2025 season thread

[Sharkonabicycle]

he was on the radio saying he likes the guys they have again.

I mean Lucas, Olu, Haynes... OKAY... but we don't have a guy at left guard... lmao.

That said:

Lucas if he's looking healthy is fine (they know better than we do) although you gotta draft someone as a backup for him or Cross.
Haynes played ZBS wide since he was a sperm. Zero reason he should not start in Kubiak's system.
Olu did OKAY last year. He was slightly above average. He isn't really a fit for zone blocking, but he can learn.
Cross is borderline elite. Pro bowl snub. He'll be expensive next offseason.

Frankly the OL free agency just wasn't that good. And Thuney clearly wanted to play in Chicago and was traded so what are ya gonna do? While Seattle should make moves to improve their OL... the moves just weren't that good this year. It all kind of said it when Fries got nearly $17M per, coming off an injury, with a handful of good games, and wasn't even medically examined. I get teams are DESPERATE for OL talent (not just Seattle, Minnys line was NOT that good last year after Darrisaw went out) but overpaying just for the sake of saying "We paid big for someone" is stupid FO management.

Schneider was smart to get an extra 2nd and 3rd, replace it with basically the same production for cheaper... and seek it in the draft. We have very little needs at EDGE now, can flex on WR a bit.. we need IOL/DL (nose tackle namely) basically.. and this draft is actually fairly deep at both.

 

[MrS]

Right its deep so expect OL to wait until round 3

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Right its deep so expect OL to wait until round 3

I mean I'm hoping for Donovan Jackson in the early 2nd (trade down or trade back).. he'd be a perfect fit for Kubiak's system and could be an immediate starter at LG..

You're probably right @MrS .. we'll probably draft a safety than WR with our first two picks...

 

[HaroldSeattle]

he was on the radio saying he likes the guys they have again.

Yeah he went through the list and said something good about all the IOL (left out OLU though) and he was especially high on Bradford.

Right its deep so expect OL to wait until round 3

Drop a remark about how fans expect the Seahawks to reach for needs and he wasn't doing that. He's putting it all on the coaching to turn his turds into all pro's. I actually like a lot of what he's been doing except when it comes to OL. Moving players that want more then they are worth is good, getting younger at QB makes sense to me. @Sharkonabicycle is right that the free agency period really didn't have great solutions (although the Seahawks seemed asleep at the wheel on Thuney, who could of been the one single thing that could of been a fix for the OL). It's starting to look like JS is going to wait on OL in the draft again, but maybe he just doesn't want to give away his REAL intentions. The wait on the draft is going to be tough. 5 weeks until it is here.

 

[Anointed One]

I mean Lucas, Olu, Haynes... OKAY... but we don't have a guy at left guard... lmao.

That said:

Lucas if he's looking healthy is fine (they know better than we do) although you gotta draft someone as a backup for him or Cross.
Haynes played ZBS wide since he was a sperm. Zero reason he should not start in Kubiak's system.
Olu did OKAY last year. He was slightly above average. He isn't really a fit for zone blocking, but he can learn.
Cross is borderline elite. Pro bowl snub. He'll be expensive next offseason.

Frankly the OL free agency just wasn't that good. And Thuney clearly wanted to play in Chicago and was traded so what are ya gonna do? While Seattle should make moves to improve their OL... the moves just weren't that good this year. It all kind of said it when Fries got nearly $17M per, coming off an injury, with a handful of good games, and wasn't even medically examined. I get teams are DESPERATE for OL talent (not just Seattle, Minnys line was NOT that good last year after Darrisaw went out) but overpaying just for the sake of saying "We paid big for someone" is stupid FO management.

Schneider was smart to get an extra 2nd and 3rd, replace it with basically the same production for cheaper... and seek it in the draft. We have very little needs at EDGE now, can flex on WR a bit.. we need IOL/DL (nose tackle namely) basically.. and this draft is actually fairly deep at both.

I feel like we’re in trouble if we’re content with Olu

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I feel like we’re in trouble if we’re content with Olu

I would agree.... he's not a zone blocking center... but it's what we have to work with if we have to draft a left guard... we might just be stuck. Course if you have Haynes and someone like Jackson (two excellent zone blocking guards) maybe Olu can figure it out.

 

[flyerhawk]

I feel like we’re in trouble if we’re content with Olu

At least he's a name to put to the position.

Who's the left guard, arguably the 2nd most position on the line?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

At least he's a name to put to the position.

Who's the left guard, arguably the 2nd most position on the line?

Maybe the plan is to move one of Sundell, Haynes. Bradford or Laumea to LG and use the draft to add to the group.

 

[flyerhawk]

Maybe the plan is to move one of Sundell, Haynes. Bradford or Laumea to LG and use the draft to add to the group.

No way Bradford or Haynes could play LG. They are way too slow. Maybe Laumea or Sundell but that is a lot of hope and prayers.

I had really hoped that Schneider had learned his lesson last year but clearly he did not. Still more "I know better than the league and can find diamonds in the rough" despite the fact that they haven't drafted a Pro Bowl OL since I think since Okung

 

[flyerhawk]

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Nwosu was an A+ restructure. Only $9M this year, and if we move on in 2026 (if he can't get healthy) he's only $8.5M dead cap which is not the end of the world. A post June cut spreads that over 2 years as well. $4.25M dead cap in 2026/27 is nothing. We're gonna have so much fuckin' cap in 2026 it's gonna be nuts... IF we keep Darnold, his hit is only $26M lol.

 

[flyerhawk]

Nwosu was an A+ restructure. Only $9M this year, and if we move on in 2026 (if he can't get healthy) he's only $8.5M dead cap which is not the end of the world. A post June cut spreads that over 2 years as well. $4.25M dead cap in 2026/27 is nothing. We're gonna have so much fuckin' cap in 2026 it's gonna be nuts... IF we keep Darnold, his hit is only $26M lol.

JS has done GREAT work restructuring our cap space. Truly masterful work. If only he understood the importance of the interior OL.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

JS has done GREAT work restructuring our cap space. Truly masterful work. If only he understood the importance of the interior OL.

Well, we'll see in the draft. Apparently they wanted Fries but Minnesota overpaid and didn't even give him a physical lol. This wasn't a really great free agency for IOL. And Thuney just wanted to go to Chicago end of day...

If we go like S, WR, CB, TE with our first 4 picks... then yah, I'll be fairly annoyed.

Should be BPA #1, trade up in the 2nd to take Donovan Jackson (perfect left guard ZBS fit), and then take a WR/NT. There's some good nose tackles in this draft that will prob. require a 3rd. And we need to get Murphy out of playing NT non-stop.

I mean if we did that.. you've got a top 10 OT, a 2nd round guard, a 3rd round guard (Haynes should be starting), a 3rd round right tackle... you can't argue that John has IGNORED the OL... I do agree we need to start developing some of these guys.

 

[flyerhawk]

Well, we'll see in the draft. Apparently they wanted Fries but Minnesota overpaid and didn't even give him a physical lol. This wasn't a really great free agency for IOL. And Thuney just wanted to go to Chicago end of day...

If we go like S, WR, CB, TE with our first 4 picks... then yah, I'll be fairly annoyed.

Should be BPA #1, trade up in the 2nd to take Donovan Jackson (perfect left guard ZBS fit), and then take a WR/NT. There's some good nose tackles in this draft that will prob. require a 3rd. And we need to get Murphy out of playing NT non-stop.

I mean if we did that.. you've got a top 10 OT, a 2nd round guard, a 3rd round guard (Haynes should be starting), a 3rd round right tackle... you can't argue that John has IGNORED the OL... I do agree we need to start developing some of these guys.

What is frustrating to me is that our OL was clearly our biggest problem last year and it is now worse than it was last year

 

[HaroldSeattle]

What is frustrating to me is that our OL was clearly our biggest problem last year and it is now worse than it was last year

I agree but to be fair the defense needed help also as in 2023 the defense stunk. JS and Macdonald really upgraded the defense in 2024. The frustrating part is JS seems to be pretty chill about the state of the OL, but guess it makes no sense to act desperate prior to the draft. The suspense of not knowing if JS will address the OL early or wait because he feels there is lots of depth and he hates drafting IOL early, is so hard for us fans.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

What is frustrating to me is that our OL was clearly our biggest problem last year and it is now worse than it was last year

It's worse? I'd say it's probably the same lol.

Connor retired mid season and was terrible in general. Tomlinson wasn't any good... Haynes at least has another year. Lucas will at least start the season... and at least we have a coach now dedicated to running the ball and playaction and not a stupid no huddle system and calling shotgun 24/7.

Geno's most successful year (his AP CPOY and when he got an MVP vote) was running playaction the most in his time with Seattle. He's declined in rating/production every year which has been consistent with % running playaction.

I'd say if we go into the draft with a hole at LG that prob. means we're drafting a LG fairly high to start... and that is an improvement over Tomlinson frankly. And at least we have Haynes who was a ZBS blocker with the Huskies... so at least that fits what Kubiak wants to do. Kupp is also a far better blocker than DK or Lockett... helps a bit.

 

[Screamin12th]

Yeah we got a QB that can actually use the Play Action pass. This will help in many ways. It will suck the linebackers up and slow down the pass rush. Last season Teams flat out just pass rushed full go all the time... why? Because when you throw the ball 90% of the time that means the defense wins on the play call 90% of the time so thats 100% the way to play defense against Seattle last year. Geno had 679 yards passing from PA set. Darnold had 1600 yards.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Yeah we got a QB that can actually use the Play Action pass. This will help in many ways. It will suck the linebackers up and slow down the pass rush. Last season Teams flat out just pass rushed full go all the time... why? Because when you throw the ball 90% of the time that means the defense wins on the play call 90% of the time so thats 100% the way to play defense against Seattle last year. Geno had 679 yards passing from PA set. Darnold had 1600 yards.

I mean Geno could too. His first year with Seattle we did playaction about 140 times. Darnold was about 160 times last year if I recall... and then last year Geno did playaction 80 times, which is insane given how much we passed... lol.

Again, I don't care what QB or OL we had... nobody was succeeding with Grubb's system. I 100% believe the rumor that Mac was ready to fire him mid season. Colossal bust in hindsight.

 

[Screamin12th]

I mean Geno could too. His first year with Seattle we did playaction about 140 times. Darnold was about 160 times last year if I recall... and then last year Geno did playaction 80 times, which is insane given how much we passed... lol.

Again, I don't care what QB or OL we had... nobody was succeeding with Grubb's system. I 100% believe the rumor that Mac was ready to fire him mid season. Colossal bust in hindsight.

you have to look at the success and production in those attempts. Geno's production declined sharply when working from under center. Most QB's see a boost in YPA Geno saw a massive reduction. He can not work from under center and that lead to them being in shotgun all the time. Which in turn lead to a poor running game and allowed teams to just tee off on the pass rush. Out of all the QB's in the NFL with over 200 attempts Sam Danorld was #1 in PA attempts with also a increased YPA by 30%. Geno was a -12%.


Nice little tool to mess with. Play Action Passing Stats For Every NFL QB

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

you have to look at the success and production in those attempts. Geno's production declined sharply when working from under center. Most QB's see a boost in YPA Geno saw a massive reduction. He can not work from under center and that lead to them being in shotgun all the time. Which in turn lead to a poor running game and allowed teams to just tee off on the pass rush. Out of all the QB's in the NFL with over 200 attempts Sam Danorld was #1 in PA attempts with also a increased YPA by 30%. Geno was a -12%.


Nice little tool to mess with. Play Action Passing Stats For Every NFL QB

I think you missed what I was saying. In 2022 (his best year with Seattle) he ran playaction successfully quite a bit. With your same link he was just fine.

He was shit in playaction in 2024 because probably every defense was like, "lol so Seattle is probably passing.. and their run game is vanilla as fuck and we really don't need to worry about that anyway."