2023 offseason thread

[tlance]

Ben Simmons is uncoachable. Nothing anyone does or says can ruin a player who by their very nature blocks out and ignores the people around him helping him to get better. Your take is categorically insane. The player that for 6 years ignores every bit of coaching and constructive criticism presented to him, the player whose best year came when he was a rookie is now ruined because of comments made at a press conference by Rivers and Embiid. That math ain’t mathing. The guy ignores everybody that matters for years but based on a handful of sentences it’s now everyone else’s fault. The environment changed and Ben Simmons has regressed even further. And yet in your eyes this doesn’t fall on Ben Simmons. You’re saying the majority of the blame lies with the Sixers. It was an insane take when you presented first. It’s still an off the wall take today. Everything that has transpired since you first signaled this theory has back doored your conjecture. He hasn’t been a Sixer in 2 years and yet he’s still one of the worst contracts in the league.

I agree Simmons is uncoachable.

It wasn’t going to work with him and Embiid.

What you fail to realize is how badly the 6ers screwed up in their management of Simmons the asset.

Handle your business quietly in house and trade him before he says he isn’t playing for Philly again and you get a MUCH better return.

Much better.

But Embiid and Rivers just couldn’t be pros. They said what they said and it likely trained any chance the 6ers had to contend in the Embiid era.

But congrats. I guess your team did do less poorly than the Nets in the Harden trade.

So if you want to call that a win, whatever floats your bad man.

Me? I only call a trade a win if it makes the team better.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I agree Simmons is uncoachable.

It wasn’t going to work with him and Embiid.

What you fail to realize is how badly the 6ers screwed up in their management of Simmons the asset.

Did they? They got an All NBA player and a guy who just lead the league in assists per game while also averaging 21 points a game.

Handle your business quietly in house and trade him before he says he isn’t playing for Philly again and you get a MUCH better return.

In a perfect world, I agree. But that’s not what you’ve been saying. The comments of Doc and Embiid account for maybe 10% of the issue here and that percentage is generous. The fact of the matter is that Ben Simmons wanted out because Philadelphia has the audacity of being a fanbase that cares and is very vocal because they care. Despite the fact that he was given a standing ovation for every trip to the line rooting him on through a post season in which he was 36% from the line, he knew that after he passed up that dunk and had another season with a playoff disappearing act that he was going to hear it from the fans. He was deathly afraid of that because he is a weak person.

Much better.

But Embiid and Rivers just couldn’t be pros. They said what they said and it likely trained any chance the 6ers had to contend in the Embiid era.

That’s ridiculous. And is just an excuse for Embiid’s own warts and failures.

But congrats. I guess your team did do less poorly than the Nets in the Harden trade.

Thanks.

So if you want to call that a win, whatever floats your bad man.

I will because it’s abundantly clear who won that trade.

Me? I only call a trade a win if it makes the team better.

The Sixers were better. You just refuse to admit it.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Ben Simmons is uncoachable. Nothing anyone does or says can ruin a player who by their very nature blocks out and ignores the people around him helping him to get better. Your take is categorically insane. The player that for 6 years ignores every bit of coaching and constructive criticism presented to him, the player whose best year came when he was a rookie is now ruined because of comments made at a press conference by Rivers and Embiid. That math ain’t mathing. The guy ignores everybody that matters for years but based on a handful of sentences it’s now everyone else’s fault. The environment changed and Ben Simmons has regressed even further. And yet in your eyes this doesn’t fall on Ben Simmons. You’re saying the majority of the blame lies with the Sixers. It was an insane take when you presented first. It’s still an off the wall take today. Everything that has transpired since you first signaled this theory has back doored your conjecture. He hasn’t been a Sixer in 2 years and yet he’s still one of the worst contracts in the league.

Not saying they want him but Pop?

Would be able to.....if Ben is taking his meds for his alleged mental illness.

 

[Mebert]

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We saw Curry and Durrant, outside of that
the closest we saw to any of these was Shaq and MJ as we had years of Shaq and Kobe. That duo dominated, so that pairing is an improved version of that.

Give me Jordan and Duncan out of this. No matter who else you put in your team your defense will be good, and I think those two could mesh the best with any kind of roster makeup.

 

[tlance]

Did they? They got an All NBA player and a guy who just lead the league in assists per game while also averaging 21 points a game.

In a perfect world, I agree. But that’s not what you’ve been saying. The comments of Doc and Embiid account for maybe 10% of the issue here and that percentage is generous. The fact of the matter is that Ben Simmons wanted out because Philadelphia has the audacity of being a fanbase that cares and is very vocal because they care. Despite the fact that he was given a standing ovation for every trip to the line rooting him on through a post season in which he was 36% from the line, he knew that after he passed up that dunk and had another season with a playoff disappearing act that he was going to hear it from the fans. He was deathly afraid of that because he is a weak person.

That’s ridiculous. And is just an excuse for Embiid’s own warts and failures.

Thanks.

I will because it’s abundantly clear who won that trade.

The Sixers were better. You just refuse to admit it.

Wrong.

Cause and effect.

Simmons asked out after his teammates, coach, and fans publicly shamed him.

And the 6ers with Harden were not better than the team was the year before. They were the same.

And that is even with the emergence of Maxey and with Embiid’s improvement.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Wrong.

Cause and effect.

Simmons asked out after his teammates, coach, and fans publicly shamed him.

That was an unreliable weak player that we know has mounted excuse after excuse to deflect from his own responsibility.

And the 6ers with Harden were not better than the team was the year before. They were the same.

Disagree. They were uncompetitive in the Miami series and they lost in 7 games to a Hawks team the year prior that is without a doubt the worst 2nd round opponent they lost to. They were absolutely better.

And that is even with the emergence of Maxey and with Embiid’s improvement.

 

[The Q]

Not saying they want him but Pop?

Would be able to.....if Ben is taking his meds for his alleged mental illness.

Pop, spo, and okc cause they got chip


I’d take him as Portland over herro simply because I likely get more picks and more upside if Simmons gets back to form

The nets have also mishandled him treating him like he’s Bruce brown rather than a primary ball handler

That’s the real question, where can he go and run the offense

Utah?

 

[DJ Fieri]

Wrong.

Cause and effect.

Simmons asked out after his teammates, coach, and fans publicly shamed him.

And the 6ers with Harden were not better than the team was the year before. They were the same.

And that is even with the emergence of Maxey and with Embiid’s improvement.

Yep.

 

[Mebert]

Wrong.

Cause and effect.

Simmons asked out after his teammates, coach, and fans publicly shamed him.

And the 6ers with Harden were not better than the team was the year before. They were the same.

And that is even with the emergence of Maxey and with Embiid’s improvement.

I agreed with the Simmons asking out after the shaming at first, but once he got a new start and repeated the exact same behavior I would say the team and fans got it right.

Doc Rivers was Simmons worst case, that guy has killed the shot and confidence of mentally strong people, Simmons never stood a chance. It would be cool if he found his confidence and made a solid career in his early 30s, but hard to see it happening at this point.

 

[Mebert]

Pop, spo, and okc cause they got chip


I’d take him as Portland over herro simply because I likely get more picks and more upside if Simmons gets back to form

The nets have also mishandled him treating him like he’s Bruce brown rather than a primary ball handler

That’s the real question, where can he go and run the offense

Utah?

At this point it would take Phil Jackson to build him back up.

 

[tlance]

That was an unreliable weak player that we know has mounted excuse after excuse to deflect from his own responsibility.

Disagree. They were uncompetitive in the Miami series and they lost in 7 games to a Hawks team the year prior that is without a doubt the worst 2nd round opponent they lost to. They were absolutely better.

Tell yourself what you want.

This all plays out way different if Embiid goes into that press conference and takes his teammates back. Then Rivers does the same.

And you know this if you are being honest.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Tell yourself what you want.

This all plays out way different if Embiid goes into that press conference and takes his teammates back. Then Rivers does the same.

And you know this if you are being honest.

Being honest = embrace of your looney and lonely opinion that Rivers and Embiid are responsible for Ben Simmons being wasted god given ability.

Got it.

 

[tlance]

I agreed with the Simmons asking out after the shaming at first, but once he got a new start and repeated the exact same behavior I would say the team and fans got it right.

Doc Rivers was Simmons worst case, that guy has killed the shot and confidence of mentally strong people, Simmons never stood a chance. It would be cool if he found his confidence and made a solid career in his early 30s, but hard to see it happening at this point.

But at what cost?

Ok, they were right.

And they completely tanked his trade value because they needed the public validation that they were right.

Incredibly bad move.

 

[tlance]

Being honest = embrace of your looney and lonely opinion that Rivers and Embiid are responsible for Ben Simmons being wasted god given ability.

Got it.

Not even remotely close to what I am saying.

Simmons is mostly responsible for that.

6ers completely responsible for killing his trade value.

 

[dtgold88]

Herro is farrrr from a bad player. He is a top 5 player in his draft class. Also several teams been named as having interest in Herro but if Portland doesn't have any interest in discussing a deal with Miami as multiple ppl basically said this week then those teams having interest in him means nothing

You are talking like he is a bum and some shitty undrafted player struggling to make it in the league lol

and bringing up the 1 way player is odd since Dame is a 1 way player.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I mean realistically, if Philly didn’t get Harden for Simmons what were they going to get for him? Genuinely curious bc I remember at the time there wasn’t much there.
Both sides could have done things different and Philly maybe trades him earlier to get great value for him but difficult to say bc they were living on hope he would continue to improve. I mean we saw him shooting jumpshots in pickup and practice but he refused to shoot in game. The guy is there mentally and seems to be lacking confidence.

 

[dtgold88]

No one said he’s a bum. He’s not Mikal Bridges. He’s not Cam Johnson. He’s not Lauri Markinnen. The problem is Herro is the headline in the deal for Dame.

Not so sure Herro wouldn't be those guys if he was put on a bad team getting a lot more shots.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Pop, spo, and okc cause they got chip


I’d take him as Portland over herro simply because I likely get more picks and more upside if Simmons gets back to form

The nets have also mishandled him treating him like he’s Bruce brown rather than a primary ball handler

That’s the real question, where can he go and run the offense

Utah?

I agree on Spo in Miami....not so sure about OKC because I am not that familiar with their HC

 

[dtgold88]

Herro and Sexton is a debate? LMAO

I mean, before his injury the kid was an efficient 24 ppg scorer. That went down but he remained an efficient shooter. size does hurt him, though.

 

[Shanemansj13]

and bringing up the 1 way player is odd since Dame is a 1 way player.

It’s odd bc Dame is arguably a top 50-100 player of all-time. Herro has been a sixth man but is a capable starter. Teams plan around Dame, not Herro.
I don’t think it is unreasonable Portland doesn’t want Herro bc they would rather explore the market, they don’t want another guard in a clustered backcourt (that is making $27M for 4 more years) and/or they want to get great value for arguably the best player in franchise history.

I don’t think it is crazy they ask for a young player forming into a star on a rookie contract, salary filler and picks. Doesn’t mean they will get that. Why settle for Herro or why settle for certain assets from a 3rd team that wants Herro? We really don’t know the offers so hard to say why Portland is waiting. There is no rush