2024 NBA Offseason

[mr.hockey4242]

Definitely, it was in all the papers.

Well shit, that's the issue 99% of Americans including myself don't read the paper

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

@thunderc @bksballer89

Is Sha’carri time.

 

[shopson67]

I think he’s a 22-23 guy. I don’t think it’s an awful overpay to give him 28-29 like OKC did. Their best players, 2 of 3 are cheap. This is when they can overpay. I also think that Hartenstein unlocks the chance to get the best Chet, off ball shot blocker

Agreed. I didn't say it was a bad signing, but I think even the Thunder would admit they overpaid to trump the competition for his services.

 

[shopson67]

But we never get to see what would truly be the best 10 in the world face off. A lot to ask I guess.

I'm not so sure that an international all-star team would be more competitive than these individual countries. A main reason these games are so much more competitive is that these national teams play together a lot and as a unit with national pride. An all-star team would lose that aspect. Some of these guys from South Sudan that have been tough for the US wouldn't even come close to making an international all-star team.

 

[eaglesnut]

Too bad they can’t split the team down the middle and play

They should put a second US team into the tournament. Even 3. Would be fun for us.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Cavs really locking in to "run it back" mode. If they change course, is anyone going to want to pay him $30M per?

Hartenstein got 29 mill per.....granted OKC may have overpaid by 5-6 mill per but they clearly wanted him and had cap space so......not a big deal.

That is a great deal for a guy like Allen by the way. The guy plays really good defense, rebounds and can score 16-17ppg. He has also turned into a solid passer who can kick it out the the open guy.

 

[DJ Fieri]

It’s fine if you don’t like Nurkic as a defender but why is dropping LBs and becoming more mobile a problem for his defense? Shaq doesn’t play in the league anymore. You don’t need a Big to be beefy to defend.

This.

 

[DJ Fieri]

That's why I thought the comparison was a bit wonky in establishing worth.

My initial point is that I don't know who is going to want to trade for a $30M per for a paint big like Allen in the near future, so they are essentially locking him to their roster with the extension. We've seen how the apron rules have shifted teams' spending habits overall. Maybe as the cap continues to expand that will change, but we'll see how the athleticism holds as he nears/passes 30.

Meh, Allen should be fine as he gets older.

 

[ducky]

I said it right when it happened. OKC is paying a little bit of a premium in order to get him to sign a 3 year deal and not the 4 year deal everyone else was likely offering him.

If they got him for 3 year $87M, you can bet he had an offer for something like 4 year $95M on table.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I think he’s a 22-23 guy. I don’t think it’s an awful overpay to give him 28-29 like OKC did. Their best players, 2 of 3 are cheap. This is when they can overpay. I also think that Hartenstein unlocks the chance to get the best Chet, off ball shot blocker

There was nobody else that really fit their need on the market so they had to overpay. They definitely did overpay but in the right circumstance it is fine

 

[thunderc]

I said it right when it happened. OKC is paying a little bit of a premium in order to get him to sign a 3 year deal and not the 4 year deal everyone else was likely offering him.

If they got him for 3 year $87M, you can bet he had an offer for something like 4 year $95M on table.

And the 3rd year is a team option, the Thunder paid a bit of a premium for the first 2 years to get that.

 

[Shanemansj13]

That's why I thought the comparison was a bit wonky in establishing worth.

My initial point is that I don't know who is going to want to trade for a $30M per for a paint big like Allen in the near future, so they are essentially locking him to their roster with the extension. We've seen how the apron rules have shifted teams' spending habits overall. Maybe as the cap continues to expand that will change, but we'll see how the athleticism holds as he nears/passes 30.

At $20M he was underpaid, without a doubt but even at $30M you could argue he either right at his worth and/or will be a bargain in the future.

Right now he is the 12th highest paid center in the league. That is a hell of a deal.
But even in say 3 years, he is the 5th AND this is not counting all the guys that will get paid for the next 3 years.

His overall contract with the extension has him paid like the 10th overall center. He is easily a top 10 center.

He will be making $32M in 28-29 when the projected cap is $205M-15% of the cap.

 

[shopson67]

Hartenstein got 29 mill per.....granted OKC may have overpaid by 5-6 mill per but they clearly wanted him and had cap space so......not a big deal.

That is a great deal for a guy like Allen by the way. The guy plays really good defense, rebounds and can score 16-17ppg. He has also turned into a solid passer who can kick it out the the open guy.

It's also the "max" the Cavs could extend Allen for at this time apparently.

 

[DJ Fieri]

At $20M he was underpaid, without a doubt but even at $30M you could argue he either right at his worth and/or will be a bargain in the future.

Right now he is the 12th highest paid center in the league. That is a hell of a deal.
But even in say 3 years, he is the 5th AND this is not counting all the guys that will get paid for the next 3 years.

His overall contract with the extension has him paid like the 10th overall center. He is easily a top 10 center.

He will be making $32M in 28-29 when the projected cap is $205M-15% of the cap.

Exactly.

 

[DJ Fieri]

And the 3rd year is a team option, the Thunder paid a bit of a premium for the first 2 years to get that.

And he and Caruso are just what OKC needed. Damn near perfect fits.

The rest of the WC should be worried.

 

[fightinfunbags]

There was nobody else that really fit their need on the market so they had to overpay. They definitely did overpay but in the right circumstance it is fine

At the risk of invoking the ire of @thunderc , OKC is a tough FA destination. Sometimes you have to overpay to make that happen. I’ll also own that my team overpaid PG for his age and the role he will be asked to play.

This seems to be FA in sports. If you want to sign someone in FA there’s a strong chance you’re overpaying.

 

[thunderc]

At the risk of invoking the ire of @thunderc , OKC is a tough FA destination. Sometimes you have to overpay to make that happen. I’ll also own that my team overpaid PG for his age and the role he will be asked to play.

This seems to be FA in sports. If you want to sign someone in FA there’s a strong chance you’re overpaying.

No ire, but I already addressed this, it’s a combination of what we both are saying. To me the big thing is though that the Thunder overpaid a bit on the first 2 years to get that team option on the 3rd year when Chet and Jdub will have max deals.

 

[Shanemansj13]

At the risk of invoking the ire of @thunderc , OKC is a tough FA destination. Sometimes you have to overpay to make that happen. I’ll also own that my team overpaid PG for his age and the role he will be asked to play.

This seems to be FA in sports. If you want to sign someone in FA there’s a strong chance you’re overpaying.

Of course, I agree but the facts are they are overpaid. No one can debate that

 

[thunderc]

Of course, I agree but the facts are they are overpaid. No one can debate that

By that argument it could be said all but about 8 players are overpaid though

 

[fightinfunbags]

And he and Caruso are just what OKC needed. Damn near perfect fits.

The rest of the WC should be worried.

Caruso’s contract is a high value one economically. Look at what Dillon Brooks gets