2024 Season Thread

[Screamin12th]

I think he is a very good cover corner. I think he struggles a bit more in zone coverages where he is expected to spy the QB and jump on the route. And obviously his lack of run defense is a problem.

He does have to learn the skill of the position more and not rely on his physical abilities as much.

He will get it and i think having Macdonald coaching him will only help. To be fair Pete was the perfect coach for Woolen as he was a CB guru. He was one at USC and here. I think CB would be one of the toughest jobs on Defense, next to Safety.

cutting Woolen would be foolish. You got him under contract through the 2025 season for a good price based off his skill level. Let him play it out. He is tied with Love for 2nd on the team in INT's. He is #1 on the team in PD's and almost double the PD than the next CB on the list.

 

[blstoker]

WR is one of the few positions that schneider has actually been good at picking, and he has done it mostly after round 1. when you have one of the worst OLs and no future at QB, picking WRs is straight up retarded.
I dont care if we trade Metcalf and cut lockett, we should stay very far away from taking a WR before round 3.
of course schneider will take a WR high because his idea of team building is outside in

And chances are you’ll end up with a receiver corps that will do its very best to hold whoever throws them the ball back. Schneider has been good at drafting receivers when he picks them in the first 2 rounds, not so much later in the draft.

 

[Screamin12th]

I want Geno and the Hawks to start using Barner more. This kid is FUN to watch and he plays with a attitude. I feel like he could be something special but they need to use him to bring it out.

MORE AJ BARNER NOW!!! lol

 

[MrS]

Why? Because are you going into the season with Just JSN and Bobo? i dont think so. You might grab a FA WR but you will still need more. You just lost basically your #1 and #3 you need to replace them. Replacing 2 WR's of that quality isnt easy to do not spending quality picks on them.

we have other draft picks on the team at the WR position, give them some playing time and see what they can do. otherwise sign a vet.

Mrs is a little too obsessed with focusing on linemen early in the draft.

Don't get me wrong. I think we should put an emphasis on getting linemen early in the draft. But that doesn't mean it should be the ONLY thing you focus on.

unless you have everything else figured out, skill position players should not go in the first two rounds.

run the ball, stop the run. once you can do those two things then start thinking about throwing capital at WRs.

Drafts often have a lot of good WR options and they will be a lot cheaper that signing in free agency. Same is true with corners.

3rd round and later

As it stands people seemed to want to get rid of DK and Woolen. Which is fine but they need to be replaced. Pretending that you can find capable corners and wide receivers in the draft is a big assumption.

woolen sucks and his attitude is shit.

And chances are you’ll end up with a receiver corps that will do its very best to hold whoever throws them the ball back. Schneider has been good at drafting receivers when he picks them in the first 2 rounds, not so much later in the draft.

he picked DK at the end of round 2 and lockett in round 3, its one of the few positions he has hit on consistently and hasnt always needed 1st rounders to do it.
the problem I have is taking outside players like CB and WR when you cant run the ball and your defense is giving up 200 yards rushing regularly. thats a recipe for never getting over the top.

 

[flyerhawk]

unless you have everything else figured out, skill position players should not go in the first two rounds.

run the ball, stop the run. once you can do those two things then start thinking about throwing capital at WRs.

So you think we should only take linemen with our 1st 3 picks every year?

 

[MrS]

So you think we should only take linemen with our 1st 3 picks every year?

If youre giving up 200 yards on the ground regularly and cant run the ball to save your life? Taking OL and DL should be a priority in the top of the draft

 

[Screamin12th]

I cant see the Hawks spending rich capital ( 1st or 2nd rounders ) on the DL again. It's the 2nd highest paid position group on the team right now so you cant just keep piling money/players there when other places could use it even more. I can see them drafting Oline, and then they could go a few ways depending on what happens. If Lockett and DK are both gone they are taking a WR either round one or two. There is no getting around this not unless their guy is falling and they think they can get them in round 3. You only have JSN and Bobo really so you need another "Starter" and 100% now need depth. the guys behind Bobo are just bodies. Even Bobo is not that great but he also doesnt get many chances as the #4 behind DK, JSN, Lockett.

Wish we could get our draft picks back.

 

[MrS]

I cant see the Hawks spending rich capital ( 1st or 2nd rounders ) on the DL again.

We need a true NT

It's the 2nd highest paid position group on the team right now so you cant just keep piling money/players there when other places could use it even more.

Thats where the money should go.

I can see them drafting Oline, and then they could go a few ways depending on what happens.

Draft OL yes but we need to sign trey smith too.

If Lockett and DK are both gone they are taking a WR either round one or two. There is no getting around this not unless their guy is falling and they think they can get them in round 3. You only have JSN and Bobo really so you need another "Starter" and 100% now need depth. the guys behind Bobo are just bodies. Even Bobo is not that great but he also doesnt get many chances as the #4 behind DK, JSN, Lockett.

How any first round WRs does a team need? 3rd round and later

Wish we could get our draft picks back.

Maybe we can trade schneider for picks

 

[blstoker]

he picked DK at the end of round 2 and lockett in round 3, its one of the few positions he has hit on consistently and hasnt always needed 1st rounders to do it.
the problem I have is taking outside players like CB and WR when you cant run the ball and your defense is giving up 200 yards rushing regularly. thats a recipe for never getting over the top.

And? You quoted 5th round. I pointed out 5th round is too late to consistently get talent. 12th claimed a 3rd round or earlier and you refuted, so why are you pointing out first 3 round receivers I agree that it'll have to be in the first 3 rounds? You're moving your goalposts to be disagreeable. It is not feasible to replace a #1 receiver with a 5th rounder 99% of the time. That's the point, and at no point have I attempted to say otherwise. I'll agree I should've said Schneider does well with WRs in the first 3 rounds; I was at a Christmas party and just posted what came to mind - but it doesn't really change the point. Schneider's late round receivers have been role players at best.

 

[blstoker]

How any first round WRs does a team need? 3rd round and later

As many as they want to be able to run the offense they want. Macdonald doesn't hire Grubb because the guy is a run heavy OC.

 

[MrS]

And? You quoted 5th round. I pointed out 5th round is too late to consistently get talent. 12th claimed a 3rd round or earlier and you refuted, so why are you pointing out first 3 round receivers I agree that it'll have to be in the first 3 rounds? You're moving your goalposts to be disagreeable. It is not feasible to replace a #1 receiver with a 5th rounder 99% of the time. That's the point, and at no point have I attempted to say otherwise. I'll agree I should've said Schneider does well with WRs in the first 3 rounds; I was at a Christmas party and just posted what came to mind - but it doesn't really change the point. Schneider's late round receivers have been role players at best.

"I dont trust schneider to do that though, he will use our first or second to draft another WR"
"You dont need to draft WRs high, nacua was a 5th round pick."
you are putting words in my mouth.

 

[flyerhawk]

"I dont trust schneider to do that though, he will use our first or second to draft another WR"
"You dont need to draft WRs high, nacua was a 5th round pick."
you are putting words in my mouth.

Wait, what? You've repeatedly said that there is no point in drafting a WR in the 1st because you can get someone like Nacua in the 5th round. In fact you said that we shouldn't have drafted JSN because we could have drafted Nacua later in the draft.

If we cut Lockett and trade Metcalf in the offseason and we try to replace that production with some late round picks or UDFAs that would be borderline insane and setting up whoever our QB is next year to fail.

 

[flyerhawk]

FTR, I want to wish every a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. i know we all can sometimes get a little testy with each other but it is because we are all huge Seahawks fans that care about the team. As I mentioned in a different thread some of us are coming up on 30 years of talking online about the Seahawks going all the way back to the cnnsi message boards.

I appreciate the passion everyone has here even if I sometimes disagree with others

 

[blstoker]

"You dont need to draft WRs high, nacua was a 5th round pick."

These are the words I quoted. I don't need to put words in your mouth at all.

 

[blstoker]

FTR, I want to wish every a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. i know we all can sometimes get a little testy with each other but it is because we are all huge Seahawks fans that care about the team. As I mentioned in a different thread some of us are coming up on 30 years of talking online about the Seahawks going all the way back to the cnnsi message boards.

I appreciate the passion everyone has here even if I sometimes disagree with others

Merry Christmas!

 

[Anointed One]

FTR, I want to wish every a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. i know we all can sometimes get a little testy with each other but it is because we are all huge Seahawks fans that care about the team. As I mentioned in a different thread some of us are coming up on 30 years of talking online about the Seahawks going all the way back to the cnnsi message boards.

I appreciate the passion everyone has here even if I sometimes disagree with others

Merry Christmas to all of you as well…

 

[MrS]

These are the words I quoted. I don't need to put words in your mouth at all.

Did i say only draft Wr in round 5? No i said dont draft one high and gave an example of a very good WR taken in the middle of the draft.
We should not be drafting WR round one period and probably not round 2 either unless a major talent drops that low like when metcalf was available in the late 2nd.
But schneider loves to draft Wrs high, case in point the fact he wanted to dract deebo AND metcalf back to back. This is how you build mediocre to bad teams

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

FTR, I want to wish every a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. i know we all can sometimes get a little testy with each other but it is because we are all huge Seahawks fans that care about the team. As I mentioned in a different thread some of us are coming up on 30 years of talking online about the Seahawks going all the way back to the cnnsi message boards.

I appreciate the passion everyone has here even if I sometimes disagree with others

Merry Christmas!

 

[blstoker]

Did i say only draft Wr in round 5? No i said dont draft one high and gave an example of a very good WR taken in the middle of the draft.
We should not be drafting WR round one period and probably not round 2 either unless a major talent drops that low like when metcalf was available in the late 2nd.
But schneider loves to draft Wrs high, case in point the fact he wanted to dract deebo AND metcalf back to back. This is how you build mediocre to bad teams

If in some alternate universe I was to read the English language and not draw the conclusion that by saying a team should not draft a receiver early and the given example of a 5th rounder was not to give the impression that you meant that the fifth round was where you were implying a receiver should be targeted, the fact remains that Schneider has drafted 1 receiver in the first round the entire time he's been here. 1 in 15 years and that one is having one of the best receiving seasons in team history with a real good chance of breaking the team season receptions record and an outside chance at the team receiving yards record. He drafted 6 more on day 2 and hit on 4 of them, 2 of which were among the best in team history as well. That's 3 receivers among the best Seattle have ever had (an argument can be made that it's gonna end as #2, 3 & 4 on the all-time Seahawks receiver list when their careers are over) out of 7 total. How many did he hit on after round 3? 0. None of the 10 receivers taken by Schneider after round 3 have made any impact outside role players.

Now, you have a lot of rules of how to draft a great team that seem to fly in the face of how the NFL thinks. Kansas City, as an example, have drafted a receiver in the first 3 rounds in 4 of the last 5 drafts. It's almost as if they feel the position is important.

 

[MrS]

If in some alternate universe I was to read the English language and not draw the conclusion that by saying a team should not draft a receiver early and the given example of a 5th rounder was not to give the impression that you meant that the fifth round was where you were implying a receiver should be targeted,

Thats a hugely ridiculous leap. Nacua is one example and its likely there will be many more with the way the league has changed and the college game has changed to benefit Qbs and Wrs

the fact remains that Schneider has drafted 1 receiver in the first round the entire time he's been here.

This revolves around the idea that we HAVE TO take Wr in round 1 if we lose metcalf and lockett. I disagree with that take.

1 in 15 years and that one is having one of the best receiving seasons in team history with a real good chance of breaking the team season receptions record and an outside chance at the team receiving yards record. He drafted 6 more on day 2 and hit on 4 of them, 2 of which were among the best in team history as well. That's 3 receivers among the best Seattle have ever had (an argument can be made that it's gonna end as #2, 3 & 4 on the all-time Seahawks receiver list when their careers are over) out of 7 total. How many did he hit on after round 3? 0. None of the 10 receivers taken by Schneider after round 3 have made any impact outside role players.

Is he going to win us a superbowl? Because we won a superbowl with two guys who weren't even drafted.

Now, you have a lot of rules of how to draft a great team that seem to fly in the face of how the NFL thinks. Kansas City, as an example, have drafted a receiver in the first 3 rounds in 4 of the last 5 drafts. It's almost as if they feel the position is important.

Kansas city invests heavily in their OL and DL and they have for a while now. If schneider can do that first then go ahead draft Wrs in round one.
But until they do invest in the OL and stop signing shitty players for almost nothing, drafting Wrs high is a pointless exercise