IF there was some big skeleton in the closet, the team would actually be better served holding him and going after the bonus money rather than release him, take the cap hit and risk him going to a division rival.

 

[tw1st3d]

My take is Kelly wanted him gone. He tried to trade him first and when that failed he had to release him or risk him actually being a distraction.

The whole big skeleton in the closet thing doesnt compute. Because all these guys have language in their deal that says if you do something off field that reflects bad on the team or deprives of your services while under contract, the team has the right to go after bonus money already paid. So IF there was some big skeleton in the closet, the team would actually be better served holding him and going after the bonus money rather than release him, take the cap hit and risk him going to a division rival.

You also realize the NFL can also take draft picks away or impose a fine on a team for drafting/taking a shot on a guy that has a history (of issues)

 

[Mitziman]

Sources say 9 teams were interested. His agent said 9 teams were interested. Doesn't mean 9 teams wanted to sign him. Maybe 8 teams "were interested" in offering a one year incentive laden "make good" contract and nothing more.


I do find it hard to believe that you just fire your top producer because you don't get along with him.

You find it hard to believe fordman? Some years ago, didn't Jerry fire his "top producer" Jimmy Johnson? Or was Jimmy released from his contract because he couldn't get along with Jerry?

Jerry called that bet, and lost. The way I see it the Redskins have pocket AA with this deal. Time will tell if the best hand holds.

 

[PDay8810]

You find it hard to believe fordman? Some years ago, didn't Jerry fire his "top producer" Jimmy Johnson? Or was Jimmy released from his contract because he couldn't get along with Jerry?

Jerry called that bet, and lost. The way I see it the Redskins have pocket AA with this deal. Time will tell if the best hand holds.

You really are this stupid

Long live Reptec!

 

[fordman84]

You find it hard to believe fordman? Some years ago, didn't Jerry fire his "top producer" Jimmy Johnson? Or was Jimmy released from his contract because he couldn't get along with Jerry?

Jerry called that bet, and lost. The way I see it the Redskins have pocket AA with this deal. Time will tell if the best hand holds.

I do find it hard to believe. So you think because Jerry did something, that must be what happens all the time?

 

[Sharkinva]

You also realize the NFL can also take draft picks away or impose a fine on a team for drafting/taking a shot on a guy that has a history (of issues)

Yep... but what history of issues does he have?? He has not been in any real trouble outside of team discipline once or twice. The closest thing they have is he happens to be friends with some less than boyscout types. I mean its not like he has been charged with slapping his mom or anything like that. So, we didnt over pay for him. He isnt coming back off of injury or anything like that. He is in the prime of his career, and he isnt a one year wonder. His team released him under some vague cloud of there were issues but we arent saying. Really not seeing the negative here.

 

[PDay8810]

My take is Kelly wanted him gone. He tried to trade him first and when that failed he had to release him or risk him actually being a distraction.

The whole big skeleton in the closet thing doesnt compute. Because all these guys have language in their deal that says if you do something off field that reflects bad on the team or deprives of your services while under contract, the team has the right to go after bonus money already paid. So IF there was some big skeleton in the closet, the team would actually be better served holding him and going after the bonus money rather than release him, take the cap hit and risk him going to a division rival.

only problem with this thinking is the eagles didn't have to do anything. There was no rush to trade this guy, the timing was not the standard. the standard was after the draft and in June. it was clear the eagles didn't want him around the team.

I find it funny how you people now see this guy as special when his resume is well known as a BIG TIME ME PLAYER. You guys were the same folks ripping Dallas for taking on owens years ago. good luck with all that, no need top explain anything here. This is different, cause it's the redskins.

 

[tw1st3d]

Yep... but what history of issues does he have?? He has not been in any real trouble outside of team discipline once or twice. The closest thing they have is he happens to be friends with some less than boyscout types. I mean its not like he has been charged with slapping his mom or anything like that. So, we didnt over pay for him. He isnt coming back off of injury or anything like that. He is in the prime of his career, and he isnt a one year wonder. His team released him under some vague cloud of there were issues but we arent saying. Really not seeing the negative here.

You honestly don't think the NFL is watching with a close eye on Jackson now? Just because it "was put out there"

After Hernandez ???? You better hope and PRAY it's not true ...... the league is gonna burn the Skins ass up again with a penalty. Now me .... I think NO ONE really wants to risk it ....

However ..... There has always been Al Davis's replacement in the making...... Dan Snyder ......

Good Luck with it........ GLAD HE IS ON YOUR TEAM AND NOT THE COWBOYS Atleast we got bodyguards on Dez