2021 Trade Deadline

[tzill]

I never got the feeling that Canario was going to be a star player. I figured his realistic ceiling was more of a 3rd/4th OF on a decent team.

Dude has mad bat speed. Sosa-like. Hope this doesn't haunt us.

 

[stanford the manford]

How soon can Bryant get here?... love to see him open against the 'Stros. Weather is good for that left field fence

 

[stanford the manford]

Id be surprised if Flores doesn't get the bulk of starts at 3B until Longo gets back. Bryant may play a little bit there, but I think they want him in LF.

Fine with me. Dik-Dik could use a sit down

 

[tzill]

Its almost as if the Giants shouldn't have let Watson walk in the first place. At least we've strengthened the bullpen. Angels became sellers very last minute.

I dunno about that. Seems like they let him go at the right time. He's been average this year. Walks are up, strikeouts down. Still, he's a reliable vet.

 

[tzill]

We've never been favored against anyone in the post season, except in hindsight. Maybe against the Angels in '02 and look how that worked out

I wonder about that. IIRC, we were favored to beat the Turdinals in 2012, and Detroit in the WS.

 

[Hangman]

I like these moves. Didn't give up rising stars for old relics.

 

[tzill]

During the 3/5, we were actually the dog in EVERY series. Not just the playoffs in general, but EVERY FUCKING SERIES!

I don't think so. In 2012 I think we were slight favorites vs. STL and DET.

 

[stanford the manford]

I wonder about that. IIRC, we were favored to beat the Turdinals in 2012, and Detroit in the WS.

The Detroit Tigers are favored to win the World Series against the San Francisco Giants according to online sportsbook Bovada. The Tigers are -180 favorites to win the series compared to +160 odds for the Giants. This means to win $100 betting on the Tigers you would need to place a bet of $180; meanwhile, if you bet $100 on the Giants and they won the World Series, your bet would pay $160.

Pretty much all booking agencies were the same for the WS. You are right about the Cardinals

 

[tzill]

The Detroit Tigers are favored to win the World Series against the San Francisco Giants according to online sportsbook Bovada. The Tigers are -180 favorites to win the series compared to +160 odds for the Giants. This means to win $100 betting on the Tigers you would need to place a bet of $180; meanwhile, if you bet $100 on the Giants and they won the World Series, your bet would pay $160.

Pretty much all booking agencies were the same for the WS. You are right about the Cardinals

I sit corrected!

thank you.

 

[calsnowskier]

Id be surprised if Flores doesn't get the bulk of starts at 3B until Longo gets back. Bryant may play a little bit there, but I think they want him in LF.

If Longo isn’t around, I can’t imagine they will prioritize Flores over Bryant at the hot corner. I would imagine he would want to play 3B over the OF as a 3B is more marketable on the FA market anyway.

The only caveat I see here is if they really want to make sure Flores’ bat gets in the lineup. But I can see him getting enough time at 1B, 2B and 3B to not be an issue.

 

[calsnowskier]

How soon can Bryant get here?... love to see him open against the 'Stros. Weather is good for that left field fence

I don’t expect him on the roster until tomorrow. MAYBE he shows up mid game tonight in the dugout, but no way will he be ready to play until tomorrow.

 

[calsnowskier]

I wonder about that. IIRC, we were favored to beat the Turdinals in 2012, and Detroit in the WS.

Detroit was 7-0 in the AL side of the playoffs that year, iirc. And they were BIG favorites going into the series.

Again, IIRC…. Not looking it up.

 

[LHG]

Bryant makes a lot more sense if Longoria and LaStella won't be back this season or until late this season. Still seems like not the priority to put our prospects but FZ could have done worse. Never understood why Watson was so undervalued, glad to have him back but his numbers aren't as good as prior years. Hopefully, pitching back in SF will do him wonders.
The cost for Bryant, obviously, was much steeper than Watson. Canario could right himself and become a stud. Kilian could be a good back of the rotation guy. Selman is already a journeyman reliever and hasn't pitched well this year.
My initial grade for this trade deadline would be a B-. Could go up or down, obviously, depending on how performances go.

 

[calsnowskier]

The Detroit Tigers are favored to win the World Series against the San Francisco Giants according to online sportsbook Bovada. The Tigers are -180 favorites to win the series compared to +160 odds for the Giants. This means to win $100 betting on the Tigers you would need to place a bet of $180; meanwhile, if you bet $100 on the Giants and they won the World Series, your bet would pay $160.

Pretty much all booking agencies were the same for the WS. You are right about the Cardinals

So we were the dogs in 9 of 10 rounds.

Still amazing that we won THRE WORLD SERIES TITLES in that climate…

 

[Stokes1931]

I don’t know man, the thought of facing Bauer in the playoffs makes my head hurt…

Well, then root for the Pasadena PD to keep "investigating".

 

[LHG]

How soon can Bryant get here?... love to see him open against the 'Stros. Weather is good for that left field fence

I don’t expect him on the roster until tomorrow. MAYBE he shows up mid game tonight in the dugout, but no way will he be ready to play until tomorrow.

MLB has to officially approve before he suits up. All players have to pass physicals too.

 

[LHG]

I like these moves. Didn't give up rising stars for old relics.

 

[Stokes1931]

That is better. I always dislike seeing prospects go and Canario was one of my favorites but trouble was brewing with his production at the plate. Kilian, was one of the better looking starters in the upper minors. That feels like it may hurt more than we may initially think, but I've been known to be wrong.

I think you are right. I think the Killian trade may hurt long term, he looks like a really good pitcher.

And Luciano is younger and at this point better than Canario, so we don't lose much.

 

[LHG]

I think you are right. I think the Killian trade may hurt long term, he looks like a really good pitcher.

And Luciano is younger and at this point better than Canario, so we don't lose much.

The problem I see with losing both Kilian and Canario is it they are from two areas (starting pitching and outfield) that are a bit weaker in the farm system. I guess FZ is really excited about all the pitchers drafted this year.

 

[calsnowskier]

Bryant makes a lot more sense if Longoria and LaStella won't be back this season or until late this season. Still seems like not the priority to put our prospects but FZ could have done worse. Never understood why Watson was so undervalued, glad to have him back but his numbers aren't as good as prior years. Hopefully, pitching back in SF will do him wonders.
The cost for Bryant, obviously, was much steeper than Watson. Canario could right himself and become a stud. Kilian could be a good back of the rotation guy. Selman is already a journeyman reliever and hasn't pitched well this year.
My initial grade for this trade deadline would be a B-. Could go up or down, obviously, depending on how performances go.

I that is fair. Though I am not a huge fan of grading trades after the fact. Too often, the context of the trades get lost in those look backs.

Tommy Joseph was a huge hitting prospect when we sent him to the Phil’s for Pence. But he had to retire from catching soon after getting there due to concussions. Hard to factor that into the trade grade. Wheeler turned into a solid #2 level pitcher for 10 years while we only got a couple months of an oft-injured solid bat. But we were in a window, and Chinadoll was the clearly best bat on the market at the time. And the Giants had top flight pitching prospects falling out of our pockets with the lint that falls out when pulling out your wallet. That context gets lost.