2023 offseason thread

[Shanemansj13]

What would you have dealt him for?

Some rocks and a bag of sand + salary filler

 

[trojanfan12]

Sixers didn’t lose because they acquired James Harden. Their Star and MVP candidate puckered in the last 5 minutes of a close out game. The Harden group set the high win total for the Sixers in the Embiid era. Harden wasn’t the problem. If we’re going back to what “everyone told me”. They told me that the Sixers couldn’t get anything close to the level of James Harden for the Simmons asset. You were one of the voices saying just dump him now. You would have settled for much less than what Morey got.

lol

The whole point of Harden was so Embiid didn't have to carry the load alone. Where was Harden in those same minutes?

That win total from "The Harden Group" got you a 2nd round exit. Congrats.

Getting someone Hardens level for Simmons got you what again?

No I won’t.

You already started.

Who do you trade Simmons for? What’s the deal you take. And Harden wasn’t the problem. Embiid is the reason the Sixers have stalled.

Not Harden. As for Embiid...again, when exactly did Harden step up? And now he wants out again.

I’ve already posted that I would move on from Embiid. But when you say things like fool yourself into thinking the Sixers are a contender that emanates from Embiid and not Harden. The last 3 years of Embiid have been his best but that hasn’t translated to a rise in his playoff performances. Blaming this on Harden is a lazy opinion.

It emanates from Embiid because he's a contender level player. But, like any other contender level player, he can't do it by himself. He needs another player who can play at that level. The Sixers haven't gotten that for him.

 

[trojanfan12]

Some rocks and a bag of sand + salary filler

That's what they got in Harden.

Well, that and VIP passes to Phillys best strip clubs.

 

[tlance]

Sixers didn’t lose because they acquired James Harden. Their Star and MVP candidate puckered in the last 5 minutes of a close out game. The Harden group set the high win total for the Sixers in the Embiid era. Harden wasn’t the problem. If we’re going back to what “everyone told me”. They told me that the Sixers couldn’t get anything close to the level of James Harden for the Simmons asset. You were one of the voices saying just dump him now. You would have settled for much less than what Morey got.

No I won’t.

Who do you trade Simmons for? What’s the deal you take. And Harden wasn’t the problem. Embiid is the reason the Sixers have stalled.

I’ve already posted that I would move on from Embiid. But when you say things like fool yourself into thinking the Sixers are a contender that emanates from Embiid and not Harden. The last 3 years of Embiid have been his best but that hasn’t translated to a rise in his playoff performances. Blaming this on Harden is a lazy opinion.

You are misrepresenting the narrative.

Sixers choked, Sixers threw their weak minded star under the bus and ran him over multiple times as they completely ruined any trade value he had.

What we told you was that the 6ers weren’t going to get anything great for Simmons after publicly sabotaging his value.

They managed to get a malcontent Harden (who was probably a negative contract) because they added Curry, Drummond and 2 firsts.

So don’t act like the is was some kind of amazing trade for Philly.

It wasn’t.

 

[DJ Fieri]

 

[DJ Fieri]

lol @the guy who thought adding James Harden would make the Sixers a contender criticizing someone else's GMing.

LOL.

 

[DJ Fieri]

They need to trade the rest of the bench and their 1 first for their starting 3

You have your starting 5, Melton tucker and Reed as your core 8

???

 

[tlance]

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Give me the two guys with the most complimentary skill sets.

MJ and either big would have dominated the 90s

LeBron and KD would be ridiculous in the pace and space era.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Give me the two guys with the most complimentary skill sets.

MJ and either big would have dominated the 90s

LeBron and KD would be ridiculous in the pace and space era.

I was thinking Shaq and MJ.

Agree on KD and Bron today.

 

[fightinfunbags]

You are misrepresenting the narrative.

What? Are you talking about your lonely narrative that the Sixers are responsible for ruining the uncoachable Ben Simmons. The Sixers are responsible for Ben’s mental health? The Sixers are responsible for his unwillingness as a basketball player to shoot the basketball? This is YOUR narrative that’s been rejected by myself and other posters so many times. In all this time you’ve done nothing to establish this conclusion. Yet you still present it like it’s gospel.

Sixers choked, Sixers threw their weak minded star under the bus and ran him over multiple times as they completely ruined any trade value he had.

What we told you was that the 6ers weren’t going to get anything great for Simmons after publicly sabotaging his value.

And they did much better than anyone here ever thought they would considering what Ben Simmons did to his value.

They managed to get a malcontent Harden (who was probably a negative contract) because they added Curry, Drummond and 2 firsts.

Ben Simmons will still be under contract next year. Harden will not. Harden was 21/10 last year. Ben Simmons was not.

So don’t act like the is was some kind of amazing trade for Philly.

It wasn’t.

I’m going to act like you and many others were wrong. This is just the pivot after the fact. Do you remember the day of the trade? I do. You said that day that the Nets immediately became the favorites to win the East.

 

[fightinfunbags]

lol

The whole point of Harden was so Embiid didn't have to carry the load alone. Where was Harden in those same minutes?

Harden won them Game 1 and Game 4. Embiid was supposed to be the alpha

That win total from "The Harden Group" got you a 2nd round exit. Congrats.

It always does…because of Embiid. That being said a 3-2 lead and a lead with 5 to go in a close out game still marks the high water mark for the Embiid era as sad as that sounds.

Getting someone Hardens level for Simmons got you what again?

More than you or anyone here said the Sixers would get for Ben Simmons.

You already started.

The way you posted that Russ was an awful fit while still defending Russ regularly? I don’t know how many times I can say I don’t want Harden back. That’s because he doesn’t want to be here. I don’t want guys that don’t want to be here.

Not Harden. As for Embiid...again, when exactly did Harden step up? And now he wants out again.

Just as I expected. You don’t have a name. You’re not even gonna try. You can’t criticize them getting a value more than you ever projected they could get at the time and then not follow up with something that is better. You’ve already maintained the Sixers should have gotten Embiid better. So where is better? What represents better? You were specifically asked. You puckered like Embiid in a playoff game.

It emanates from Embiid because he's a contender level player. But, like any other contender level player, he can't do it by himself. He needs another player who can play at that level. The Sixers haven't gotten that for him.

The Sixers got him Jimmy Butler. Same result.

 

[fightinfunbags]

They need to trade the rest of the bench and their 1 first for their starting 3

You have your starting 5, Melton tucker and Reed as your core 8

This is Danuel House, Furkan Korkmaz, and Jaden Springer along with a 2029 1st. I don’t think that’s going to bring a 30-32 minute a night 3 and D wing to start with Harden Maxey Harris and Embiid. That’s 11.8 million. I’m all ears if you have a 3 and D wing they can get for that. I don’t think they can.

 

[DJ Fieri]

LOL.

 

[The Q]

This is Danuel House, Furkan Korkmaz, and Jaden Springer along with a 2029 1st. I don’t think that’s going to bring a 30-32 minute a night 3 and D wing to start with Harden Maxey Harris and Embiid. That’s 11.8 million. I’m all ears if you have a 3 and D wing they can get for that. I don’t think they can.

Royce O’Neal

 

[fightinfunbags]

Royce O’Neal

If they can pull that off, I’m on board.
Works on trade machine. I think the Nets can likely get better.

 

[The Q]

If they can pull that off, I’m on board.
Works on trade machine. I think the Nets can likely get better.
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They’re getting a first and a young player like springer

I really doubt it

I think that’s about what he goes for


Also, side note: it’s wild that no small forwards are making 14-17m this year….wild

 

[trojanfan12]

Harden won them Game 1 and Game 4. Embiid was supposed to be the alpha

So the guy who was supposed to be the missing piece and make you a contender showed up twice and you got a 2nd round exit out of it. Congrats, I guess.

The way you posted that Russ was an awful fit while still defending Russ regularly? I don’t know how many times I can say I don’t want Harden back. That’s because he doesn’t want to be here. I don’t want guys that don’t want to be here.

I didn't defend Russ other than to say he played hard every minute he was on the floor, which was true. There's a reason I've always called him "my favorite player to watch play for someone else".

I've always loved how hard he plays, but he has zero basketball IQ, which is why I never wanted him on the Lakers.

As for who I would trade him for, I don't remember who may have been available. But I'd have traded him before things got as bad as they did and I'd never have traded for Harden.

You can keep blaming Embiid all you want. But you'll have to remind me who was the contender level player that the Sixers paired him with? Other than Butler who was there for all of 55 games that is (probably should have kept him).

 

[trojanfan12]

View attachment 335081LOL.

Have my bench players wave pizza slices at him...announce free hotdog night at the concession stand?

 

[tlance]

What? Are you talking about your lonely narrative that the Sixers are responsible for ruining the uncoachable Ben Simmons. The Sixers are responsible for Ben’s mental health? The Sixers are responsible for his unwillingness as a basketball player to shoot the basketball? This is YOUR narrative that’s been rejected by myself and other posters so many times. In all this time you’ve done nothing to establish this conclusion. Yet you still present it like it’s gospel.

And they did much better than anyone here ever thought they would considering what Ben Simmons did to his value.

Ben Simmons will still be under contract next year. Harden will not. Harden was 21/10 last year. Ben Simmons was not.

I’m going to act like you and many others were wrong. This is just the pivot after the fact. Do you remember the day of the trade? I do. You said that day that the Nets immediately became the favorites to win the East.

Yes I did say that.

I said the 6ers overpaid for Harden.

Simmons never recovered, so the Nets lost out big.

But the 6ers lost too.

As I said from the jump when instead of quietly trading Simmons, their star players and coach decided to call him out in the media first.

Then all the drama unfolded.

And yes, Philly broke him. He was a very good player before all the drama.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Yes I did say that.

I said the 6ers overpaid for Harden.

Simmons never recovered, so the Nets lost out big.

But the 6ers lost too.

As I said from the jump when instead of quietly trading Simmons, their star players and coach decided to call him out in the media first.

Then all the drama unfolded.

And yes, Philly broke him. He was a very good player before all the drama.

Ben Simmons is uncoachable. Nothing anyone does or says can ruin a player who by their very nature blocks out and ignores the people around him helping him to get better. Your take is categorically insane. The player that for 6 years ignores every bit of coaching and constructive criticism presented to him, the player whose best year came when he was a rookie is now ruined because of comments made at a press conference by Rivers and Embiid. That math ain’t mathing. The guy ignores everybody that matters for years but based on a handful of sentences it’s now everyone else’s fault. The environment changed and Ben Simmons has regressed even further. And yet in your eyes this doesn’t fall on Ben Simmons. You’re saying the majority of the blame lies with the Sixers. It was an insane take when you presented first. It’s still an off the wall take today. Everything that has transpired since you first signaled this theory has back doored your conjecture. He hasn’t been a Sixer in 2 years and yet he’s still one of the worst contracts in the league.