2023 offseason thread

[The Q]

I agree on Spo in Miami....not so sure about OKC because I am not that familiar with their HC

Them more so because they have the spurs old shooting coach who fixed kawhis broken shot

 

[The Q]

I also think this could happen but not because embiid owns a house in ny lol. NY is a 2 hr drive from philly so it isn't a big deal imo that he owns a house here

Yeah. It can happen because they have a ton of picks and more of a timeline fitting roster than okc

 

[The Q]

Nah. Spo and Pop are 2 HOF caliber coaches who would be able to coach him. Maybe Billups too like The Q mentioned but they have Scoot.

I just think he’s a pg first and foremost so maybe it takes a pg to unlock him.

But getting scoot does make that tough

It’s clear you can’t play him like brown because he doesn’t wanna cut like brown

Simmons is basically the modern day nick Anderson at this point

 

[fightinfunbags]

Yeah. It can happen because they have a ton of picks and more of a timeline fitting roster than okc

When it’s time (I think this time next year), the Sixers will open it up and make it known he can be had. If this year looks really bad come Jan/Feb it might be as soon as the deadline. They’ll start off not wanting to trade him to the Knicks but the Knicks might come with the best package.

 

[msgkings322]

View attachment 335081LOL.

Throw a cheeseburger off to the side and grab the ball when he jumps

 

[thunderc]

Them more so because they have the spurs old shooting coach who fixed kawhis broken shot

Josh Giddey went up 6 points from the field and from 3 last season.

 

[tlance]

I mean realistically, if Philly didn’t get Harden for Simmons what were they going to get for him? Genuinely curious bc I remember at the time there wasn’t much there.
Both sides could have done things different and Philly maybe trades him earlier to get great value for him but difficult to say bc they were living on hope he would continue to improve. I mean we saw him shooting jumpshots in pickup and practice but he refused to shoot in game. The guy is there mentally and seems to be lacking confidence.

Realistically?

They could have gone a lot of different directions.

Revisiting Simmons requires hindsight and projection to be the one guy in 100 that saw it coming. The most realistic trade talk that involved Simmons came when Kawhi was traded to Toronto. Simmons was linked to a possible trade for Kawhi who would have been a one year rental. Word on the street was that he wanted to be in LA. In the end, that’s where he went after one year in Toronto. So what was on the table at that juncture was a guy who was ROTY in year 1, and in year 2 3rd team All NBA for a one year rental of Kawhi. Most everyone would have said that’s a bad deal for the Sixers. Personally, I think the writing was on the wall with the way he reacted to Jimmy Butler being put on the ball the following year in the playoffs. Even that is hindsight but I maintain that the Sixers organization needed to see that coming and they chose the wrong player in letting Butler walk and keeping Simmons to be the PG. Even there, Himmy Butler wasn’t a thing yet. Butler today was different than Butler back then.

Oy vey…here I am litigating the Simmons shit all over again. It’s exhausting. But the reality is this. When players rise and fall they get helped, they get harmed by outside forces but the Buck stops here and the ultimate success or failure lies with the player. More so than anything else, success in sports lies in dealing with adversity. Adversity chewed Ben Simmons up and spit him out. It is what it is.


And I almost forgot. Numerous posters have told me over two days “they shouldn’t have dealt for Harden”. Yet when pressed to produce a viable alternative among many rumors that were printed at the time, no one can produce anything that comes close to what Morey actually got with the Simmons asset.

Morey did fine with the Simmons asset AFTER devaluing it horribly.

 

[tlance]

Here’s Doc Rivers about 10 days before the Sixers “tanked” Simmons value. This is Doc playing mental gymnastics and attempting a Jedi Mind Trick to try and convince reporters that it’s not a big deal to have a basketball player that doesn’t shoot.

So for the record…you need to pump sunshine and lollipops up the ass of people but then when you have one comment in a press conference it completely tanks a players value.

Exactly right.

Don’t crush your players in the public. Incredibly stupid to do.

It wasn’t the comment itself, as much as it was Simmons’ very predictable reaction to it.

People will watch the playoffs and make their own conclusions about the player.

But before those comments? Simmons was an all NBA unicorn talent who didn’t show up in the playoffs and had questionable work ethic.

That still has value in the NbA

Once Simmons said he wouldn’t play in Philly again and the feud started, that was when his value truly tanked.

 

[tlance]

@fightinfunbags is just wrong on this.

What tanks a player’s trade value more than anything?

When the other teams in the league knows that the franchise MUST trade the player.

Value drops exponentially at that point.

Philly could not afford to keep Simmons. And every other team knew it.

 

[fightinfunbags]

@fightinfunbags is just wrong on this.

What tanks a player’s trade value more than anything?

When the other teams in the league knows that the franchise MUST trade the player.

Value drops exponentially at that point.

Philly could not afford to keep Simmons. And every other team knew it.

The flaw in your reasoning is that you’re taking the characterization of a weak man and a coward at face value. He wanted out because of how he finished and because the talk had boiled over about Simmons refusal to shoot. It blew up when he passed up that layup. All of this was a contrived reason after the fact for him to try and play victim and save face. You’ve gotten played by a liar and an individual with low character. You’ve taken what he’s said as if it is gospel.

We don’t disagree on the fact that the Simmons asset was tanked. I just didn’t fall for the bull shit you did.

 

[tlance]

The flaw in your reasoning is that you’re taking the characterization of a weak man and a coward at face value. He wanted out because of how he finished and because the talk had boiled over about Simmons refusal to shoot. It blew up when he passed up that layup. All of this was a contrived reason after the fact for him to try and play victim and save face. You’ve gotten played by a liar and an individual with low character. You’ve taken what he’s said as if it is gospel.

We don’t disagree on the fact that the Simmons asset was tanked. I just didn’t fall for the bull shit you did.

What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room. Always support your teammates no matter what.

Have the tough conversations in private, not public.

That is team sports 101.

Had Embiid and Rivers followed that and supported Simmons publicly when some Philly fans were literally asking for him to be murdered, the whole thing plays out different.

The flaw in your reasoning is assuming everything goes down the same way without the catalyst that set the whole thing in motion.

It is literally insane to thing 1 play can materially affect a players trade value. It was everyone in Philly’s reaction to it that did that.

 

[fightinfunbags]

What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room. Always support your teammates no matter what.

Have the tough conversations in private, not public.

That is team sports 101.

Had Embiid and Rivers followed that and supported Simmons publicly when some Philly fans were literally asking for him to be murdered, the whole thing plays out different.

The flaw in your reasoning is assuming everything goes down the same way without the catalyst that set the whole thing in motion.

It is literally insane to thing 1 play can materially affect a players trade value. It was everyone in Philly’s reaction to it that did that.

Nope. You’re doing what Simmons did. You’re clinging to an excuse. Ben Simmons is what low character people do. They find a way to blame others when they fail.

 

[tlance]

Nope. You’re doing what Simmons did. You’re clinging to an excuse. Ben Simmons is what low character people do. They find a way to blame others when they fail.

Then why do so many here agree with me when it is so much easier to bash the player?

Because the 6ers screwed up horribly and it cost your fan base opportunities to contend for a title.

 

[thunderc]

Nope. You’re doing what Simmons did. You’re clinging to an excuse. Ben Simmons is what low character people do. They find a way to blame others when they fail.

Anyone that dealt with him got what they got though. Those stories were there from college for anyone to see.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Then why do so many here agree with me when it is so much easier to bash the player?

Do they? They may have at one time. But the two worst seasons of his NBA career have played out since then and most posters abandoned your narrative. Everything that’s transpired after he got out what you’re depicting as his own personal hell has been complete ass followed by more excuse making.

Because the 6ers screwed up horribly and it cost your fan base opportunities to contend for a title.

I’m on board with this conclusion but Ben Simmons trade had very little to do with that. In fact, it doesn’t even make my top ten list of missteps. It was a coup considering what Simmons did to tank his value.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Anyone that dealt with him got what they got though. Those stories were there from college for anyone to see.

Yep. @tlance did you see his documentary for his only year at LSU? If not check that out. It drips of entitlement. Ben Simmons was a Ben Simmons problem not a Sixers problem.

 

[thunderc]

Yep. @tlance did you see his documentary for his only year at LSU? If not check that out. It drips of entitlement. Ben Simmons was a Ben Simmons problem not a Sixers problem.

Oh there is no doubt the Sixers made him their problem when they gave him the bag. That was what broke it all.

 

[tlance]

Yep. @tlance did you see his documentary for his only year at LSU? If not check that out. It drips of entitlement. Ben Simmons was a Ben Simmons problem not a Sixers problem.

No doubt Simmons was a problem.

And the 6ers knew to is early on.

Yet, they chose Simmons over Butler and failed to trade him before tanking his value.

There was a time when Simmons was literally the most valuable trade asset in the league after his rookie year, and probably 2nd year too.

Are you telling me the 6ers didn’t have enough time to see the writing on the wall before this?

 

[fightinfunbags]

No doubt Simmons was a problem.

And the 6ers knew to is early on.

Yet, they chose Simmons over Butler and failed to trade him before tanking his value.

There was a time when Simmons was literally the most valuable trade asset in the league after his rookie year, and probably 2nd year too.

Are you telling me the 6ers didn’t have enough time to see the writing on the wall before this?

Now we’re moving goal posts. I’ve already said earlier in this discussion it should have been Butler over Simmons. This discussion is about the number one seed team losing to the Hawks in 7 games, a series where Simmons took 1 4th Q shot the whole series.

 

[tlance]

Now we’re moving goal posts. I’ve already said earlier in this discussion it should have been Butler over Simmons. This discussion is about the number one seed team losing to the Hawks in 7 games, a series where Simmons took 1 4th Q shot the whole series.

No.

You have claimed in the past that Embiid and Rivers acted the way they did because they were fed up with Simmons.

So why let it get to that point? They had to know he wasn’t going to live up to his potential before anyone else did.

They could have traded him for a king’s ransom long before all this went down.

Yet another way the 6ers screwed up.