Series Thread: 2nd Round: Cleveland Cavs vs Toronto Raptors

[TurnUpTheHeat]

dude...heat are light years behind those other 3 teams

I think most reasonable people would disagree.

 

[LAD]

Lowrie to the Spurs?

I actually think that would be a better fit for him - serving as more of a role player.

 

[LAD]

No.

I thought would be tougher.

But, them coming out of the East was never in doubt.

I thought it would've been tougher as the #1 seed. When they lost & became the #2 it immediately became clear that was the easier path for them.

 

[LAD]

has the Cavs defense been an issue this postseason Mecca?

just asking for a friend.

Um, I'm going to say yes it has.

If not, then why were they trailing the Pacers by 20+ points in one of those games? They were also down by double digits to the Raps in game 4. Even the best teams can get behind in games when THEY'RE NOT PLAYING DEFENSE.

What has worked in their favor is the teams they've been playing don't have the ability to sustain those leads.

 

[LAD]

I have no issue with anyone saying the Cavs have a bad defense, will make the finals, and lose to the Warriors.

What gets me is the hype of the Cavs struggles going into a series... and then the lack of credit for their performance after a series.

"Everyone knew they would get out of the East" sorta feels like a cop out. A way to avoid giving credit.

I hear ya, but it goes both ways. Your fellow Cavs fan Wiggy can't constantly tell us the Cavs are the next best thing to sliced bread but then won't bet on them to win it all.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

Nobody thought Indiana was going to be remotely competitive.
The pacers suck and were playing awful. The majority picked either a sweep or 5 games tops.

Toronto without their best player is a likely lottery team. Cleveland caught a break.
Some liked the Raptors to win a few games at home, but not without Lowry.

Western also-rans OKC, Memphis, and the Clippers would be 8-0 or 8-1 as well versus those teams.
It is not Cleveland's fault nor should they lose a moments sleep for playing the easiest schedule in decades.

They should be 8-0 honestly with those tomato can opponents.

Draymond Green is a dick.
But, he does have a point about how easy the Cavs pathway is so far.

 

[LAD]

i never said anyone said they wouldnt make the finals

i said people like you thought the regular season was an actual indicator that there defense was poor- and that has proven to be a big pile of stinking bird shit.

you were wrong... the Cavs flipped the switch

all it took was getting healthy and getting some practice

just like i said

8-0

gnight - thanks for playing, try again tomorrow

Not exactly, their defense DOES stink like a pile of stinking bird $hit. As I mentioned before, they just haven't played a team that will not only expose that but take advantage of it too.

 

[bksballer89]

Nobody thought Indiana was going to be remotely competitive.
The pacers suck and were playing awful. The majority picked either a sweep or 5 games tops.

Toronto without their best player is a likely lottery team. Cleveland caught a break.
Some liked the Raptors to win a few games at home, but not without Lowry.

Western also-rans OKC, Memphis, and the Clippers would be 8-0 or 8-1 as well versus those teams.
It is not Cleveland's fault nor should they lose a moments sleep for playing the easiest schedule in decades.

They should be 8-0 honestly with those tomato can opponents.

Draymond Green is a dick.
But, he does have a point about how easy the Cavs pathway is so far.

Would you like Lowry on the Spurs?

 

[larryjohn]

8-0

The Warriors are one of the Best teams ever.
The Eastern conference sucks.

 

[Mecca]

Um, I'm going to say yes it has.

If not, then why were they trailing the Pacers by 20+ points in one of those games? They were also down by double digits to the Raps in game 4. Even the best teams can get behind in games when THEY'RE NOT PLAYING DEFENSE.

What has worked in their favor is the teams they've been playing don't have the ability to sustain those leads.

Very valid point.

Retort, Cavs fans?

 

[Mecca]

Would you like Lowry on the Spurs?

Shit...


That's tough.

I think Lowry, JJ Redick and George Hill cost themselves some money this Postseason.

I would probably rather Hill, if healthy.

Depends on the price tag.

Cp3, Hill, Lowry, Holiday, Teague.....in that order.

I used to think Rondo would be a good fit if they had another shooter.

Pop would kill him.

 

[larryjohn]

Shit...
That's tough.
I think Lowry, JJ Redick and George Hill cost themselves some money this Postseason.
I would probably rather Hill, if healthy.
Depends on the price tag.
Cp3, Hill, Lowry, Holiday, Teague.....in that order.
I used to think Rondo would be a good fit if they had another shooter.
Pop would kill him.

Pop does love Hill. Hated to trade him to get Leonard.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

Would you like Lowry on the Spurs?

Nah...
He is too expensive for the assets and dollars to acquire him..

i dont really want to give up Aldridge, Mills, Ginobili, Parker, and likely Dedmon to sign an A level free agent.
Maybe for CP3...maybe...but even then it would be expensive as fuck.

The Spurs have room for a B+ guy, but they need to dump a bunch of guys for an A level salary cost.

I would just as soon as stick with Mills and Murray on the cheap.
Murray can be Tony Parker 2.0. He has a lot of upside, but he is a scrawny 19 year old and very very raw.

The Spurs will make a run at Derrick Rose for one vet exception year, and let Murray continue to develop.

 

[Mecca]

Nah...
He is too expensive for the assets and dollars to acquire him..

i dont really want to give up Aldridge, Mills, Ginobili, Parker, and likely Dedmon to sign an A level free agent.
Maybe for CP3...maybe...but even then it would be expensive as fuck.

The Spurs have room for a B+ guy, but they need to dump a bunch of guys for an A level salary cost.

I would just as soon as stick with Mills and Murray on the cheap.
Murray can be Tony Parker 2.0. He has a lot of upside, but he is a scrawny 19 year old and very very raw.

The Spurs will make a run at Derrick Rose for one vet exception year, and let Murray continue to develop.

Rose?

Lmfao.....why?

He can't shoot and is chronically broken.

What would be bring to a Championship level Team?

 

[Mecca]

Pop does love Hill. Hated to trade him to get Leonard.

Yup.

I think Hill is the linchpin in Utah.

If he bolts, Does Hayward still view them as on the cusp of contending?

Ditto for Favors.

I would love for Paul to go somewhere he could win and the Spurs would be a good match.

But, I have believed all year that Hill would return to the Spurs as soon as the Jazz failed to lock him up by the deadline.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Nobody thought Indiana was going to be remotely competitive.
The pacers suck and were playing awful. The majority picked either a sweep or 5 games tops.

Toronto without their best player is a likely lottery team. Cleveland caught a break.
Some liked the Raptors to win a few games at home, but not without Lowry.

Western also-rans OKC, Memphis, and the Clippers would be 8-0 or 8-1 as well versus those teams.
It is not Cleveland's fault nor should they lose a moments sleep for playing the easiest schedule in decades.

They should be 8-0 honestly with those tomato can opponents.

Draymond Green is a dick.
But, he does have a point about how easy the Cavs pathway is so far.

The Cavs blew them out when he was playing, it wouldnt have mattered

 

[Shanemansj13]

Draymond just got facialized. Damn

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

The Cavs blew them out when he was playing, it wouldnt have mattered

2016
Cavs win by 31
Cavs win by 19
Toronto won the next two games with Lowry.

2017
Cavs win by 11
Cavs win by 22
Toronto lost the next two games without Lowry.


I am not saying the Raptors win the series, but I think they win at least one game in Canada with Lowry.

 

[trojanfan12]

Beasley tore up China though.

The Beast of Beijing.

 

[bksballer89]

2016
Cavs win by 31
Cavs win by 19
Toronto won the next two games with Lowry.

2017
Cavs win by 11
Cavs win by 22
Toronto lost the next two games without Lowry.


I am not saying the Raptors win the series, but I think they win at least one game in Canada with Lowry.

Same. Most had Cleveland in 5. Just don't see them getting swept with a healthy Lowry