A.L. Central Smack Talk 2014

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Just another fantastic piece by Jeff Sullivan.

 

[broncosmitty]

When doesn't torii play every game? Lol.

He's higher on the depth chart than Davis you idiot.

Ummmm..... No.

Since Jackson got dealt, Davis is more important than Torii's old ass. (Hunter played three more games in the field than Davis.). Carerra and my boy DK don't need to be starting in center. Hunter isn't much of an outfielder anymore, never works a count and has slowed significantly.


IMO, Davis is more important than Torii.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Ummmm..... No.

Since Jackson got dealt, Davis is more important than Torii's old ass. (Hunter played three more games in the field than Davis.). Carerra and my boy DK don't need to be starting in center. Hunter isn't much of an outfielder anymore, never works a count and has slowed significantly.


IMO, Davis is more important than Torii.

The whole thing first off was Doug saying that the injury FORCES Hunter to play everyday. When that is a lie. Torii was going to play every game of this series regardless of what is going on with Davis. When Davis is healthy, tori is still playing lol.

Hunter bats second. He is hitting .291 for the year from the 2 hole. He has hit .364, .289 and .305 the last 3 months with 8 homers and 45 RBI.

Davis has hit .368(much fewer AB's), .259 and .268(when Jackson has been gone and regular PT) with 2 homers and 24 RBI.

Hunter also scores more runs and walks at a better rate so the whole doesn't work the count thing is moot.

Sure, Davis plays center field which is key but as the whole argument with Dumb Doug was..that doesn't affect Torii PT. And the numbers show that Hunter in the 2 hole before the big bats is mightily important.

 

[gvsulaker82]

classic??? royals had the winning run on 3rd at least 2x and FAILED to get him in.

that's classic???

Yes it was. If that was the tigers that won the game the way the royals did you would still be crowing how much heart the tigers have. The royals a's game was the best playoff game in a while. Any true fan of baseball would agree.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Davis is still a platoon player.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Doug, you really aren't going to go anywhere but look worse about saying ANYTHING about the Royals playoff game you just saw, accept it. It was a better than any meaningfull game you have ever seen in Tigers history, the team came back down 3 times in the game in a game 7 do or die game. I actually hope everyone's team's fans gets to expierence their team have a game so meaningfull and full of drama and everything you could imagine happen in the game....no bad calls, no easy errors deciding it...PURE BASEBALL at its finest.

You better just worry about Nick C, he didn't quite end up with as good as rookie year as Moustakas had, could be tough few years for the kid now.

You do realize now Hosmer in 1 post season game accomplished more than Fielder did in his entire Det post season career.

That Lefty, and 1st round pick in this years draft, is already worrying you and he hasn't even made a start yet. Don't hop on the guy already, in his short MLB career already, he has been a better RP than Detroit has seen in a long time.

Yes the royals game was awesome and I get how for royals fans you consider it extremely meaninful seeing as how they play in the playoffs once every 30 years but there were much more meaningful tigers games, as they actually have a playoff history of more than one game. That being said as I already mentioned the game was epic, but it was still one game man. We all know fielder sucked, but judging the royals players on one playoff game is quite the stretch.

 

[broncosmitty]

The whole thing first off was Doug saying that the injury FORCES Hunter to play everyday. When that is a lie. Torii was going to play every game of this series regardless of what is going on with Davis. When Davis is healthy, tori is still playing lol.

Hunter bats second. He is hitting .291 for the year from the 2 hole. He has hit .364, .289 and .305 the last 3 months with 8 homers and 45 RBI.

Davis has hit .368(much fewer AB's), .259 and .268(when Jackson has been gone and regular PT) with 2 homers and 24 RBI.

Hunter also scores more runs and walks at a better rate so the whole doesn't work the count thing is moot.

Sure, Davis plays center field which is key but as the whole argument with Dumb Doug was..that doesn't affect Torii PT. And the numbers show that Hunter in the 2 hole before the big bats is mightily important.

Hunter does not walk at a better rate. And I could care less what how many RBI a leadoff hitter has. When you argue with Doug, just to feel better about yourself, it gets old.

 

[Howie115]

You better just worry about Nick C, he didn't quite end up with as good as rookie year as Moustakas had, could be tough few years for the kid now.

Ehh, the difference is marginal. I assume you're not counting Moose's first year when he had 365 PA, though that was the year he was 22, same age Nick is now.

Moose's first full season (age 23): 614 PA, 34 doubles, 1 triple, 20 HR, 73 RBI, .242 BA, .296 OBP, .708 OPS

Nick C's first full season (age 22): 579 PA, 31 doubles, 4 triples, 11 HR, 66 RBI, .259 BA, .306 OBP, .700 OPS

Unless you put a premium on home runs, then the seasons aren't that far apart. And lets hope Nick's career doesn't go the way Moose's has the last two seasons (.233/12/42 and .212/15/54).

 

[Howie115]

Hunter also scores more runs and walks at a better rate so the whole doesn't work the count thing is moot.

Torii had all of 1 more walk than Davis, but in almost 100 more plate appearances, so he does not walk at a higher rate. 22 walks in 494 PA for Davis, 23 walks in 586 PA for Hunter. Suffice to say, neither guy lights it up in terms of OBP. Alex Avila had a higher OBP than either, even with his crummy .218 BA (.327 OBP). Hunter had a .319 OBP and Davis .320, and both had batting averages in the .280's.

Torii scored 71 runs to Davis' 64, again with considerably more playing time for Hunter. Plus, Hunter hit in front of the big boppers and Davis hit in the 9-hole a lot.

Davis is still a platoon player.

I'd agree. In 2014, Davis hit lefties at a .356 clip, and righties at only .247. Career splits are .304 and .254. That screams platoon.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Hunter does not walk at a better rate. And I could care less what how many RBI a leadoff hitter has. When you argue with Doug, just to feel better about yourself, it gets old.

Wow. First it wasn't even an argument with Doug. It was pointing out as usual that he just spews nonsense about even his own team. And now it is becoming clear that even you don't know what you are talking about.

As I said originally. RAJAI DAVIS HAS NO EFFECT ON TORII HUNTERS PLAYING TIME. That is all I said. Torii will play every game in the playoffs regardless if Davis is hurt or not.

But for some reason you tried to defend Doug(just a stupid personal decision) and said that Davis has actually played better(again wouldn't matter anyways based off what my orginal argument was).

Since July(you know the stats I drew from when Davis started playing more)....He walked once every 23.6 ABs. Torii was every 19.6. Davis walked 1 fucking time in September.

Btw...he doesn't bat leadoff so IDK where the shit that became relevant.

As other's have said. Davis is more of a platoon guy. Torii is an EVERYDAY player. That is all this was supposed to be about.

When you argue just for the sake of arguing, it gets old.

 

[Howie115]

Since July(you know the stats I drew from when Davis started playing more)....He walked once every 23.6 ABs. Torii was every 19.6. Davis walked 1 fucking time in September.

Btw...he doesn't bat leadoff so IDK where the shit that became relevant.

I think as Tiger fans, we've seen Torii come up with men on base and swing at the first pitch so damn much, it drives us bonkers -- to the point where we don't realize that Rajai doesn't work the count a whole lot better.

 

[Howie115]

Well, the Tigers went down to the wire in deciding their ALDS roster, and Rajai IS on it.

Starting pitchers (4): Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, David Price, Rick Porcello.
Relief pitchers (7): Joe Nathan, Joba Chamberlain, Joakim Soria, Anibal Sanchez, Al Alburquerque, Phil Coke, Kyle Lobstein.
Catchers (2): Alex Avila, Bryan Holaday.
Designated hitter (1): Victor Martinez.
Outfielders (5): Rajai Davis, Torii Hunter, J.D. Martinez, Don Kelly, Ezequiel Carrera.
Infielders (6): Miguel Cabrera, Ian Kinsler, Nick Castellanos, Andrew Romine, Eugenio Suarez, Hernan Perez

Hernan Perez is a head-scratcher. Don't need 6 infielders with Don Kelly in the fold. I think I would have brought along one more pitcher.

 

[broncosmitty]

Wow. First it wasn't even an argument with Doug. It was pointing out as usual that he just spews nonsense about even his own team. And now it is becoming clear that even you don't know what you are talking about.

As I said originally. RAJAI DAVIS HAS NO EFFECT ON TORII HUNTERS PLAYING TIME. That is all I said. Torii will play every game in the playoffs regardless if Davis is hurt or not.

But for some reason you tried to defend Doug(just a stupid personal decision) and said that Davis has actually played better(again wouldn't matter anyways based off what my orginal argument was).

Since July(you know the stats I drew from when Davis started playing more)....He walked once every 23.6 ABs. Torii was every 19.6. Davis walked 1 fucking time in September.

Btw...he doesn't bat leadoff so IDK where the shit that became relevant.

As other's have said. Davis is more of a platoon guy. Torii is an EVERYDAY player. That is all this was supposed to be about.

When you argue just for the sake of arguing, it gets old.

Your everyday player was in the field more than the platoon guy by four games. If The Butcher was a good right fielder or could still play center he might have some value. Im more than ready for him to go out to pasture. The beer league softball approach in the outfield needs to stop.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Your everyday player was in the field more than the platoon guy by four games. If The Butcher was a good right fielder or could still play center he might have some value. Im more than ready for him to go out to pasture. The beer league softball approach in the outfield needs to stop.

Yahoo has Torii as playing 9 more games with Davis getting the bulk of his STARTS once Jackson was gone.

For now the third time though, that is irrelevant.

True or false regardless of injury to Davis..Torii Hunter is the Detroit Tigers starting Right fielder? True or False, Rajai Davis doesn't even play right field?

Because that is all I said to Dumb Doug initially.

 

[Howie115]

Yahoo has Torii as playing 9 more games with Davis getting the bulk of his STARTS once Jackson was gone.

For now the third time though, that is irrelevant.

True or false regardless of injury to Davis..Torii Hunter is the Detroit Tigers starting Right fielder? True or False, Rajai Davis doesn't even play right field?

Because that is all I said to Dumb Doug initially.

Does a healthy Davis affect Hunter's playing time? No. That's 100% true.

Are the Tigers a better team with a healthy Rajai Davis? Absolutely. His speed can be a game-changer.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

I think as Tiger fans, we've seen Torii come up with men on base and swing at the first pitch so damn much, it drives us bonkers -- to the point where we don't realize that Rajai doesn't work the count a whole lot better.

That's a good point too but Torii is a better hitter early in counts so I think it is something you have to live with.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Does a healthy Davis affect Hunter's playing time? No. That's 100% true.

Are the Tigers a better team with a healthy Rajai Davis? Absolutely. His speed can be a game-changer.

Completely agree with that. Somehow the usual prove dougs incoherent rambles wrong..turned into a Davis vs Hunter. When it shouldn't be.

Davis(assuming his package is good to go) is a big time threat a piece to the lineup especially considering how bad his back up is.

Doug said his injury forces Hunter to play everyday. When it is irrelevant to Hunter playing every game this post season. Should have ended there lol.

 

[Howie115]

Doug said his injury forces Hunter to play everyday. When it is irrelevant to Hunter playing every game this post season.

I can't argue with that.

 

[da55bums]

Yes the royals game was awesome and I get how for royals fans you consider it extremely meaninful seeing as how they play in the playoffs once every 30 years but there were much more meaningful tigers games, as they actually have a playoff history of more than one game. That being said as I already mentioned the game was epic, but it was still one game man. We all know fielder sucked, but judging the royals players on one playoff game is quite the stretch.

...your more of a Royals hater, or just a hater of me, than a fan of baseball.

It was a do or die 1 game, not just 1 game out of 162 or a 5 or 7 game series. If you need help understanding that, your view of baseball games is quite askew.

since 1969, Royals vs Tigers....almost IDENTICAL playoff history, if you want to talk HISTORY including both teams, not your definition of History-"hey last 6 years"

Royals WS games weren't as incredible as this game, any of their past playoff games were not like this game...and any of the tigers or ANY TEAM of the league including my Dodgers as well....if you look at this game as an ACTUAL BASEBALL FAN and not a fan of one specific team...it had everything...without any "umps" deciding it, without any "errors" deciding it...as pure baseball game as you will ever see. The "Pine Tar" game was dramatic but not for the pure game. Game 6 of the 85 series was a comeback but ump error played a major role.

Please feel free to list ANY TEAM and the game that saw a team come back from behind 3 times in any actual do or die game not impacted by a billy buckner moment or ump call.....and when you can't name especially any Tigers game in their, entire history even before the Royals came into the league. Go to bashing this game with stupid nonsense.

I still think Toronto's Joe Carter's game 7 walk off HR in the WS was the best comeback game I have ever saw, and still sorta is but they came back only once in the game.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

...your more of a Royals hater, or just a hater of me, than a fan of baseball.

It was a do or die 1 game, not just 1 game out of 162 or a 5 or 7 game series. If you need help understanding that, your view of baseball games is quite askew.

since 1969, Royals vs Tigers....almost IDENTICAL playoff history, if you want to talk HISTORY including both teams, not your definition of History-"hey last 6 years"

Royals WS games weren't as incredible as this game, any of their past playoff games were not like this game...and any of the tigers or ANY TEAM of the league including my Dodgers as well....if you look at this game as an ACTUAL BASEBALL FAN and not a fan of one specific team...it had everything...without any "umps" deciding it, without any "errors" deciding it...as pure baseball game as you will ever see. The "Pine Tar" game was dramatic but not for the pure game. Game 6 of the 85 series was a comeback but ump error played a major role.

Please feel free to list ANY TEAM and the game that saw a team come back from behind 3 times in any actual do or die game not impacted by a billy buckner moment or ump call.....and when you can't name especially any Tigers game in their, entire history even before the Royals came into the league. Go to bashing this game with stupid nonsense.

I still think Toronto's Joe Carter's game 7 walk off HR in the WS was the best comeback game I have ever saw, and still sorta is but they came back only once in the game.

I think you are getting a little dramatic here but it was an amazing game and I can only imagine how awesome it would be to be at that game. I've been to some Twins playoff games and most recently Wild so I know how great any atmosphere can be much less one with that great comeback.

As I said while me, Nos, Bronco and Gandy were hear watching the game. This game was a lot like the Twins/Tigers 09 game. Sadly I wasn't at that game but the bar atmosphere was almost just as good insane. That game was also a true roller coaster(sadly, some umpiring eventually came into play lol).

You seem to be getting a little defensive though. Enjoy the win and the fact you were actually able to be there live because I loved it just watching on tv as division rival fan.

I think every fan has their own interpretation of a huge game and moment for them. It wasn't do or die but Magglio's 06 walk off was probably a pretty special moment for tigers fans for example.