2025 Patriots Draft

[cdumler7]

Thanks for the info. I agree with almost all of it. I have Campbell over Membou but if it came down to trading down and I missed out on one and got the other, I'd be ok with that

As for the defensive schemes, I can see it both ways. A great RB forces a team to stack the box. Diggs if he's 80% of what he was will dictate coverage already. If they can't protect Maye, another WR taking the top off the D won't matter that much. I'd see a lot of long incomplete passes. Looking at a McDaniels style offense I think NE would be better off with a lot of two TE sets and a solid run game. I hope they take an actual FB as well. Nothing against Tet but NE hasn't had much success drafting WRs. This is a good WR class so they could potentially find a serviceable speedy tall WR later. I'm still holding out hope that Polk can keep his mouth shut and develop into a decent WR for the Pats.

And my board isn’t team specific. I should mention that. I really like McMillan a lot but for the Pats I would agree OT is probably more valuable at this point.

 

[YankeeRebel]

So Jeanty is my #3 player on my personal big board. Carter at the top with Hunter at #2. Part of that is there just are not a ton of blue chip players in this draft. Graham is close but his short arms hurt him like they do Campbell in overall grade. Limits their length so makes their job a little harder. Graham is #4 for me though and then Tet is #5.

My comment towards WR and your 8-10 touches. I would say they impact the game more than that. They dictate how a team has to scheme you up. If that receiver proves to be a great option then you see coverages have to be moved their way. That means others are left in more advantageous spots. It also means in the run game teams can't go to Cover-1 looks as often giving the running game lighter boxes to work with.

The others mentioned for grades I have Warren at #11 on my big board and Loveland at #14. I'm a little nervous about that injury. Talked to one person in the NFL that said there is talk of him needing another couple of surgeries to repair his shoulder.

The tackles you mentioned I have Membou at #6 on my board and the highest tackle in the class. Campbell is at #9. Banks is at #24. Simmons is at #20

Thanks for the info. I agree with almost all of it. I have Campbell over Membou but if it came down to trading down and I missed out on one and got the other, I'd be ok with that

As for the defensive schemes, I can see it both ways. A great RB forces a team to stack the box. Diggs if he's 80% of what he was will dictate coverage already. If they can't protect Maye, another WR taking the top off the D won't matter that much. I'd see a lot of long incomplete passes. Looking at a McDaniels style offense I think NE would be better off with a lot of two TE sets and a solid run game. I hope they take an actual FB as well. Nothing against Tet but NE hasn't had much success drafting WRs. This is a good WR class so they could potentially find a serviceable speedy tall WR later. I'm still holding out hope that Polk can keep his mouth shut and develop into a decent WR for the Pats.

Membou never played LT and there is no indication he can make the switch. Why would we take if Campbell is off the board when both Banks and Simmons are proven at the position?

 

[YankeeRebel]

My Final Wing and Prayer Mock Draft

Good Luck to all tomorrow I hope at least a few of the players you hope will help this team get selected. In the end I really hope the Pats look at this draft as a rebuild and think about next year

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Membou never played LT and there is no indication he can make the switch. Why would we take if Campbell is off the board when both Banks and Simmons are proven at the position?

IMO the T position is one of the hardest to evaluate. In reality none of them are "proven". All seem to have a ? That's one of the reasons I was so hopeful NE takes one of the "projected" skill players 1st and then try and get one of the other Ts even if it meant trading back up. I'm very curious to see where guys like Trapilo and Ersery go.

 

[YankeeRebel]

IMO the T position is one of the hardest to evaluate. In reality none of them are "proven". All seem to have a ? That's one of the reasons I was so hopeful NE takes one of the "projected" skill players 1st and then try and get one of the other Ts even if it meant trading back up. I'm very curious to see where guys like Trapilo and Ersery go.

Yeah I have a genuine interest in Ersery more so than Trapilo. In the end evaluations are best guesses there are no guarentees you select and hope for the best.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Year 1 = $8M $7M
Year 2 = $10M $8.7M
Year 3 = $12M $10.5M
Year 4 = $14M $12.2M

Derrick Henry signed a 3 year $24M contract before the start of 2024. Only two RB make over $14M a year. Saquan Barkley and Christian McCaffrey.

Only five positions will give value for being drafted at #4. QB, WR, LT, Edge and CB

I didn't know this about the mandatory price tags on the first round draft positions. It's being discussed in detail on Felger & Mazz on NBC Sports Boston.

Basically, they are anti-Jeanty because of the cost for a rookie RB vs the Derrick Henry contract and other RB contracts. Gotta side with them when you think about that contract. Give me a LT or WR (Golden??)

I didn't know that. Hmm. The numbers they spit out were embellished but I get the point.

NFL Rookie Scales

A look at the rookie scales for each year of the NFL.

www.spotrac.com

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Yeah I have a genuine interest in Ersery more so than Trapilo. In the end evaluations are best guesses there are no guarentees you select and hope for the best.

I like Ersery as a second round pick if they took a skill player at #4 or traded back. I lick Trapilo as a 4th round or later project with lots of upside for a double dip at the position.

 

[YankeeRebel]

I like Ersery as a second round pick if they took a skill player at #4 or traded back. I lick Trapilo as a 4th round or later project with lots of upside for a double dip at the position.

I could very easily live with that

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Word on the street...well I'm not on the street so...word on the radio this morning...

Multiple teams are looking to Cleveland or New York to trade so they can grab Jeanty at #2 or #3.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

I could very easily live with that

WTF...?
I like him, but nowhere near enough to lick him.

He's just not built the right way...

#fuckinspellcheckandautocorrect

 

[cdumler7]

Membou never played LT and there is no indication he can make the switch. Why would we take if Campbell is off the board when both Banks and Simmons are proven at the position?

It would definitely be a risk to take Membou when he hasn't played LT probably since high school, but I don't think it is crazy to think someone with his level of athleticism could learn. There would be some growing pains, but you would be drafting him with the idea that he is the best long-term answer at tackle. I would look at a guy like Tristin Wirfs who has gone from being the best RT in the NFL to now being the best LT in the NFL. Peneia Sewell did the same thing.

But beyond that just keep in mind my big board is not Patriot specific. So I think Membou has the higher upside between him and Campbell. I think Membou could quickly become a top-5 RT in football if a team takes him to play that spot. I also do think he could make the transition but it will take a season or two before we fully know if that worked out well or not. Campbell is the safer choice for sure in this situation.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Word on the street...well I'm not on the street so...word on the radio this morning...

Multiple teams are looking to Cleveland or New York to trade so they can grab Jeanty at #2 or #3.

I guess those teams are assuming the Pats would take him. If so that probably leaves Hunter or Carter on the board

 

[cdumler7]

And just as a heads up the most accurate mock drafter in Peter Schrager over the past few years does have the Pats staying at 4 and taking Campbell.

 

[YankeeRebel]

And just as a heads up the most accurate mock drafter in Peter Schrager over the past few years does have the Pats staying at 4 and taking Campbell.

I think most see it as the biggest need. Couple that with depth at RB, WR and to a degree TE it does IMO make sense

 

[BigKen]

Multiple teams are looking to Cleveland or New York to trade so they can grab Jeanty at #2 or #3.

Listening to Pro Football Weekly this morning and they say that phones are burning in Cleveland, New York AND New England

Suddenly, several teams have Jeanty as their primary target. They mentioned several that they supposedly know are making calls.
Dallas, Denver, Chicago, San Francisco and Indianapolis. One of them said that the Broncos are in a very tough spot at #20. He said that they would have to give up way more than they would like to get any of the top three to drop that far.

One mentioned a trade that has been talked about since last year. SF would give NE the #11 and Aiyuk to get #4 and they would grab Warren or Walker. They have some age starting to erode the edges.

Very interesting conversation by Dave Wannstatt. He said that Jimmy Johnson was the best he ever was associated with when it came to drafting. It was the biggest and worst fights between him and Jerry Jones. Johnson didn't give a shit whatthe experts had to say. He had more than fifty "Area Scouts" repotting to District Scout Directors who reported to the Cowboy Scouting Director who reported to Johnson. Johnson had one rule and one rule only. DRAFT STARTERS. Not the most gifted, most athletic, best at a position. STARTERS. Jones almost fired him when Johnson said he'd quit of JJ didn't let him draft Russell Maryland. Jones said that he wasn't a Cowboy type. He gave in to Johnson and Maryland was a starter and and an All Pro. Wanstatt then said he tried to do what Johnson did when he coached and said that most teams don't think that way at all.

 

[cheerupcharlie]

We all know I love Jeanty. But this team needs multiple offensive linemen. We can’t get cute and not select the offensive linemen of our choice with our first pick. Protecting Maye is the #1 priority right now. Get our guy and go from there.

 

[YankeeRebel]

We all know I love Jeanty. But this team needs multiple offensive linemen. We can’t get cute and not select the offensive linemen of our choice with our first pick. Protecting Maye is the #1 priority right now. Get our guy and go from there.

Ohhh we all like Jeanty, it's just a question of the greater need. If he is on the board and the Pats get a nice offer they are fools to ignore it

 

[nefansince75]

My thought is this...and I know I am not an expert or even close, so my opinion is just that of a fan...
Is this a rebuild? A multi year rebuild?
Is a LT going to get us deep into the playoffs? Same for RB? WR? Are we one position away from being a power house? CB QB, S, TE, DT...
I think not. We have a few positions that need to improve and we are not getting there in 2025.

So with that in mind, a player like Jeanty does not come around every year. Sure this is a deep RB class, which means if he is the best of a really good class, he is probably someone special. Is there the likely hood that there is someone just as good, someone special at RB next year? Less than likely, but maybe.

Will Campbell is a really good LT in a thin class. He is not anyone special, he's just really good. What is the likely hood there will be someone just as good, someone just really good available next year? Highly likely.

What's the likelihood that a second round pick on a RB this year would get you a RB almost as good as Jeanty? Not very likely. You'll probably get an adequate RB, a ball carrier, but mot a game changer.
Now, what's the chance that you could get an LT that is almost as good as Campbell in the second round? Very highly likely.

So grab Jeanty at #4, or Carter if available. Or trade back a bit and grab Warren.

I would say your opinion "as a fan" is better informed than most fans. I'd give that nod to most of us here. I swayed more on the side of @YankeeRebel early on but am coming around to jeanty. It started with @cheerupcharlie being high on him and opening my eyes. Then seeing the back and forth here along with a lot of experts validating that he's the real deal.

I don't think the OT is necessarily a bad one, just that it isn't the best value. We need an OT early, but if a game changer is there at 4, that's tough to resist.

 

[nefansince75]

Derrick Henry. It all depends on the players and the game plan.

Different schools does not mean quality schools. LaDainian Tomlinson played for a small school.
As did Marshall Faulk. And Walter Payton. And Jerry Rice.

As Did Danny Woodhead. I bring him up because shifty guys seem to break the smaller school rule more than others. Probably because there's a lot of good football talent without the elite combination of size, agility and speed. Shifting makes size less relevant. Jeany was playing against talent that had plenty of agility and speed and he beat them with his moves.

I'm not declaring Jeanty as "our guy". I'll let the team decide that.

 

[Southieinnc]

If the Patriots do not select a LT early and they wait - it could cost staff their jobs.
No time to get cute. We do not have an effective LT even as a backup.
The worst O-line in the league must improve or we have another rebuild year failure.....