2022-2023 NBA Season Thread

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

If he can push the Nuggets to a final the narrative shifts. And everyone can please stop acting like his lack of playoff success relative to other multiple time winners isn't a factor.

He’s been as far as Embiid.

So, his perceived lack of success isn’t a factor to me.

If that was one of my hang ups, I would pick Giannis…

Which some voters likely did.

 

[The Q]

He’s been as far as Embiid.

So, his perceived lack of success isn’t a factor to me.

If that was one of my hang ups, I would pick Giannis…

Which some voters likely did.

Imo, If jokic hasn’t won the last 2 he’d have won this year going way

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Imo, If jokic hasn’t won the last 2 he’d have won this year going way

You believe he’s been that much better?

I honestly don’t.

The truth, at least in my eyes, is that it could have been either of those guys, or even Giannis, for the last 3 Seasons.

It was a complete toss up.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

He’s been as far as Embiid.

So, his perceived lack of success isn’t a factor to me.

If that was one of my hang ups, I would pick Giannis…

Which some voters likely did.

It's not him vs Embiid in that regard imo

It's him vs Russell/Chamberlain/Bird

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

It's not him vs Embiid in that regard imo

It's him vs Russell/Chamberlain/Bird

Yeah, I have to concede on that point.

 

[fightinfunbags]

He didn’t have his 2ns and 3rd best player

^^^narrative used to explain away not having homecourt in round 1

And the analytics showed he destroyed eveyone

Analytics are stats that are rigged to present a value system...often by some mathematician, not a person close to the sport. So again...that's narrative

And he did it again this year

And will also finish behind Giannis most likely. Jokic basketball is a nerd's errand. All he's done is highlight how limited these analytics are. In what world is Jokic an all-time world-class defender like some of these metrics present?

 

[fightinfunbags]

Those posted numbers? Only if you're looking at ppg. Of course, we all know the other side of the coin (defense), lol.

In a later post, I attached the spreadsheet some dude is maintaining of people making their MVP votes public. Here it is as of now:
The 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th place votes are not included for all votes but first place are. Of the 22 votes in so far:
Embiid - 15
Giannis 4
Jokic - 3

 

[fightinfunbags]

Jokic leads the NBA in

Raptor
Win Shares
Win Shares per 40
Box Plus minus
VORP
WAR

In most of those cases it's not even close.

Not even a litlte bit.

Just in PER where he just edges out Embiid.

Makes sense. All of these catch-all analytics prop up the same stats.

 

[The Q]

^^^narrative used to explain away not having homecourt in round 1

Analytics are stats that are rigged to present a value system...often by some mathematician, not a person close to the sport. So again...that's narrative

And will also finish behind Giannis most likely. Jokic basketball is a nerd's errand. All he's done is highlight how limited these analytics are. In what world is Jokic an all-time world-class defender like some of these metrics present?

No the narrative is trying to use the 6th seed to justify an inferior player winning the award

 

[fightinfunbags]

The eye test means little

You know what else means little?
Dribble handoff made shot = an assist. Essentially you get a stat for setting a screen.
Yet...
A player gets doubled in the post, he passes out of the post. Defense rotates. One more pass is made and goes to an open shooter for a made shot. The player that had the court vision to pass out of the double and start the play doesn't get any statistic out of that.

This is why stats-based arguments are innately flawed and why NBA media have to actually watch the games.

 

[fightinfunbags]

No the narrative is trying to use the 6th seed to justify an inferior player winning the award

The inferior player has just won two in a row. Why do you want to give the inferior player 3 MVPs in a row?

 

[fightinfunbags]

They were 2 years ago that’s for sure

And last year as well

 

[fightinfunbags]

It just proves narrative > reality

Jokic lapped the field this year

But because he won 2 in a row people aren’t gonna vote for him

Lap the field? bwahahahaha! His team was 7-10 in March and 5-7 when he was on the court.

 

[Shanemansj13]

The eye test says Embiid every day of the week.

Just sayin…if we are going on eye test. MJ and Bron have 8 or 9 MVP’s a piece

 

[fightinfunbags]

That's such a false narrative. What happened last year should have no impact on this year. If he deserves it this year, he should get it.

Besides, what "many" think doesn't matter if they aren't voters.

That said, it's pretty safe that he won't. That vote sampling seems pretty clear.

The only way he "deserves" it any of these years is if a person embraces a foolish consistency in adopting stats created by mathematicians like Nate Silver? How good is Nate, day of the election in 2016 he still had it 97.3% that Hillary would win the election.

 

[fightinfunbags]

If he can push the Nuggets to a final the narrative shifts. And everyone can please stop acting like his lack of playoff success relative to other multiple time winners isn't a factor.

Well, if we're being fair, Jokic has been to a WCF.
Yeah it was in the bubble
Yeah Jamal Murray had 2 50 point games and 4 40 point games to carry his fat ass
But he still made it.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Well, if we're being fair, Jokic has been to a WCF.
Yeah it was in the bubble
Yeah Jamal Murray had 2 50 point games and 4 40 point games to carry his fat ass
But he still made it.

Like I said we are taking this relative to other 3 time winners

This a world where lebron James and MJ aren't 3 time winners. The voters did so intentionally.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Not for me.

I”m not a big analyctics Gal.

I keep it simple.

Embiid is the better scorer.

Embiid is the better defender.

Embiid’s team won more games.

I’m not anti-Jokic.

He’s a monster.

Joel is just a tad better, TO ME, this season.

I would vote Embiid and I voted for Jokic earlier in the year

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I would vote Embiid and I voted for Jokic earlier in the year

5 and 7 down the stretch likely did him in

 

[DJ Fieri]

My top 3 votes:

1-Joel
2-Giannis
3-Joker

All very close.